Re: Pakistan-China forming new Strategic Alliance
Yes, I made this point already.
Re: Pakistan-China forming new Strategic Alliance
Shaukat Aziz to attend BFA conference in China next week
Hectic preparations are afoot to hold the annual event of Boao Forum for Asia (BFA) at Boao in Hainan province in a most excellent manner from April 20-22. According to the organizer of BFA, Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz, and President of Philippines Gloria Macapagal Arroyo, Chairman of the Standing Committee of the National People’s Congress of China Wu Bangguo, former leaders including Fidel V.Ramos, Bob Hawke, Sergy Terechenko are among those prominent personalities who have confirmed their participation in the prestigious forum. Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz will also deliver key note address at the Conference that has become most active and influential international economic forum in the region. The BFA is held each year in the month of April in which thousands of high profile delegates from governments, business, academia and media participate. The theme of the Annual Conference 2007 is “Asia Winning in Today’s Global Economy Innovation and Sustainable Development,”. In support of the theme the BFA will discuss topics such as major issues related to sustainable economic and social development in Asia, Asian Economic integration, energy and resources, IT, financial services and creative industry, etc. A large number of delegates at ministerial levels, as well as people from across the global that have far reaching impact on economy have also confirmed their participation in the Forum. The prominent among them included Chairman of Microsoft Corporation Bill Gates and Muhammad Yunus, Nobel Prize Laureate and Founder of Grameen Bank, Bangladesh.
Re: Pakistan-China forming new Strategic Alliance
Too bad locals like Balochs and Ughyrs get squashed in all these grand strategic power plays.
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^Govt will have to calculate in the intrests of the Baloch if they expect for this project to be succesful... One attack on Gawadar and kiss the dream good bye. Its would be very easy for the Baloch militants to screw things up unless the govt talks to them and allows them more autonomy or somthing...
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And we know that the govt only cares for its own interests, so I would hope no one here invests all their life savings into Gwadar.
Re: Pakistan-China forming new Strategic Alliance
And we know that the govt only cares for its own interests, so I would hope no one here invests all their life savings into Gwadar.
Its the basis of capitalism... Self intrests eventually benefits all.
The govt cant expect to make any profit if it continues to screw over the Baloch... They would have to be incredibly stupid to ignore the Baloch militants at this point.
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Wars are not won with $$$ alone if that was the case amreeka would not have run with its tail between its legs from VN and NK..... Its a matter of time before amreeka runs from eyraq with a spin...
the problem is abdali that once america leaves, the problem of iraq will be inherited by the islamic world
just like pakistan and the islamic world inherited the problem of afghanistan after the soveits left
so don't gloat over something which in the long run will have bad reprecussions for the islamic world
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A very interesting analysis. Musharraf made a significant policy speech the other day about breaking with the US alliance, if they did not appreciate our efforts. This coming after China has pledged to pump a further $12 billion investment into Pakistan, on top of the billions it has already invested.
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Yesterday in Dr Shahid Masood's merey mutabiq, he was discussing an article in christian science monitor, which says that Pakistan may be crushed in figfht between china and USA's fight on overtaking the world's energy reservoirs.
Re: Pakistan-China forming new Strategic Alliance
the problem is abdali that once america leaves, the problem of iraq will be inherited by the islamic world
just like pakistan and the islamic world inherited the problem of afghanistan after the soveits left
so don't gloat over something which in the long run will have bad reprecussions for the islamic world
You mean when amreeka was foaming at mouth w.r.t. NoKo and Vietnam domino effect. Well we all know what happened. Afghanistan was always wild and Eyraq was always secular under saddy... Now the question is what spin will amreeka spin when it runs from Eyraq.
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Pakistan must join the hands of Chinese in order to ease the pain of enemy.
Re: Pakistan-China forming new Strategic Alliance
You mean when amreeka was foaming at mouth w.r.t. NoKo and Vietnam domino effect. Well we all know what happened. Afghanistan was always wild and Eyraq was always secular under saddy... Now the question is what spin will amreeka spin when it runs from Eyraq.
Abay, who cares about the Spin when America leaves Iraq.
The problem is there is no organized government that is going to take over Iraq once USA leaves unlike in Vietnam when the communists took over.
That will cause Iran, Turkey, Arab world to get involved in a major confrontation to control the threat of Iraqi Insurgents, Shia Death Squads and Kurdish Militias.
Re: Pakistan-China forming new Strategic Alliance
Abay, who cares about the Spin when America leaves Iraq.
The problem is there is no organized government that is going to take over Iraq once USA leaves unlike in Vietnam when the communists took over.
That will cause Iran, Turkey, Arab world to get involved in a major confrontation to control the threat of Iraqi Insurgents, Shia Death Squads and Kurdish Militias.
