Re: Pakistan army wants Zardari out but not a coup
As much as I and many Pakistanis hate Zardari the army has no rights to get involved in political affairs. They should quite simply keep the hell away. It's none of their concern. At the end of the day the government are elected people. So, the army has no right to wish removal of anyone.
Re: Pakistan army wants Zardari out but not a coup
As much as I and many Pakistanis hate Zardari the army has no rights to get involved in political affairs. They should quite simply keep the hell away. It's none of their concern. At the end of the day the government are elected people. So, the army has no right to wish removal of anyone.
Wishing for someone's removal is not the same as 'removing'. Armies around the world have differences with their elected govts, and convey this through various channels. I think Pak army has exercised tremendous restrained against this crap of a govt. Just look at the state the country is in right now. Govts in the past have been thrown over for a lot less. Our army is holding back, because it does not want to get involved in politics. At the same time, if the president has any part in the memo, then he is guilty of a crime for which his sacking is a small punishment.
Re: Pakistan army wants Zardari out but not a coup
Wishing for someone's removal is not the same as 'removing'. Armies around the world have differences with their elected govts, and convey this through various channels.
name a freaking country? USA? Canada? Britian. ooki forget it .. lets try with another list: India? Sri Lanka?
We are not living in ancient Rome or Mughal period where army wields such enormous powers, what is wrong is wrong.
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I think Pak army has exercised tremendous restrained against this crap of a govt. Just look at the state the country is in right now. Govts in the past have been thrown over for a lot less.
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they ****** 22 grade generals have zero worth compare to elected president even if it is like of Zardari. So called Pak Military which from the inception of Pakistan just lost wars and history of blunders should not have any balls left to tell elected officials what is wrong and what is right. They should go back to barracks and play cards. Do you have any morality left to ask for resignations of your lovely generals after OBL operation, Ghq Attach, PNS Mehran & killing of 24 soldiers?
Bloody worthless piece of shyt generals, hang them. Now please try me under article 6 for treason.
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Our army is holding back, because it does not want to get involved in politics. At the same time, if the president has any part in the memo, then he is guilty of a crime for which his sacking is a small punishment.
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Army is a institution just like countless others they don't own Pakistan. 22nd grade public servants ... haar 10 saal ka baad apna hi mulk fataah kar laite hain
Re: Pakistan army wants Zardari out but not a coup
Ye to meiN ney pehley bhi kaheiN suna hey… 
Re: Pakistan army wants Zardari out but not a coup
name a freaking country? USA? Canada? Britian. ooki forget it .. lets try with another list: India? Sri Lanka? We are not living in ancient Rome or Mughal period where army wields such enormous powers, what is wrong is wrong.
they ****** 22 grade generals have zero worth compare to elected president even if it is like of Zardari. So called Pak Military which from the inception of Pakistan just lost wars and history of blunders should not have any balls left to tell elected officials what is wrong and what is right. They should go back to barracks and play cards. Do you have any morality left to ask for resignations of your lovely generals after OBL operation, Ghq Attach, PNS Mehran & killing of 24 soldiers?
Bloody worthless piece of shyt generals, hang them. Now please try me under article 6 for treason.
Army is a institution just like countless others they don't own Pakistan. 22nd grade public servants ... haar 10 saal ka baad apna hi mulk fataah kar laite hain
Our holier than thou grade 0 politicians can gladly take their retarded governance somewhere in the middle of the sea. The memo scandal is a valid issue, and zardari needs to answer clearly. If he did indeed orchestrate the memo against the army, then are you saying that the army has no right to defend itself? The army is going through the courts. I dont see any talk of a coup.
And the concept that a bad democracy is better than a good military rule is retarded. What people look for is good governance. Not that anyone is looking for, or expecting military rule, but bottom line is, people look for good governance, not corrupt faces day day out, who siphon off all country funds to switzerland, and them shamelessly use their wife's death to prop themselves up on the presidency. Democracy my foot.
Re: Pakistan army wants Zardari out but not a coup
Our holier than thou grade 0 politicians can gladly take their retarded governance somewhere in the middle of the sea. The memo scandal is a valid issue, and zardari needs to answer clearly. If he did indeed orchestrate the memo against the army, then are you saying that the army has no right to defend itself? The army is going through the courts. I dont see any talk of a coup. And the concept that a bad democracy is better than a good military rule is retarded. What people look for is good governance. Not that anyone is looking for, or expecting military rule, but bottom line is, people look for good governance, not corrupt faces day day out, who siphon off all country funds to switzerland, and them shamelessly use their wife's death to prop themselves up on the presidency. Democracy my foot.
how miraculously you leave the blunders part of our unholy army.
hail khusra oops i mean Kiyani and hang him with balls on constitution avenue, Amen.
so shall we end the discussion !
Re: Pakistan army wants Zardari out but not a coup
Not sure you understand what a discussion is to begin with. With language like that, you can only carry on a discussion with the likes of babar awan or whoever floats your boat. When it comes to 'blunders', you blame the army, and when it comes to success, its democracy. The type of democracy we have seen in the past 20 years or so, between PPP and PML is over now. The sharifs and zardaris can take their brand of democracy back to dubai, saudi, london, paris, or wherever else they have their standby runaway homes.
