Pakistan army chief says US aid should not be used by Pak military

People can deduce many things from this statement. But I think this shows Kayani’s anger and distrust on America.

It’s a good decision. As the article says, a snub to Americans.

http://www.dawn.com/2011/06/09/pakistan-army-chief-says-us-aid-should-be-diverted.html

ISLAMABAD: Pakistan’s army chief says billions of dollars in US aid meant for the military’s fight against militants should be diverted to bolster the economy and help ordinary Pakistanis.

The announcement could be seen as a snub to the US and an attempt to bolster the military’s popularity following the American raid that killed Osama bin Laden.

Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani reiterated that the army has ceased its training relationship with the US and has restricted the scope of intelligence sharing.

He also said American drone attacks are unacceptable and declined US calls for an operation in the militant-infested North Waziristan tribal area.

Kayani’s positions were outlined in an unusually detailed statement issued Thursday after a meeting with his top commanders.

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Its a desperate attempt by military to gain few points from public, otherwise US already announced long time ago for funding the 'non-military' orgs/govt.

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atleast they made an attempt!! :( ... itna critical bhi nahi hona chahiye!!

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:k: good initiative!

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I wouldn't be so critical had they been honest, but sorry I don't trust these guys anymore.

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I think it's a counter snub by army as the Americans have attached a lot of strings to the military aid and it's almost impossible for the army to get aid now. Besides they have already got 12 % increase in the national budget. Overall this is public posturing by an army which has lost respect in the eyes of the people it claims to be protecting.

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Definitely a welcoming statement but it is not enough to stop the wave of anti-army feelings among Pakistanis. Nothing can stop that now.

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This.

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what they did in past and doing right now to destroying Pak/Army immage this kind of statements from them just another try to make us fool.

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or may b an attempt by PA to raise their Operation Prices.."ok we wont do another operation for 1$bn, make it 2.", sounds more in line with their role.

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we need to give them a break, they are under severe criticism since May 2 incident of OBL... which we even don't know if it really happened as even after over a month no credible evidence has been provided by US...

If today, Army chief have said that they don't need American aid, then we need to give him chance to prove it by action and wait til he goes back to his words of anything like that...

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The army is making the fool of the nation over and over again, you can make people fool once twice, but not always. A few days back our COAS met with American Chief of staff but the meeting was hidden from the media as the chief wants to shun his image as pro American. Seriously what reasonable expectation can be made from this bunch of losers?

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We have a choice, either to shun the army or give them another chance, if we shun them, that would be because of few generals on the top... who want to ensure their retirement fund... on the other hand we can give them another chance, just like our children or siblings, if we totally dis-owe them then the chances for them to go astray are higher...

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Yet Another Chance...sounds good!!
and that will be chance number? (Ayyub martial law,65,71,siachen,kargil,zia,mush,OBL,WOT,Balochistan,swat,NWA)..
but never mind i dont see if there is anything else we can do but to give them another chance.

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we lost in 71 only... and that was not alone military's fault, yet you can blame them for everything went wrong but them there is a question??? if military has to solve everything then what and why we need the army of politicians as well... why not alone military run the show... and please do not come back with the sick remark that military is making the call...

a question for you, since military have done its part in Swat and Malakand, where are the politicians to set the things right after the operation... other than looting, dividing the nation and calling themselves victim what good politicians have done for Pakistan...

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we lost in 71 only... and that was not alone military's fault, yet you can blame them for everything went wrong but them there is a question??? if military has to solve everything then what and why we need the army of politicians as well... why not alone military run the show... and please do not come back with the sick remark that military is making the call...
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Who has brought Pakistan into the present situation? Wasent it Zia and Musharraf? For most of our history we have been ruled by 4-5 generals. The legacies of the military rulers are still being implemented! The army had achieved some good will after Malakand, but due to their double dealing they have lost it.