Abay, why are you diverting from the discussion at hand. The ground reality is that amreeka is gona run with tail tucked between the legs and $13T shoved in its behind, old habbits die hard ..EH.. Now the question is what spin will it give, any idea? take your best shot...
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How I see this Pakistan-China working out:
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New Developments in Pakistan-China Relations
Tanvir Ahmad Khan
In mid-1960s, Pakistan, a member of Western alliances in Middle East and Southeast Asia, defied considerable American pressure to seek a strategic relationship with China. In the three decades since then, China has emerged as a world power and some of the factors that created that earlier entente have undergone material change. **And yet, after a brief period of apprehensions that there may be a downturn in bilateral ties, the top leaders of Pakistan and China are busy investing them with new strategic salience. **The process of upgrading and reorienting relations that have by and large stood the test of time was highlighted during the recent exchange of high level visits between the two countries. Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao was in Pakistan in April 2005. Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf visited Beijing in February 2006 while President Hu Jintao of China was in Islamabad in November 2006. The extended visit of Pakistani Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz to China in April this year is part of the same endeavor to re-define and deepen relations. In 2005, China was instrumental in Pakistan getting the status of an observer at the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and more recently, Pakistan played a key role in China attaining a similar status with the South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation. Pakistan’s realignment with the United States in the wake of the 9/11 attacks was often seen as a tipping point where other linkages might get relegated to a secondary order.
China’s burgeoning trade with India and its increasing awareness of a global role were similarly cited as reasons for a diminished interest in Pakistan. Neither of these scenarios came to pass. Instead, a new profile of a bilateral alliance has emerged and at its heart lies the promise of Pakistan as a conduit of energy and strategic commodities for China by virtue of its geographical location. A potentially dramatic factor in the emerging scene is the new Pakistani deep-sea port of Gwadar in which the Chinese invested $200 million. The promise is not without some peril. In fact, some observers are already talking about a new Great Game centered on this port. It is not difficult to prophesy that the next two decades would witness considerable turbulence as the United States comes to terms only reluctantly with pressures for a multipolar world. Cooperation, competition and even conflict are likely to delineate this tangled process in which the control of energy resources will be a major determinant. In promoting itself as an energy corridor to China in particular and South and East Asia in general, Pakistan may be claiming a degree of sovereign decision-making that in the judgment of many analysts can become a potential irritant in Pakistan-US relations. Washington is not indifferent to Pakistan’s looming energy crisis or, for that matter, its economic growth. But it favors solutions that remain subordinate to its global agenda. It opposes the eminently feasible Iran-Pakistan-India gas pipeline that offers the additional advantage of giving India and Pakistan a joint stake in regional peace. It is, however, willing to help promote a gas pipeline to South Asia from Turkmenistan and a hydroelectric power grid from Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan to Pakistan, projects which are today vulnerable to instability in Afghanistan and even Turkmenistan’s ability to supply gas in quantity after its recent agreements with the Russian Federation.
President Musharraf’s wholehearted commitment to the US-led war on terror and his frequent claims that the alliance he has forged with Washington this time is for the long haul do not enjoy universal support in Pakistan. A sizable section of informed opinion has little faith in the reliability of relations with Washington beyond the exigency of the present conflict in Afghanistan that depends heavily on assistance from Pakistan. Already, the strong differentiation made by the United States between Pakistan and India on the question of sophisticated American participation in peaceful nuclear energy programs has become an argument for enhancing relations with Beijing. China is the only country in the world that has helped Pakistan set up a nuclear power reactor and may be open to Pakistani requests for more reactors. It is also seen as the friend that has made a visible contribution to Pakistan’s capacity building in several civil and defense-related sectors. More than twenty agreements in public and private sectors have been signed during Shaukat Aziz’s latest visit to China. There was a clear security symbolism in many of his engagements outside Beijing. There are formidable problems in creating an all-weather corridor from Gwadar to Xinjiang through Pakistan’s majestic mountain ranges but, if successful, the project will hugely reduce the distance and expense, making China a very serious player in a region that the United States traditionally dominates. Pakistan is the geopolitical hub for bringing China, the Gulf including Iran and Africa into a thriving economic interaction. Shaukat Aziz’s current visit to China shows that his hosts are willing to make the enterprise worthwhile for Pakistan by further diversifying cooperation. China is ready to make a large investment in Pakistan’s chronically weak manufacturing sector. It is also the only worthwhile partner of Pakistan in defense technology and production.
The great fluctuations in Pakistan-US relations ranging from close collaboration in the Cold War to harsh American sanctions from time to time — sanctions that hurt Pakistan deeply — have in the past been largely caused by unilateral American perceptions of the need for maintaining an alliance with Pakistan. Against this checkered backdrop, Pakistani diplomacy faces the challenge of persuading the United States that Pakistan needs to supplement an enduring alliance with it with a robust regional role in cooperation with China and perhaps in the years ahead also with India.
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7§ion=0&article=95216&d=20&m=4&y=2007