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*Originally posted by RajputFury: *
Your a joke. Why don't you call yourself Afghani from now on? Like I have said all along your a liability to any country..watan faroosh :)
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Why don't you just call yourself a Rajput and create a Rajputistan? Don't ask silly questions, you all know well that army and lotas are ruling in Pakistan.
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*Originally posted by Imdad Ali: *
Pakistani government does not represent the people of entire pakistan. They only represent north pakistan, the army belt of punjab and nwfp and some loyalist sardars and waderas from rest of the country. Unless this changes, Pakistan should be thrown out of all international organizations.
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You do not represent Pakistan (thank God). I never knew Benazir Bhutto was a Punjabi/Pakhtun? Remember the Nas. Babar treatment of Karachi? ;)
Good to know that you hate Punjabis, Pakhtuns, the Army of Pakistan. Although I do share your hatred of the feuduals.. Kinda funny how South Punjab, Sindh & Baluchistan are under the sway of feudals and also considered "oppressed " by you. Connect the dots, playa.
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*Originally posted by RajputFury: *
^ Definately on target. BB is no doubt a traitor to Pakistan. This corrupt power whore will do anything to get herself back in power. She has never cared for Pakistan and the Pakistani people. Those members of PPP asking for Pakistan to not be admitted to the Commonwealth deserve to be executed as traitors. Not that I give a rats @$$ about the commonwealth.
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I don't like BB either. But kindly delete the word that you used.
cmon guyz no doubt budnazar is a bitch a curse to our nation but please give credit where its due... She took care of MQM thugs like no one else.... I'd say down with the her but two thumbs up for cleaning up Karachi...
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*Originally posted by rehman1: *
I don't like BB either. But kindly delete the word that you used.
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Which word?
Regardless of how much one disagrees with the government or its policies, it is in extremely bad taste to go to foreign countries and organizations and bad mouth your own country. Benazir is zero without Pakistan, and she lets go of no opportunity to criticize the country and cause more problems.
Good thing, the Commonwealth ignored the rants of a corrupt politician. Pakistan should make her come back and thrown her into a jail and try her for the immense corruption she and her husband committed against Pakistan and Pakistanis.
Mushy and lotas must be busy 
:bhangra: :bhangra: Must be a great achievement in their books.
This means something, i just dont know what!
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*Originally posted by Degas: *
PPP did the correct and admirable move..there have been difficult periods for democracy in Pakistan but the one now is the worst seen.. most of federal ministers are either proclaimed offenders or have registered cases for corruption against them in NAB... Chaudrys are biggest looters with billions of loans while army generals are enjoying more lucrative posts.. the way whole Punjab was made captive and saw brutal actions when Shabaz Sharif landed was some never seen before.. almost ever by election was rigged few day back.. opposition MNA's and MPA's are forced to change loyalities either by coecion or NAB's influence.. and all this is going on with Musharaf's patronage..
can anyome blaming past Prime Ministers just check list of blue eyed ruling party members for a second.. all the corrupt from different parties are bundled together.. is this the revolution in politice Musharaf was claiming..
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Is that Digas?
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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
Good thing, the Commonwealth ignored the rants of a corrupt politician. Pakistan should make her come back and thrown her into a jail and try her for the immense corruption she and her husband committed against Pakistan and Pakistanis.
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corrupt is a very relative word in pakistani politics.. its just one that is made to suffer media trial is corrupt and all those who are in power are not corrupt.. if government of day is so worried about corruption why did it let go Shabaz Sharif who had some corrution cases reistered against him....
Can u explain why Musaraf - The most corrupt person let go Nawaz Sharif who had cases registered against him against court orders after some deal .. are those in power today any way less corrupt than Benazir..
Wo will pay for all those years in jail Benazir spent without any cases during Zia's brutal regime.. Can anyome account for 7 years of Zardari in jail without any conviction.. there were scores of cases registered against him and a lot of hue and cry was made when those cases were registered but he was aquited in most of them.. Can anyone explained why no one said anythin when those cases were dropped.. I am not sayin he is honest but media trial has made him much bier offender tan most in power today and thats not true at all.. present day government is the worst lot ever held together under Musaraf..
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*Originally posted by RajputFury: *
You do not represent Pakistan (thank God). I never knew Benazir Bhutto was a Punjabi/Pakhtun? Remember the Nas. Babar treatment of Karachi? ;)
Good to know that you hate Punjabis, Pakhtuns, the Army of Pakistan. Although I do share your hatred of the feuduals.. Kinda funny how South Punjab, Sindh & Baluchistan are under the sway of feudals and also considered "oppressed " by you. Connect the dots, playa.
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I represent people of Pakistan, while you represent it's ruling elite and army. Most people on this fourm are the elite of Punjab, NWFP or Karachi, not the average people.
And who do you think supports, funds and promotes the feudals in South Punjab, Sindh and Balochistan? They are the army's best freind to control the local population against an uprising to uproot the qubza group.
From my point of view it only shows the real interset of western countries in implementing democracy in this country. They don't give two hoots what is going on in this country as long as the dictator is ready to accomplish all of their demands.
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*Originally posted by Degas: *
corrupt is a very relative word in pakistani politics.. its just one that is made to suffer media trial is corrupt and all those who are in power are not corrupt.. if government of day is so worried about corruption why did it let go Shabaz Sharif who had some corrution cases reistered against him....