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a question for you, since military have done its part in Swat and Malakand, where are the politicians to set the things right after the operation... other than looting, dividing the nation and calling themselves victim what good politicians have done for Pakistan...
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I dont think any one had high hopes of "khair" from the politicians, but if the army also goes into the same league then there's no hope left...

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No doubt about he role of Mushy and zia in destroying Pakistan, but they could have not done it without the help of our politicians and parliament.. it was the parliament then who stood and supported the military brass... again it was not alone the army generals who did it, right from Ayub til mushy, yes they played a role but their results could have been different has the politicians have done/played it right....

Now for the 1st time, an onduty military dictator is denouncing us aid, yes that is something haven't happened earlier, i am saying to start believing in them straight away...just asking to give them space to prove what they have said... if what they have said is right and they are going to implement it then it is 1st step ion right direction...although a small step but still in right direction...

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May 2nd? That may have been an eye opener for large part of the population but all this time from Afghan war till May 1st it was clear to lots of people what army is doing to the country.

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Army itni baybas hogayi hay kay ‘mintoun’ pay aa gayi hay…

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304432304576369442416874836.html

Pakistani Army Pleads for Respect

By MATTHEW ROSENBERG, TOM WRIGHT And ZAHID HUSSAIN

**Pakistan’s army leadership, under mounting domestic pressure since a U.S. strike team infiltrated its soil to kill Osama bin Laden, issued a rare defensive response to domestic critics Thursday, offering to reduce its reliance on U.S. military aid and training and setting strict limits on American intelligence operations within the country.

Since the May 2 raid, army chief Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani and his inner circle have had to contend with American demands for more cooperation in the fight against Islamist militants while trying to reassure soldiers who are openly questioning the rationale for Pakistan’s tight military embrace with the U.S.

Pakistan’s opposition politicians have joined the fray, spurring public disenchantment with the military, for decades the dominant political and economic powerbroker in the country.**

**The roughly 1,000-word statement—at various points apologetic, belligerent and strident—was the clearest indication to date that in striking a balance between the competing demands, Pakistan’s military leaders are looking to first assuage their own people, even if that means scaling back ties to the U.S.

The statement also offered an indication of the crisis now gripping Pakistan’s military and the lengths its leaders are potentially willing to go to restore public respect. The statement also said the army would be willing to divert U.S. military aid to help improve the lot of ordinary Pakistanis.
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The military’s attempt to court the public faced an immediate challenge Thursday when a video emerged of paramilitary soldiers in Karachi shooting dead an unarmed teenager who was pleading for his life. It was aired nonstop by television news channels and overshadowed the military’s statement.

**Gen. Kayani in recent weeks has attempted to rally his troops, going from garrison to garrison to explain that he shares their sense of humiliation over the raid but that now is no time to jettison ties with the U.S.

“I felt betrayed by the U.S. military action as I have been involved deeply in developing strategic relations with the United States,” he told senior field officers at Islamabad’s National Defense University last month, according to people who attended the event.

After the speech, a colonel in attendance pointedly asked: “How can we trust the United States?”**

On Thursday, Gen. Kayani told senior commanders the army was responding to that sense of frustration, according to the military’s statement. He said the army had “drastically cut” the number of U.S. troops stationed in Pakistan and ended U.S. training of Pakistani soldiers.

Gen. Kayani also told commanders that U.S. military aid for Pakistan should be diverted to help the economy, signaling that he no longer sees it as essential. Pakistan said it received $8.6 billion in U.S. military assistance in the past decade through an American program meant to reimburse the country for money spent fighting militants. The figure is slightly lower than numbers provided Thursday by the Defense Department.

Gen. Kayani, however, said that only $2.6 billion of that sum went to the armed forces and the rest was spent on budget support for Pakistan’s cash-strapped government.

