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How many Americans or other non Muslims have you seen doing the suicide bombing. You are asking me who these animals are, they are TTP. I don't care about Raymond Davis or anyone else, if they are behind these killings, think who actually is carrying our these evil deeds. If the Americans had a divided and rule policy in Iraq who were the ones who were getting divided, surely not the Americans. I am not here to plead the American case, i am only concerned about my own country and I am certainly not going to be blinded and stick my head in sand and ignore the reality which is that the TTP animals are committing the murder of innocent Muslims in Pakistan. Lanat hai inn janwaron per.

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Sir Tribals are innocent too first stop killing them if you think you are going to kill them and they are not going to do anything than forget any peace sir they are going kill you in return newton law says for every action their is a equal and opposite reaction

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Neither Pakistan will stop its support for America nor America will stop the Aid, funding and the relations with Pakistan. They both need each other, if not in a friendly way, but to make sure their interests are protected. I think the current issue is being raised and intensified just to help Obama win the coming election.

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Gates says Afghan war can be won without Pakistani help.

Gates says to win war sans Pakistan

As Barack Obama announced troops pullout, Robert Gates said US can win war without Pakistan.

Success is possible in the war in Afghanistan even if Pakistan fails to fully cooperate in countering militants along its border, US Defence Secretary Robert Gates told a foreign news agency.

With Pakistan taking some positive steps, Gates said: “I think that as long as the picture stays mixed like that, that we can be successful.”

Meanwhile, Obama announced the Afghan troops withdrawal timetable.

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Hillary hints at cutting Pak aid

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They aren't killing tribal civilians, they are killing Taliban terrorists...

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Sorry to say but most civilians and innocent tribal s are being killed in the name of Taliban terrorists

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Civilian casualities are something we all regret and despise. But causalities occur in war. Lets hope the Pak Army goes into Waziristan themselves and kills the terrorists directly. Then the drones would no longer be necessary. Its about time the Pak army earn their keep.

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If I accept your logic that casualties occur in war than we should also accept Bomb Blasts man I really feel sorry for you man don't try to justify killing of innocent tribals

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well good tactics of taleban go and kill ordinary people in revenge for the army killing them! kidnapping kids and using them as suicide bombers, why dont they go and blow themselves up? wait they want to send yours and my kids to paradise and dont want to go there themselves? they can even use burqas to try to flee if that could prolong their stay from entering janah.

The taleban have exposed them selves over and over again, as far as the loss of lives of ordinary/innocent people being caught up in the conflict is regrettable and hopefully that can be stopped as soon as possible.

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Sir their Children are also being killed stand for them too don't be bias man stand for each brutality not just which happens close to you

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whose children, the children of taleban? if they are their kids, they should have them used in suicide attacks so that they can reach jannah and not use other peoples kids for that.

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These people are worse than animals, no iota of humanity in them! the sad thing is that they have used the name of islam to propagate their animalisitic aims. suicide is haram and killing innocent people is haram, and they are using both to propagate their fitna.

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Sir stop speaking American Language sir I am talking about the children of Tribal who when shopping for Eid get bombed their ladies and mothers killed so what the hello do you except from a person when you kill his whole family and than justify it

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why are they being bombed in the first place?

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Because the master of Zardari Musharraf Ameirca told them to bomb them so they are getiing bombed tomorrow when they will say they are very good people they will become our heros

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From practical level lets look at several of the points you raised.

  1. all the problems without doubt began with the arrival of american forces in pakistan in 2001.

  2. america divide and rule in iraq is so clear everyone knows that, proof just look at iraq today divided between shia, sunni, kurds. For more proof look at the government so divded it is almost comedy there is your divide and rule in iraq america has complete control from government to even servicing the oil industry in iraq.

  3. the suicide bombings from some initial reports have found some cases they have found some people have been handcuffed to steering wheels of cars, people paid money to carry bags from point a to point b including children are these all suicide bombers or are they the victims? 100% can we say it all and every incident is muslims fault?

  4. there is no court case or independent investigation of these killings personally i don't trust everything media or government says so you really have to decide yourself from unbiased point of view.

so my question to you is how can you 100% blame the muslims for killing muslims without evidence while you have plenty of other enemies in your land?

I find it surprising you give the american forces who have track record of sabotage and causing mischief a Pass on this issue!!!

