So; Pakistan is amongst select few which boasts nuclear status but how does it benefit a common man living in the country - our rulers have failed us on almost every front:
HDI - Human Development Index of countries surrounded by Pakistan:
These rankings are from 2015 and after 8 years of glorious “jamhooriyat” - why is that whenever we were ruled with iron fist (Ayub, Musharraf etc.,) our Economic Indicators were much better than our Democratic leaders - is it a failure of Democracy in Pakistan or Democrachy (Democratic Veil with Monarch Soul)?
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If the military has directly ruled over Pakistan for half of its existence and indirectly for a few decades, why 100% blame for the problems we face fall on politicians? Why should military not accept at least half of the blame?
Re: Pakistan - Being Failed (Over & Over) by "Rulers"
If the military has directly ruled over Pakistan for half of its existence and indirectly for a few decades, why 100% blame for the problems we face fall on politicians? Why should military not accept at least half of the blame?
Exactly Wat I say. They r running our foreign policy n getting credit wen ever there is a chance thank u Raheel Shareef but all failures r to civilians account who never had real power to do someting. Make them responsible officially
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Economy better in military regimes...this the best joke i ever heard...here what happened and ended military regimes in Pakistan:
1) Ayoub Khan + Yehya Khan almost 12 years
Result East Pakistan became Bangladesh
2) Zia Ul Haq almost 11 years
Destroyed the social fabric of society, violence, introducing corruption in politics, extremism and Pakistan loosing Siachen
3) Musharaf almost 9 years
Destroyed every Institute, introduced terrorism of highest caliber, corruption at its peak, Balochistan, Sindh, KPK had blood bath, Sugar Hoarding/crisis, Flour hoarding/crisis, Electricity shortages, with 12 hours minimum loadshedding in cities like Lahore.
This is what happened during three Marshall laws in Pakistan
Why economy looked fairly better, because huge inflow of funds due to Afghan war in last two cases...
Why economy looks dismal during political governments, because they took over Bacha Kucha Pakistan and rebuild it...and have ti take country out of multiple crisis in which existence of country tops everything...
Once things settles, Army gets an ich to get back in power or have a say in govt...
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Exactly Wat I say. They r running our foreign policy n getting credit wen ever there is a chance thank u Raheel Shareef but all failures r to civilians account who never had real power to do someting. Make them responsible officially
So is that what we are saying that all failures of Pakistan are due to Military and Pakistan is on the path to progress since 2008 - Correct?
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Exactly. How can military be forgiven for creating vile oligrachic group like PMLN which has ruined the political landscape of Punjab and allowing them to do record corruption in 80s?
It is the Army that originally introduced the concept bringing selfish businessmen into politics so they can buy people and insituations.
The illegitimate children of Zia: MQM, PMLN and Taliban are still amongst us. How can military be forgiven for imposing such curse on Pakistan?
Can Pakistan military really give back 30 years of Pakistani nation that likes of Taliban, MQM and PMLN had destroyed?
No military should not be forgiven as long as their illegitimate children are there to remind us of their legacy.
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So is that what we are saying that all failures of Pakistan are due to Military and Pakistan is on the path to progress since 2008 - Correct?
So when we talk about Foreign Policy are we talking about appointing Ambassadors and role of our Foreign Ministers Shah Mahmood Qureshi in PPP and Nawaz Sharif in current regime are toeing the line of Kayani and Raheel Sharif now?
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So when we talk about Foreign Policy are we talking about appointing Ambassadors and role of our Foreign Ministers Shah Mahmood Qureshi in PPP and Nawaz Sharif in current regime are toeing the line of Kayani and Raheel Sharif now?
Ministers and Ambassadors dare not deviate from directions received from GHQ in Rawalpindi.
Re: Pakistan - Being Failed (Over & Over) by "Rulers"
If the military has directly ruled over Pakistan for half of its existence and indirectly for a few decades, why 100% blame for the problems we face fall on politicians? Why should military not accept at least half of the blame?
That makes sense if micro and macro economic indicators had a stop watch aligned with terms of the rulers. There are several things that we have to look at:
Have we built any dams started in Ayub's era (Pak is agri based economy although we still import a lot of agri products)
Have we built or spent on infrastructure (energy, health, education) in political regimes of BB, Nawaz, BB, Nawaz, Gillani, Raja Ashraf, Nawaz?
How much is spent on things that are not related to Foreign Policy; internal security (Police and Civilian institutions), education, health, energy in last 8 years as compared to trophy projects?
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So based on above discussion we are in a catch 22:
Military has done wrong and this gives politicians a clean chit to fail and yet get selected again and again.
This gives birth to another question:
If Military has so much might in everything then that means they will twist the electoral process as well; which must have brought PPP in 2008 and PMLN in 2013 into power - Correct?
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.....If Military has so much might in everything then that means they will twist the electoral process as well; which must have brought PPP in 2008 and PMLN in 2013 into power - Correct?
Re: Pakistan - Being Failed (Over & Over) by "Rulers"
Exactly. How can military be forgiven for creating vile oligrachic group like PMLN which has ruined the political landscape of Punjab and allowing them to do record corruption in 80s?
It is the Army that originally introduced the concept bringing selfish businessmen into politics so they can buy people and insituations.
The illegitimate children of Zia: MQM, PMLN and Taliban are still amongst us. How can military be forgiven for imposing such curse on Pakistan?
Can Pakistan military really give back 30 years of Pakistani nation that likes of Taliban, MQM and PMLN had destroyed?
No military should not be forgiven as long as their illegitimate children are there to remind us of their legacy.
That is 100% truth.
Zia has done what no anti Pak could have achieved in his stint of rule.
My dad was in UN at that time when Zia took over and his (my dad's words in 1978) words were ' Now the genie is out of the bottle; and it's (Pakistan) downward slide has begun....."
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Correct.
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A lot of people do know this but don't know why they get little shy in admitting that PMLN is brought into power wrongfully and it's not rightfully elected.
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So is that what we are saying that all failures of Pakistan are due to Military and Pakistan is on the path to progress since 2008 - Correct?
The political govt is working hardly to safeguard their existence rather than on real issues .
From 2008 ppl saw performance of ppp z n they threw them away. Pti ca me in to real existence . This first step towards real democracy. System will keep filtering bad from good as long as it will continue to run. Don't consider it a straight line graph. It is exponential. Initially effort will be too high compare to gain but later on will improve quickly.
BTW in response to another post just want to say that even the legitimate child of establishment are also a curse to pakistan.
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:)
A lot of people do know this but don't know why they get little shy in admitting that PMLN is brought into power wrongfully and it's not rightfully elected.
Which also means that failures of PMLN government can also be attributed to our establishment.