Generals anytime over scum like these.
Re: Pakistan army wants Zardari out but not a coup
Not sure you understand what a discussion is to begin with. With language like that, you can only carry on a discussion with the likes of babar awan or whoever floats your boat. When it comes to 'blunders', you blame the army, and when it comes to success, its democracy. The type of democracy we have seen in the past 20 years or so, between PPP and PML is over now. The sharifs and zardaris can take their brand of democracy back to dubai, saudi, london, paris, or wherever else they have their standby runaway homes. Generals anytime over scum like these.
You have never mentioned the massive corruption and killings the Army has always been involved in.
Your one-sided view indicates you come from an Army family.
Re: Pakistan army wants Zardari out but not a coup
Well said :k:
Re: Pakistan army wants Zardari out but not a coup
Not sure you understand what a discussion is to begin with. With language like that, you can only carry on a discussion with the likes of babar awan or whoever floats your boat. When it comes to 'blunders', you blame the army, and when it comes to success, its democracy. The type of democracy we have seen in the past 20 years or so, between PPP and PML is over now. The sharifs and zardaris can take their brand of democracy back to dubai, saudi, london, paris, or wherever else they have their standby runaway homes. Generals anytime over scum like these.
2007 was the worst year of Pakistan's short life and it was under a General.
What have the Generals done that have been good for Pakistan? Name one thing.
The Generals are as bad as the politicians if not worse. They create the monsters ie Militants and MQM
Re: Pakistan army wants Zardari out but not a coup
For whatever reasons there may be (media, world pressure, lack of support) Kiyani is the most un-interfering COAS we have had. Now imagine his position, he finds out that Zardari or Haqqani were planning to go behind his back to states for some kind of help against him? That would really made him go anyone mad, let alone him. If he wants Zardari out, then I am in favour of it.
In what sense is he un-interfering? Would you say that or would you say that the current government has no power at all in many spheres so COAS does not have to interfere?
Re: Pakistan army wants Zardari out but not a coup
They play the Sindhi card because Sindh is not as favoured as Punjab. Punjab gets more development than Sindh and most of Pakistan's power base ie the army come from Punjab. The PPP are the only party with support in all provinces.
It is also the brave Punjabis (90% of soldiers anyway) who are fighting on the frontline and dealing with Taliban nuisance and what not ... if that fact somehow passed you by!!
Re: Pakistan army wants Zardari out but not a coup
Now it seems to me that Gilani over reacted. The bone of contention is memo scandal. Government disavows the memo while Kiyani is unwilling to believe it and wants it investigated.
Re: Pakistan army wants Zardari out but not a coup
Yeah lets see if this even happens. I highly doubt Zardari is gonna be removed in the next year or so. He survived memogate he can survive anything. Plus the smart move would be to let them finish their term show the world and the country they have accomplished nothing and let someone else take power.
Re: Pakistan army wants Zardari out but not a coup
It is also the brave Punjabis (90% of soldiers anyway) who are fighting on the frontline and dealing with Taliban nuisance and what not ... if that fact somehow passed by you!!
I thought it was the FC?
Has Pakistan Army won any wars? You talk as if they have committed bahaduri of some sort.
Not to forget it is the higher ups in the Army who are mainly Punjabi too, who are destroying Pakistan and using their lower downs as cannon fodder as they enjoy the life of polo, golf, A/C and 4 x 4's.
Re: Pakistan army wants Zardari out but not a coup
I thought it was the FC?
Has Pakistan Army won any wars? You talk as if they have committed bahaduri of some sort.
Not to forget it is the higher ups in the Army who are mainly Punjabi too, who are destroying Pakistan and using their lower downs as cannon fodder as they enjoy the life of polo, golf, A/C and 4 x 4's.
OK let's take sports. Who is stopping Sindhis and Balochis from playing cricket and hockey for Pakistan? Or is it also the fault of a certain province?
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OK let's take sports. Who is stopping Sindhis and Balochis from playing cricket and hockey for Pakistan? Or is it also the fault of a certain province?
O.K. I think you better stick to your agenda and focus. Don't start Sindhis and Baluchis bs ethinic nonsense.........
Re: Pakistan army wants Zardari out but not a coup
Zardari's days are numbered IMO
Re: Pakistan army wants Zardari out but not a coup
OK let's take sports. Who is stopping Sindhis and Balochis from playing cricket and hockey for Pakistan? Or is it also the fault of a certain province?
To do anything in Pakistan you need contacts, sifarish as it is known. I know of a coase of a young guy from Quetta who is better than any member of the Pakistani cricket team but because he is a poor guy with no sifarish, they are not interested. You need a society built upon merits not on who I know.
Re: Pakistan army wants Zardari out but not a coup
Zardari's days are numbered IMO
Of course they are but lets hope the electoral process sorts him out not the Army. He is quite a shrewd personand a survivor. Shame he is so corrupt. He would have made a good stand to the military establishment.