Pakistan average economic growth under different head of states:

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The kan(kawa) Crow still remain white Saeem Bhai!
They never see a black kan lol

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Yea tou hay, waisay Politician ka kawa white hee hota hay ... especially if politicians are thugs of PPP and PMLN.... and their chailay chamchay also believe on white 'Kawa':)

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If we exclude military aid and look at economic aid from USA, then it is very interesting comparison. For instance

Sixty years of US aid to Pakistan: Get the data | Global development | theguardian.com

[TABLE]

Period
Number
of years
Economic aid
(Total)
Economic aid
Average per yr
Rank …
Aid received

$ (millions)
$ (millions)

Pre-Ayub
11
$ 4830.04
$ 439
6[SUP]th[/SUP]

Ayub
11
$ 16673.36
$ 1515.76
1[SUP]st[/SUP]

Yahya
2
$ 1442.57
$ 721.28
3[SUP]rd[/SUP]

Bhutto
6
$ 3367.79
$ 562.28
4[SUP]th[/SUP]

Zia
11
$ 4747.28
$ 431.57
7[SUP]th[/SUP]

Thugs (NS and BB)
11
$ 1668.69
$ 141.7
8[SUP]th[/SUP]

Musharraf
8
$ 3863.6
$ 482.95
5[SUP]th[/SUP]

10 Numbery (Zar-chor)
3
(1[SUP]st[/SUP] 3 yrs)
$ 3835.26
$ 1278.42
2[SUP]nd[/SUP]

Total until 2010

$ 40428.59

Ranking on basis of highest economic aid received per year:

1[SUP]st[/SUP] Military: … Ayub
2[SUP]nd[/SUP] Democrazy: … Zardari
3[SUP]rd[/SUP] Military: … Yahya
4[SUP]th[/SUP] Democrazy: … Bhutto
5[SUP]th[/SUP] Military: … Musharraf
6[SUP]th[/SUP] Democrazy: … Pre-Ayub
7[SUP]th[/SUP] Military: … Zia
8[SUP]th[/SUP] Democrazy: … Thugs

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No you are wrong again. Read the article again and see the graph. They are different and I rightly added them. Rest of your post is as usual proving lie as truth.

Since you have agreed to my figures, even you add according to your concted formula, proportionately the figures will remain the same.

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Do you ever understand what he and I am talking about? He is generating his own theories to prove dictatorship is great for Pakistan, where as I have proved that even funds flows to the dictatorships, it is a key to disaster for the country like Pakistan. Pakistan faced one disaster in 1971. Second disaster when mardood Zia created Jehadism, ethnic, secterial politics and third disaster when Mush behaved double agent patronizing both jehadism (creating MMA) and ethinic politics (patronizing MQM killers)to further leading the country into a deep sh!t. He handed over number of Pakistanis to get dollars, nurtured OBL in military garrison for many years, telling lies to the world that he was killed in caves of Tora Bora and involved in war of terror to get more dollars.

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The "Thugs" period which shows very low growth was because of the circus between Nawaz Shiri and Bibi otherwise, Zardari era shows decent growth. So all is not bad then?

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I know that you have no idea what writer (Wern Elahi) is talking about in Guardian neither have any idea what the data given in the article is all about. Seems you are confuse and have no clue. :)

Anyhow, one thing you should know is that, whatever figures I quoted, they are government official figures. For aid to Pakistan, I quoted figures from American official source (FAS). For GDP growth, I quoted figures from Pakistan official source (PBS).

Just to please you (though it was not necessary or needed), I quoted Jang Newspaper (The news), and verified the figures given in Jang as same what American source (FAS) I quoted gives.

You gave reference of Guardian (article by Wern Elahi) misunderstanding the figures given there. I clarified it, showing that figures given in Guardian’s article are most or less same as what is given by American official source (FAS).

Now, you do not want to agree. So, if nothing can make you agree, than at least give me any official source (American government) where it clearly gives figures of aid to Pakistan during different years, what you want all to believe?

