Pakistan and India.....Western Repute & Image...

For the last 5 years we have seen a huge difference in trends with which India & Pakistan are perceived in the west…

The other day one of my American friends(who has very good grasp in regards to the current affairs)asked me of what’s happening in Balochistan…To my surprise …i asked him,how do you know about it??He referred to an article in “The Boston Globe”,that had mentioned an insurgency in Pakistan…For a moment i get jittered & realised that we might be repeating the 1971 debacle…the same inquisitiveness of foreign media …the same lameness of Pakistani Government and the same cunningness of the local politicians…I hope & pray we don’t end up repeating the 1971 East Pakistan(Bangladesh)…March 1971 Times issue head covered the “crisis in East Pakistan”…March 2006’s Boston Globe also front paged the Balochistan’s misery…

Comparing the two arch rivals of Subcontinent,India is gaining some comprehensive repute…The industry/Technology is booming…It is definitely competing with China as a potential site for investment…West percieves it as save & hence visitable…Among Americans & the rest of the west …India is still at the top of the list destinations for holidays…Today you would find many people in USA who would like to go India to spend their vacations…While in comparison…For Pakistan…the first question comes :“whether if it is Safe??”…

I wonder some how our leaders know of the sane policies that need to be taken to save Pakistan & to restore it’s image…

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We have already lost the people of Balochistan. Only the land is left for now. The rulers believe their own propoganda just like they did in 71. The combination of army + feudals has been ruling Pakistan since creation, while India has some semblance of a democracy. That is reflected in the image of the two countries.

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Goli, it depends who is talking about Bharatis and in what context.

  1. Old Commies admired Bharat due to Nehruvian sho-shaw-lism (socialism).
  2. Corporate guys these days admire Bharat as it supplies Munshis (secretarties) for the big companies.
  3. Pedophiles and whorehouse visitors admire Bharat for the prostitutes of Mumbai, koklatta or many other cities.
  4. US government admires Bharat for agreeing to supply troops for "multi-national operations".
  5. Sightseers from the West admire Bharati Taj Mahal and overall humble nature.

However you mention Balochistan issue in the same breath. This is kind of unfair. Every country has it's tribals and we got ours too. While there may be a couple of places where tribals are destroying Pakistani life and property, Bharat has got at least 15 such places.

So do the comparison as much as you want. At least be fair.

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Baboo all we lost are the backward bugti shugtiz who are hell bent on taking Pakistan back to the medieval ages. Did you read the thread on pak affairs about thousands of displaced baluchis going back home, who were earlier exiled by your beloved bugtiz.

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This thread is starting to go off topic, but the article below will help some understand why the people of Balochistan feel so aggrieved.

By a retired Brig, finally an Army officer who realizes shooting all Balchis is not the solution

http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=2006\04\08\story_8-4-2006_pg3_4

*While the quantity of gas produced in Balochistan is only 30 percent of the country’s total production, its superior quality means that it accounts for nearly 70 percent of the gas-energy. Had they been paid royalty in accordance with the retail price and the calorific value it would be possible to provide gas throughout the province

*Dr Hassan Askari Rizvi’s article ‘The challenge of Balochistan’, (Daily Times, April 2, 2006), is as comprehensive an academic expose as can be. Those who choose to read my effort should therefore consider it a supplementary piece.

About two months ago I heard a senior Baloch politician saying that “we have Musharraf to thank for throwing our educated liberals to the Sardars, whom they always opposed, and ensuring that the illiterate join the Mullahs”. In view of the appalling implications of the statement I thought it the usual exaggeration our politicians are guilty of. However, it caused me considerable anxiety.

I have waited to talk to a considerably wide cross-section of our Baloch citizens before broaching the subject here. I have heard the same observation repeated again and again in different words.

Seven years of my uniformed service were spent in Balochistan — mostly in Quetta. I have travelled fairly extensively through most of the province and for two years during the 1970s was part of the counter-insurgency operations in and around Khuzdar. I was present when Zulfikar Ali Bhutto announced the end of the Sardari system while Doda Khan, the hunch-backed Sardar of the area and the most tyrannical of them all, was sitting besides him. I heard Mr Bhutto make the announcement and saw him place his hand on the mike, turn towards Doda Khan and say, “except you Doda Khan”! I was aware that the insurgency was politically orchestrated and that while a Baloch nationalist undercurrent has always existed, it has never threatened the federation — until perhaps now.

**While the government is essentially correct in stating that the trouble is being caused by three Sardars of the Bugti, Marri, and Mengal tribes, its statement is an over simplification. For the first time the Sardars have raised populist issues, winning the support of the educated youth, their traditional opponents. What is more, the sense of isolation and victimisation is increasing both horizontally and vertically i.e. both the number of people experiencing it and its intensity are increasing.
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**This is why there could be a genuine threat to the federation, which the government is either consciously playing down or failing to appreciate. Whatever the case, the fact that their sentiments are being misrepresented (or under-represented) is causing greater alienation among the Baloch.
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The sense of injustice comes primarily from the fact that over the years Balochistan has not received its rightful share of funds. It is also the most under-developed of our provinces. I have seen areas where people share water with animals — from a slime-covered pond. Indeed, because my thirst was so compelling, I have drunk that water because I could not wait for it to be boiled.

Unlike the other three provinces, where agriculture forms a major part of the economy, the bulk of the resources in Balochistan are sub-surface, though it does have some orchards. According to the constitution, all sub-surface resources belong to the centre. The Baloch contend that the constitution is not a sacred text, particularly since successive governments have amended it.

Natural gas from Sui was first taken to Sindh and Punjab. Many years later was it supplied to Quetta. It is still not available in most of Balochistan. Considering the gas is being produced in Balochistan, even if the centre owns it and pays a 12 percent royalty to the province in accordance with the constitution, the people of the province should, at least have the first right to its use. Admittedly laying pipelines to Quetta and beyond was technically challenging but the Baloch no longer accept the excuse or the observation that in view of the sparse population laying a network for interior Balochistan is uneconomical.

The Baloch complain that the 12 percent royalty they receive is calculated at the well-head price and not the consumer price. They also contend that while the quantity of gas produced in Balochistan is only 30 percent of the country’s total production, its superior quality means that it accounts for nearly 70 percent of the gas-energy. Had they been paid royalty in accordance with the retail price and the calorific value it would be possible to provide gas throughout the province.

The Baloch also cite incidents that might appear insignificant to others but which they believe reveal the arrogance of national leaders. President Pervez Musharaf, for example, sported a pistol on his hip when he visited Balochistan. I have often related the truism that “perceptions are more important than realities”.

**There is little doubt that the present government is diverting unprecedented sums of money towards the development of Balochistan, but as Dr Rizvi explained in his article, even that is considered exploitative. The Baloch feel that the bulk of development spending is on projects that benefit the centre and not the province.
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It is time to redress the Baloch grievances of economic ill usage. Any attempt at this point to convince them through argument that their perceptions are incorrect will be futile. Like Dr Rizvi, I believe that the only solution now lies in participatory development. The Baloch people have to be part of development planning and projects so that they can benefit directly from the funds being poured in and be party to the development that they wish to see. I submit that we cannot risk delaying this in the face of a rising Baloch nationalism and the threat it represents for the federation.

The author is a retired brigadier. He is also former vice president and founder of the Islamabad Policy Research Institute (IPRI)

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No, no no! Unless Kashmir issue is resolved Pakistan should ignore every other problem it has. Whi cares if the rest of the world (including your frinds Chinese) Pakistan is a dangerous country.