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I’m glad your sorry a$$ can see some sunshine now, please remove your troops from Pakistan, remove your CIA trolls from Pakistan, we’ll be glad to seal the borders and let you “enjoy” the show in Afghanistan. Don’ come running to us for food and oil :chai:

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http://www.dawn.com/2011/06/24/with-afghan-withdrawal-us-focus-turns-to-pakistan.html

With Afghan withdrawal, US focus turns to Pakistan

ISLAMABAD: As the US looks ahead to its phased withdrawal from Afghanistan, even more attention is being directed toward Pakistan, where Obama administration officials say al Qaeda and its allies are still plotting attacks against the West.

They argue that threat has been effectively neutralised in Afghanistan, a key justification for President Barack Obama’s announcement Wednesday that the US will withdraw 33,000 troops from Afghanistan by next summer. The US invaded Afghanistan in 2001 because al Qaeda used it as the base to launch the 9/11 attacks.

Afghanistan could take on new significance for the US as a base to launch unilateral strikes against militants inside neighboring Pakistan, an unstable nuclear-armed country that many analysts say is more strategically important than Afghanistan.

That future has become more likely as the relationship between Pakistan and the US has deteriorated following the American raid that killed al Qaeda chief Osama bin Laden not far from the Pakistani capital last month.

“We haven’t seen a terrorist threat emanating from Afghanistan for the past seven or eight years,” said a senior administration official in a briefing given to reporters in Washington before Obama’s speech. “The threat has come from Pakistan over the past half-dozen years or so, and longer.”

One of the most high-profile attempted attacks against the US homeland coming from Pakistan recently was by Faisal Shahzad, a Pakistani-American who tried to set off a car bomb in New York’s Times Square last year. He allegedly traveled to Pakistan’s tribal areas and coordinated his attack with the Pakistani Taliban.

Since Pakistan effectively prohibits American troops inside the country and has been a reluctant ally in targeting militants the US deems a threat, Washington has increasingly relied on covert CIA drone missile strikes to target al Qaeda and Taliban fighters holed up in Pakistan’s mountainous border region with Afghanistan.

The US refuses to acknowledge the drone program in Pakistan, but Obama alluded to its effectiveness in his speech, saying “together with the Pakistanis, we have taken out more than half of al Qaeda’s leadership.”

But the future of the drone program in Pakistan could be threatened by pervasive anti-American sentiment and anger over the US commando raid that killed bin Laden in the garrison town of Abbottabad on May 2.

The drones are extremely unpopular in Pakistan, and lawmakers took the opportunity to demand the government, which is widely believed to allow the drones to take off from bases inside the country, halt the program.

That demand found resonance with Pakistanis, nearly 70 per cent of whom view the US as an enemy despite billions of dollars in American aid, according to a recent poll conducted after the bin Laden raid by the Washington-based Pew Research Center. Only 12 percent of Pakistanis have a positive view of the US, according to the poll, which had a margin of error of plus or minus four percentage points.

**If Pakistan were to prevent drones from taking off from inside the country, the US would have to launch them from Afghanistan, an act that would further increase tensions in the region, said Riffat Hussain, a defence professor at Quaid-e-Azam University in Islamabad.

“The staging area would then become Afghanistan, which would be totally anathema to Pakistan because then you are using another country’s territory for attacks against Pakistan,” Hussain said. “That will not only escalate tension between Pakistan and Afghanistan, but it means America has declared war on Pakistan.”**

The US has also made it clear that if it obtains intelligence on future high-value terrorist targets inside Pakistan, it could stage special forces attacks from Afghanistan like the one that killed bin Laden.

The raid infuriated Pakistan because the government wasn’t told of it beforehand. US officials have said they kept the Pakistanis in the dark because they were worried that bin Laden would be tipped off by extremist sympathisers in the Pakistani military.

Pakistan responded to the raid by kicking out more than 100 US troops training Pakistanis in counterterrorism operations and reduced the level of intelligence cooperation — something that could make it more difficult for the US to target militants in the country.

One of the primary causes of US frustration with Pakistan is its unwillingness to target Afghan Taliban militants and their allies in the country who launch cross-border attacks against NATO troops in Afghanistan. Pakistan says its troops are stretched too thin by other operations, but many analysts believe the government is reluctant to attack groups with which it has historical ties and could be useful allies in Afghanistan after foreign forces withdraw.

Hussain, the defence professor, said the beginning of the American withdrawal from Afghanistan and Obama’s admission that the US would support reconciliation talks with the Taliban made it even less likely that Pakistan would target militants deemed a threat by Washington.
“If you are talking to the Taliban, then you can’t expect Pakistan to go after them,” Hussain said.

Obama said he would press Pakistan to tackle the militant threat inside the country, but also implied the US would not hesitate to go it alone when its security was endangered.

“For there should be no doubt that so long as I am president, the United States will never tolerate a safe-haven for those who aim to kill us,” Obama said.