Pakistan Army worried about collaborators in rank

What options has Pak Army got now, removal of these people might force them to join taleban ranks completely and if they are imprisoned that could also cause dissent in rank and file.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/pakistani-military-worried-about-collaborators-in-its-ranks-officials-say/2011/05/27/AGgN1oCH_story.html
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Pakistan’s top military officials are worried about militant collaborators in their ranks**

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan — **Embarrassed by the Osama bin Laden raid and by a series of insurgent attacks on high-security sites, top Pakistani military officials are increasingly concerned that their ranks are penetrated by Islamists who are aiding militants in a campaign against the state.

Those worries have grown especially acute since the killing of bin Laden less than a mile from a prestigious military academy. This week’s naval base infiltration by heavily armed insurgents in Karachi — an attack widely believed to have required inside help — has only deepened fears, military officials said.**

Pakistan’s army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Kayani, who like the civilian government has publicly expressed anger over the secret U.S. raid, was so shaken by the discovery of bin Laden that he told U.S. officials in a recent meeting that his first priority was “bringing our house in order,” according to a senior Pakistani intelligence official, citing personal conversations with Kayani.

“We are under attack, and the attackers are getting highly confidential information about their targets,” said the official, who, like others, would speak only on the condition of anonymity to discuss a sensitive matter.
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Pakistan’s top military brass claimed to have purged the ranks of Islamists shortly after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Since then, the nation’s top officials have made repeated public assurances that the armed forces are committed to the fight against extremists and that Pakistan’s extensive nuclear arsenal is in safe hands.**
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But U.S. officials have remained unconvinced, and they have repeatedly pressed for a more rigorous campaign by Pakistan to remove elements of the military and intelligence services that are believed to cooperate with militant groups.**

U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, on a previously unannounced visit to Islamabad on Friday, emphasized U.S. demands for greater cooperation in the war against al-Qaeda, the Taliban and other violent Islamist organizations that have taken root in Pakistan. Standing beside Adm. Mike Mullen, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Clinton said the United States would be looking “to the government of Pakistan to take decisive steps in the days ahead.”

**It is unclear how authentically committed Kayani and other top military leaders are to cleansing their ranks. U.S. officials and Pakistani analysts say support by the nation’s top military spy agency for insurgent groups, particularly those that attack in India and Afghanistan, is de facto security policy in Pakistan, not a matter of a few rogue elements.

But Kayani is under profound pressure, both from a domestic population fed up with the constant insurgent attacks and from critics in the U.S. government, who view the bin Laden hideout as the strongest evidence yet that Pakistan is playing a double game.
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U.S. officials say they have no evidence that top Pakistani military or civilian leaders knew about bin Laden’s redoubt, though they are still examining intelligence gathered during the raid. Some say they doubt Kayani or Lt. Gen. Ahmed Shuja Pasha, head of the military’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency, had direct knowledge; others find it hard to believe they did not, particularly because Kayani was head of the ISI in 2005, when bin Laden is believed to have taken refuge in Abbottabad.

“I think he was in protective custody,” one former U.S. official who worked closely on Pakistan issues said of bin Laden.

Pakistan strenuously denies that. But military officials acknowledge that members of the services have cooperated with militants. One senior military official said military courts have in recent years convicted several soldiers for roles in attacks on security installations — convictions that have not been made public. Four naval officers previously arrested on suspicion of links to militants were questioned this week in connection with the assault on the naval base in Karachi, another security official said.

The senior military official said belief in militant jihad — long glorified in the national education curriculum — is prevalent in the rank and file, making screening for it a daunting task that the military has been loath to perform.

Shadowy arm of the ISI

The ISI is believed to have an entire branch — known as the “S Wing” — devoted to relationships with militant organizations. Some analysts believe the wing operates with relative independence, whether by design or default, that gives top brass plausible deniability when cooperation between the spy service and insurgents comes to light.

U.S. officials, for example, say they do not believe Pasha or Kayani knew about Pakistani militants’ plans to attack Mumbai in 2008. But federal prosecutors have implicated the ISI in a trial underway in Chicago, where the star witness has said he was paid by the spy agency to help arrange the siege.

U.S. officials have emphasized since the bin Laden raid that billions of dollars in U.S. assistance could end if Pakistan is found to have harbored the al-Qaeda leader. Pakistani officials said that pressure has included demands that the military purge Islamists in its ranks and identify agents connected to bin Laden.

“We take the Pakistanis at their word that they’re committed to an aggressive fight against militants and to the investigations they’ve announced. But it’s way too early to say that their actions are honoring their stated commitments,” one U.S. official said.

Disdain for the U.S.

Working against any reform effort is the fervent anti-Americanism felt throughout Pakistan, including within the armed forces. Some Pakistani officials and soldiers accuse the United States of using the bin Laden raid to embarrass the nation into doing American bidding. This week, talk-show pundits condemned the navy’s security lapse at the Karachi base but also brimmed with conspiracy theories about CIA orchestration of the siege.

“Any public action on the part of the military at this point will be seen as capitulating to U.S. demands,” said Shuja Nawaz, director of the South Asia Center at the Washington-based Atlantic Council.

One Pakistani security official said the Karachi attack had prompted the military to begin a “thorough overhauling” of the armed forces. But, he asked: “if someone is helping the militants from inside the forces, why are they doing it? And the answer, to us, is their disdain for the U.S. and anger at Pakistanis cooperating with Americans.”

Special correspondents Haq Nawaz Khan in Peshawar and Shaiq Hussain in Islamabad and staff writer Greg Miller in Washington contributed to this report.

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Yaar I seriously fail to understand why you guys read american / CIA propaganda against Pakistan?

Or bother to paste them here.

WP, NYT, BBC, WikiLeaks and what not. Who gives a **** what they write?