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Not really. Figures quoted shows rate of growth in Pakistan dollars GDP per capita income. But growth in dollar income is not criteria of evaluating a country's per capita income growth. It is real growth rate in GDP per capita income at constant price ... and for Pakistan it would be in rupees at constant price.

Unfortunately, Zardari period had lowest GDP as well as lowest GDP per capita income growth.

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If you don't believe the dollar GDP truly reflects reality then why even post/discuss it, why don't you post in "rupees at constant price"?

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ANY ACCOUNT OF GHOST MONEY

Money given by CIA to we know them but we don't know

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No, you don't have any idea except beating about the bush. Those figures are not same and you know you are wrong. You don't like democracy it is your prerogative but don't put false theories to show dictatorship in Pakistan is the best which had actually proved bad omen for Pakistan. Pakistan is still suffering for f/ups of military rulers with no accountability.

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Kana Dajjal received this money which has not been accounted for in any authorized aid program.

Operation Cyclone

The first six-year assistance package (1981–87) amounted to US$3.2 billion, equally divided between economic assistance and military sales. The U.S. also sold 40 F-16 aircraft to Pakistan during 1983–87 at a cost of $1.2 billion outside the assistance package. The second six-year assistance package (1987–93) amounted to $4.2 billion. Out of this, $2.28 billion were allocated for economic assistance in the form of grants or loan that carried the interest rate of 2–3 per cent. The rest of the allocation ($1.74 billion) was in the form of credit for military purchases.[18] Sale of non-U.S. arms to Pakistan for destination to Afghanistan was facilitated by Israel.[24] Somewhere between $3–$20 billion in U.S. funds were funneled into the country to train and equip Afghan resistance groups with weapons,[citation needed] including Stinger man-portable air-defense systems.

The program funding was increased yearly due to lobbying by prominent U.S. politicians and government officials, such as Charles Wilson, Gordon Humphrey, Fred Ikle, and William Casey. Under the Reagan administration, U.S. support for the Afghan mujahideen evolved into a centerpiece of U.S. foreign policy, called the Reagan Doctrine, in which the U.S. provided military and other support to anti-communist resistance movements in Afghanistan, Angola, Nicaragua, and elsewhere.

The mujahideen benefited from expanded foreign military support from the United States, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan and other Muslim nations. Saudi Arabia in particular agreed to match dollar for dollar the money the CIA was sending to the Mujahideen. When Saudi payments were late, Wilson and Avrakotos would fly to Saudi Arabia to persuade the monarchy to fulfill its commitments.[25]

Levels of support to the various Afghan factions varied. The ISI tended to favor vigorous Islamists like Gulbuddin Hekmatyar of Hezb-i-Islami, and Jalaluddin Haqqani. Some Americans agreed.[25][26] However others favored the relative moderates like Ahmed Shah Massoud. These included two Heritage Foundation foreign policy analysts, Michael Johns and James A. Phillips, both of whom championed Massoud as the Afghan resistance leader most worthy of US support under the Reagan Doctrine.[27][28][29]

Zahid Sarfraz labels Musharraf as CIA agent

Addressing a Press conference at National Press Club here on Sunday, he alleged that former President Pervez Musharraf was an agent of CIA and gave sanctuary to Osama bin Laden after taking billions of dollars and then provided information to the CIA.

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in my first post, I gave figures in growth rate only (real growth rate), as that is the figure that reflects economic growth and well being of people living in the state. Rest is just explanatory posts or back-ups. Dollar elements came in due to graph that is in dollars, and dollar GDP is important when comparing country with other countries.

For instance, for a person living in any country, what that person buys with money that person earns (receives in wages or salary) is important, and not what wage one gets, what is the value of that wage in dollars, and what is the price of the items in market.

Due to inflation, a person wage might rise in big way, but that is useless if prices around him also rises by similar amount.

Exchange rate may vary even in one day, but it does not matter to a person earning and buying in country that person is living.