Can u explain why Musaraf - The most corrupt person let go Nawaz Sharif who had cases registered against him against court orders after some deal .. are those in power today any way less corrupt than Benazir..
Wo will pay for all those years in jail Benazir spent without any cases during Zia's brutal regime.. Can anyome account for 7 years of Zardari in jail without any conviction.. there were scores of cases registered against him and a lot of hue and cry was made when those cases were registered but he was aquited in most of them.. Can anyone explained why no one said anythin when those cases were dropped.. I am not sayin he is honest but media trial has made him much bier offender tan most in power today and thats not true at all.. present day government is the worst lot ever held together under Musaraf..
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Degas, my views on Shahbaz Sharif are well-known. I strongly support the view that anyone who is charged with corruption should be tried in the courts of law. The allegations be fully investigated and if the courts agree the person should be thrown in jail. Allowing influential political personalities to live luxuriously abroad, be it Sharif family or Benazir is nonsensical. The only reason these politicians are allowed/encouraged to stay out of Pakistan is to strengthen the power of Musharraf and it makes a mockery of all principles of democracy and justice.
Re: Musharaf... frankly I have not heard of any allegations of personal corruption. That is not to say none is happening. Like most dictators, we are not likely to hear about the real corruption till the person leaves office. If there are allegations of corruption, I support that these should be independently investigated and charges brought in a court.
The whole media trial system is neither here nor there.
Having said that, what Benazir said now and how she tries to malign Pakistan at every opportunity is despicable, IMO. Corrupt or not. She should be tried for treason i.e. harming Pakistan.
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I represent people of Pakistan, while you represent it's ruling elite and army. Most people on this fourm are the elite of Punjab, NWFP or Karachi, not the average people.
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That argument is totally rubbish. YOU are a racist pure and simple. YOU have derided Islam. YOU don't even represent one maholla of Pakistan. Imdad, you only represent yourself and exwmplify that hatred. Go ahead and challenge me? I have more than enough proof.
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And who do you think supports, funds and promotes the feudals in South Punjab, Sindh and Balochistan? They are the army's best freind to control the local population against an uprising to uproot the qubza group. **
Blame always goes to the person taking the bribes, if the army has given the bribes then your feudals have taken it...What is worse?
You like Democracy eh? Knowing how the Bhuttos have treated Karachi/Baluchistan should make you reconsider supporting BB..But then again all racists and traitors flock together.
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*Originally posted by shawaiz: *
From my point of view it only shows the real interset of western countries in implementing democracy in this country. They don't give two hoots what is going on in this country as long as the dictator is ready to accomplish all of their demands.
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Agreed! Besides who cares about the commonwealth a reminder of an eclipsed empire and its toady colonies.
the Commonwealth is a completely obsolete institution that really does nothing but remind the world of the cause of many of our current problems - British Imperialism
Well, I know some people who went on Commonwealth scholarships from Pakistan, they were deserving candidates, but couldnt afford higher studies abroad. The expenses of the institutions they attended abroad was very high. There are some advantages to the commonwealth which some people fail to see.
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*Originally posted by Fraudz: *
whats next PPP is goint to ask US to bomb Pakistan.
seems like some people's loyalties are more with their own power than with the country.
I have never ever seen the opposition in Uk or US go to another country or organization and speak against the country.
this will be equal to kerry going to the UN and askign them to oppose US position.
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The very base of cancellation of commonwealth membership was army dictaorship was imposed on Pakistan.. how can arguing that democracy is not been implemented be termed as speaking against country? .. on the contary supporting dictatorship can be termed as supporting elements against ones country..
All those who struggled against dictaorships of Zia and Musharaf were termed working against Pakistan.. is that true!!! today democarcy is Pakistan is held slave by Musharaf.. how loyalities are been changed with force.. elections are openly rigged and opposition memebers subjected to inhumane tactics.. one party rule with all corrupt elements is being forced upon Pakistan..
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*Originally posted by Faisal: *
Re: Musharaf... frankly I have not heard of any allegations of personal corruption. That is not to say none is happening. Like most dictators, we are not likely to hear about the real corruption till the person leaves office. If there are allegations of corruption, I support that these should be independently investigated and charges brought in a court.
Corrupt or not. She should be tried for treason i.e. harming Pakistan.
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Did u heard of any corruption when Ojri Camp was blown and many killed in Islamabad.. was anyone charged? how many army personnel are charged..
Just look at the great team of Musharaf and u will see where corruption is.. removing Nawaz and taking all his close elements like Chaudhrys etc is enough that same corrupt people are ruling today..
and how Benazir has harmed Pakistan? she just stated rightly that democracy is not been implemented in Pakistan.. crack down on opposition by police in every by election and the way loyalities are being changed is enough proof.. how can any concious Pakistani say that democracy is running fine under Musharaf and his great team.. saying that should be termed as treason against Pakistan!
Degas ... she can have whatever views about Pakistan... its her views, she is free to have them. I am all for freedom of expression.... but (and there is always a but) ... she should say these things to people of Pakistan. These are our internal matters. When she sends out letters to foreign governments/organizations bad mouthing Pakistan, infact she is bad-mouthing Pakistan. Period.
Tell me when Sonia Gandhi was the leader of opposition did she sent letters to foreign leaders highlighting corruption in BJP government or when Kerry sends letters to UN asking them to condemn US government? This is just not done. Benazir is a leader of a big political party. She should know better. There is a right way of doing things and there is a wrong way of doing things. Benazir, by her actions has a knack of doing the wrong things.