Do you expect them to write something good about us or some real truth about them?

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And yeah because Pakistani Army is been "affected" so it is as good as Taliban... hence it is time to take Pakistan...

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This is a fact that our previous governments made the rank and file islamists and now when the policy of the previous govt changed towards taleban, that was bound to have an affect. The government and the armed forces have not done any marketing Of the war, they have just made it look like they are doing American bidding.

The attacks on ghq and Pns naval base are not ordinary attacks, the attackers knew each and every location of the base. How do you think that kind of attack could have happened without insider help, besides what is our govt doing to counter American media as this is the media which makes world public opinion?

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We the people can do something.

How about NOT reading those? OR at least not pasting their propaganda here? Would you ever expect that CNN, BBC, WP, NYT, WikiLeaks will write something in our favor against their national interests? NEVER!

How about telling Dawn, Tribune and co. that we are fed up by their sucking up to foreign interests and putting the morale of our nation down.

How about encouraging nationalistic papers such as Nation and co. The more readership they get, the more their quality will improve and it will give other puppet papers something to think about.

I humbly request to think about pasting the foreign stuff in here. For that purpose we already have many sock-puppets doing their job.

BTW, I do enjoy reading yours, hanibals, med, ehsan bhai's insightful posts about many topics on Pakistan.

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First thing is to identify those traitors. I don't think they are known people. Secondly, removing them and keeping an eye on them is a better option, because they already have joined the ranks of Pakistan's enemies.

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It’s not just propaganda, it has truth in it too. How long will people like you deny it?
Taliban and their supporters are Pakistan’s enemies and this fact can not be covered by such sweeping denials. That time is gone.

It is not just US papers, but Pakistani papers are also saying that enemies are amongst themselves. For example:

Navy officers suspect inside job in PNS Mehran

He said the attackers knew the base “inside out” and were well aware of the points where they would have “an advantage over the security forces” who would engage them.

“They are definitely some people suspected of involvement from within, but we’re still investigating exactly who was behind it,” he said.
“From a janitor to an officer at the base, everyone is a suspect at this point,” he said.

He said that previously there have been cases when clerics of local mosques at naval premises were found to be involved in ‘anti-state’ activities.


I do not think Pak forces are incompetent. It is these Taliban supporters among them who cause such attacks possible. The need is to identify these Taliban supporters.

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Why did you mention Wikileaks?

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Because it is the new tool in PSYCOP.

And btw, in propaganda war it does not matter if the material is true or false.

It is the final impact on the target that matters.

So the timing, the source, the accompanying pictures, choice of words everything is presented in a way that will promote your point of view and will demoralize your adversary.

Do you see the pattern now?

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The problem is that why did our politicians and army provide Americans with confidential information that can be used for blackmailing them? I personally think that it's good that this has exposed all of them, we already knew that but did not have any proof.

People had been saying that drones were flying through Pakistan and it had the tacit approval of the military but the government was refusing, and now all of this has been proven that means our government and military were fooling us all along in the drawing rooms they allowed Americans to do what ever they wanted to but publicly they were taking a different stand. This is much to blame with the current mess we are in. Think positively these leaks may make the same people to behave a little bit differently in the future.

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If we look at them from this point of view, then yes I totally agree with you. Next time they will think twice!

These leaks are very very selective and are aimed at destroying relationship with friendly govts, for example the "leaks" about what Saudis think of Pakistan (from US point of view, these are their cables) and so on and on.

Generally, WikiLeaks would not leak some cables that would have any negative impact on Israel and other western allies of USA. There is a lot of informal stuff going on with interactions of diplomats with host govt. But that is not supposed to be made public, this is simply a violation of diplomatic norms.

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^ the selective nature of leaks I agree with you, but the way the generals and politicians have been chatting (regarding purely internal matters) with the American ambassador is alarming

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^^ Definitely. As wrote before, from that point of view for us the "Awam" it is a good thing to see their ugly faces exposed by their own masters.

But I would stop at that. Anything "leaked" by PSYCOP should be taken with a pinch of salt...

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But it is the TRUTH.

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http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/30/journalist-saleem-shahzad-goes-missing.html

Journalist Saleem Shahzad goes missing

ISLAMABAD: Syed Saleem Shahzad, the Pakistan bureau chief of Asia Times Online, went missing Sunday evening, DawnNews reported.

**Days before his disappearance, Shahzad had authored an article that alleged links between navy officials and al Qaeda.

Ali Imran, a Coordinator at the South Asia Free Media Association (Safma) in an email stated that Mr Shahbaz had left his house in Islamabad to participate in a television program but that he did not reach the TV station.**

He did not contact his family and friends either, Mr Imran said, adding that Mr Shahzad’s mobile phone and car had not been traced yet.

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Well, maybe it is time for Pakistan armed forces to purge these snakes from their ranks.
And it is good to see that our forces are rising against them:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/ME27Df06.html

These incidents pointed to more than the one al-Qaeda cell intelligence had tracked in the navy.

another crackdown was conducted and more people were arrested. Those seized had different ethnic backgrounds. One naval commando came from South Waziristan’s Mehsud tribe and was believed to have received direct instructions from Hakeemullah Mehsud, the chief of the Tehrik-e-Taliban Pakistan (Pakistan Taliban). Others were from Punjab province and Karachi, the capital of Sindh province.

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That is really dangerous, God help Pakistan. Pakistan army has really put itself between rock and hard place. If they try to purge extremists from army there could be mutiny and if they don’t stop it then we will have more attacks like GHQ/PNS.

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Former navy commander arrested in PNS Mehran attack investigation

Long road ahead for military and the nation!

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Actually very embarrassing situation for lower ranks. They have to meet common people in their normal life and same is happening with them like here on internet. Unfortunately they have no excuse.