The Defense Department said Pakistan had requested the number of U.S. military trainers in Pakistan be reduced.** It didn’t provide numbers, but U.S. officials have previously said troops would be cut from a high of about 330 last year to slightly more than 200, and some training operations were being curtailed.**

Thursday’s statement also indicated Gen. Kayani is unlikely to heed U.S. demands for expanded cooperation in the fight against militants. He told commanders Pakistan won’t be pressured to agree to a timetable to attack North Waziristan, a Pakistani tribal area that borders Afghanistan and is home to a slew of militant groups, including one at the top of the U.S. target list, the Haqqani network.

**Gen. Kayani also told commanders that U.S. drone strikes against militants in the tribal areas “were not acceptable under any circumstances.” Pakistan has always publicly condemned the program while privately acquiesing and, at times, assisting it. Since the bin Laden raid, Gen. Kayani has faced widespread criticism among his ranks for letting the drone strikes continue.

U.S. reaction to the Pakistani statement was muted. American officials said they understood Gen. Kayani needed “breathing space” to get his own people back on his side. “The government has been in a difficult spot domestically since the bin Laden raid, and the Pakistani military is probably tying to re-establish some of the credibility it perceived it lost,” said a U.S. official in Washington.**

**Some Pakistani officers fear that anger over the bin Laden raid could make lower-ranking soldiers more amenable to Islamist influences. One group, Hizb ut-Tahrir, which has roots in the Middle East, clandestinely dropped pamphlets in military cantonments after the bin Laden raid calling for officers to establish an Islamic caliphate.

“It is a slap in the respected officers’ faces that on May 2 American helicopters intruded in the dark of night and barged into a house like thieves,” the pamphlet read. It added: “It could not have been possible without the acquiescence of your high officials.”

Military officers said it was highly unlikely the pamphlets could have been distributed without assistance from in the ranks.
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The U.S. has assiduously courted Gen. Kayani—a stand-out student in the 1980s at the U.S. Army’s Command and General Staff College in Fort Leavenworth, Kan.—since he took control of the army in 2007.

Many U.S. officials say Pakistan is supporting Afghan Taliban factions in the hope of using them to maintain influence there once the Americans leave.

Pakistanis are insulted by such talk. They point out that they have caught numerous al Qaeda members. **A third of Pakistan’s army is arrayed along the border with Afghanistan fighting local Taliban militants, a campaign in which almost 3,000 Pakistani soldiers have died. Many generals, Gen. Kayani included, say the nation is now critically exposed to attack from archrival India on its eastern flank.

In the field, soldiers say they are angry at the lack of recognition from the U.S. for their losses fighting militants.

“We are fighting for the whole world. It’s very bad it’s not recognized,” said Lt. Col. Fazal Rabbi, a helicopter pilot with the Frontier Corps.**

U.S. pressure to do more, which would inevitably mean pulling more soldiers off the border with India, has deepened Gen. Kayani’s concerns.** “The Americans,” said one senior Pakistani officer, “talk to us like they don’t give a damn if Indian soldiers can walk into Pakistan.”

In much of his dealings with his American interlocutors, Gen. Kayani chain smokes and nods but never says much, according to a former official who worked with him.
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Some U.S. officials acknowledge that the general sees the Americans as short-timers in the region. “We’re like high school kids talking about what do Friday night,” said a senior U.S. military officer. “He’s planning what he’s going to do after college.”

Gen. Kayani’s skepticism was summed up at a meeting with President Barack Obama at the White House in October.

After Mr. Obama pressed him on the need to move against Taliban sanctuaries, Gen. Kayani handed over a 13-page document outlining the distance between Washington’s short-term focus, which centers on getting out of Afghanistan, and Pakistan’s long-term challenges of living in an unstable region alongside a more populous and powerful India, say U.S. and Pakistani officials briefed on the meeting.

Write to Matthew Rosenberg at [email protected] and Tom Wright at [email protected]

Re: Pakistan army chief says US aid should not be used by Pak military

Damn right. If the civilian elected govt of Pakistan cant use the Army, why should the Americans?

Re: Pakistan army chief says US aid should not be used by Pak military

Did army ever respect civilians institutions? jab chaddi phati to darzi yaad aya