But, rate his earning (salary or wage) varies (increase or decrease) with respect to price of goods (increase or decrease) at place he is living is important factor, and that is real growth or deterioration in his purchasing power, and that is to do with economy too, real growth or deterioration in economy.

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Firstly CSF is not aid. Its reimbursement for operations costs. So not aid. So don't bother including it. Its basically US operations the Pakistani army conducts on their behalf in Pakistan.

Secondly why don't you two just use world bank figures. Those are authentic and credible.

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You mean, world bank has its own data that they tabulated themselves from people on ground in Pakistan? :)

Well, World bank only monitor data and take data given to them by Pakistan bureau of Statistics (PBS). PBS gets their data from various Pakistani departments, like State Bank of Pakistan (who know everything about money supply in the country and many more), CBR (that knows people drawing and spending income in the country and value of goods and services in the country produced, etc), plus different departments and ministries, etc.

World bank takes rupee value of GDP (and many other data) from PBS, than convert those data in dollars that they quote.

Only difference is that, to convert rupee into dollars, world bank uses Atlas method for conversion (that take into account average value of exchange rate over last 3 years), while most other institutions use average value of rupee exchange rate over last one year. PBS also use average exchange rate over last one years. World bank also used to take one year average value for conversion, but they changed that sometime back.

In the end, true value of any Pakistani financial data is value that comes from PBS (Pakistan Bureau of Statistics), State bank, or Pakistani state departments (depending on what type of data is quoted), that is taken by institutions all over the world, including World Bank, ADB, IMF, etc.

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Yes that is why you aren't using their figures.

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I am using PBS data and also giving site (as reference) they have put down the figures.

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I know your Jiyala mentality of ‘May na manoo’. Only BB (BeNazir Bhutto) from within grave and BB (Bilawal Bhutto) outside grave can make you believe that you are not Zombie and can think, though without them ordering you to believe and behave, you would stay in ‘may na manoo’ mode. :slight_smile:

Anyhow, one can try… So, are you still in ‘may na mano’ mode or have read the article again to find that what I wrote is true? … That is:

If you have not found your mistake and corrected yourself, than read the article again. Same article you quoted:

Sixty years of US aid to Pakistan: Get the data | Global development | theguardian.com

At the bottom of the article you will see:

Check the table.
You will see that total Economic aid Pakistan got in 1962 was $2334.65 mn.

(You can check the figures on graph, by moving cursor on blue line checking date and total aid received in 1962).

But then, data also show separately economic assistance through USAID ~ $1.45 bn. It only means that economic aid through USAID is part of total economic aid.

Same with Military aid: Date shows that total military aid Pakistan got in 2010 was $2524.61 mn. Data further shows that in 2010, Pakistan got $1220.5 mn as coalition support fund (CSF).

(You can check the figures from graph, by moving cursor on Yellow line for Total military aid, and on green line for military aid that was given as CSF).

You added both Total military aid and CSF, and tried to claim that military aid Pakistan got in 2010 was:
2010 (military aid) = $2524.1 mn + $1220.4 mn = $3744.5 mm

Actually, for every year you added total military aid and CSF to get military aid Pakistan got for that year.

You disputed me because I wrote that total military aid mentioned in table includes CSF … that means, Pakistan got $2524.1 mn as Total military aid in 2010 … and $1220.4 mn CSF is part of $2524.1 mn aid.

But you can see that highlights clearly mentions that Pakistan only got $2524.1 mn military aid in 2010 (as mentioned in table as total military aid) and that includes CSF.

Now, if you could not correct your simple mistake and stay adamant than I know only Bilawal Zardari can order you to correct yourself. :slight_smile:

But then, PPP having Joy-alas misunderstanding figures and PMLN having Iam-Dollar bankrupting the economy, no wonder Pakistan economy is where it is. :slight_smile:

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Actual graph of economic and military aid to Pakistan from 1048 to 2010, that includes CSF (as part of military aid) and all economic aid in whatever way Pakistan received, including all aids through USAID.

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1948^_^