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http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/07/world/asia/07policy.html?_r=1&hp

Probing Link to Bin Laden, U.S. Tells Pakistan to Name Agents

WASHINGTON — **Pakistani officials say the Obama administration has demanded the identities of some of their top intelligence operatives as the United States tries to determine whether any of them had contact with Osama bin Laden or his agents in the years before the raid that led to his death early Monday morning in Pakistan.

The officials provided new details of a tense discussion between Pakistani officials and an American envoy who traveled to Pakistan on Monday, as well as the growing suspicion among United States intelligence and diplomatic officials that someone in Pakistan’s secret intelligence agency knew of Bin Laden’s location, and helped shield him.

Obama administration officials have stopped short of accusing the Pakistani government — either privately or publicly — of complicity in the hiding of Bin Laden in the years after the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. **One senior administration official privately acknowledged that the administration sees its relationship with Pakistan as too crucial to risk a wholesale break, even if it turned out that past or present Pakistani intelligence officials did know about Bin Laden’s whereabouts.

Still, this official and others expressed deep frustration with Pakistani military and intelligence officials for their refusal over the years to identify members of the agency, the Inter-Services Intelligence Directorate, who were believed to have close ties to Bin Laden. In particular, American officials have demanded information on what is known as the ISI’s S directorate, which has worked closely with militants since the days of the fight against the Soviet army in Afghanistan.

“It’s hard to believe that Kayani and Pasha actually knew that Bin Laden was there,” a senior administration official said, referring to Pakistan’s army chief, Gen. Ashfaq Parvez Kayani, and the ISI director-general, Lt. Gen. Ahmad Shuja Pasha. But, added the official, speaking on condition of anonymity because of the diplomatic sensitivity of the issue, “there are degrees of knowing, and it wouldn’t surprise me if we find out that someone close to Pasha knew.”

Already, Pakistani news outlets have been speculating that General Pasha, one of the most powerful figures in Pakistan, may step down as a consequence of the Bin Laden operation.

The increasing tensions between the United States and Pakistan — whose proximity to Afghanistan makes it almost a necessary ally in the American and allied war there — came as Al Qaeda itself acknowledged on Friday the death of its leader. The group did so while vowing revenge on the United States and its allies.

Pakistani investigators involved in piecing together Bin Laden’s life during the past nine years said this week that he had been living in Pakistan’s urban centers longer than previously believed.

Two Pakistani officials with knowledge of the continuing Pakistani investigation say that Bin Laden’s Yemeni wife, one of three wives now in Pakistani custody since the raid on Monday, told investigators that before moving in 2005 to the mansion in Abbottabad where he was eventually killed, Bin Laden had lived with his family for nearly two and a half years in a small village, Chak Shah Mohammad, a little more than a mile southeast of the town of Haripur, on the main Abbottabad highway.

In retrospect, one of the officials said, this means that Bin Laden left Pakistan’s rugged tribal region sometime in 2003 and had been living in northern urban regions since then. American and Pakistani officials had thought for years that ever since Bin Laden disappeared from Tora Bora in Afghanistan, he had been hiding in the tribal regions straddling the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.

**A former Pakistani official noted that Abbottabad, the site of the Pakistani equivalent of the West Point military academy, is crawling with security guards and military officials who established a secure cordon around the town, raising questions of how the officials could not know there was a suspicious compound in their midst.

“If he was there since 2005, that is too long a time for local police and intelligence not to know,” said Hassan Abbas, a former Pakistani official now teaching at Columbia University.

Mr. Abbas said there was a tight net of security surrounding Abbottabad because Pakistani officials were concerned about terrorist attacks on sensitive military installations in the area.**

Art Keller, a former officer of the Central Intelligence Agency who worked on the hunt for Bin Laden from a compound in the Waziristan region of Pakistan in 2006, said the Qaeda founder’s choice of the garrison town of Abbottabad as a refuge in 2005 raised serious questions. Bin Laden certainly knew of the concentration of military institutions, officers and retirees in the town — including some from the ISI’s S directorate, Mr. Keller said. And because the military has also been a target of militant attacks in recent years, the town has a higher level of security awareness, checkpoints and street surveillance than others.

If Bin Laden wanted to relocate in a populated area of Pakistan to avoid missiles fired from American drones, Mr. Keller said, he had many choices. So Mr. Keller questioned why Bin Laden would live in Abbottabad, unless he had some assurance of protection or patronage from military or intelligence officers. “At best, it was willful blindness on the part of the ISI,” Mr. Keller said. “Willful blindness is a survival mechanism in Pakistan.”

The trove of information taken by the commandos from the compound occupied by Bin Laden may answer some of these questions, and perhaps even solve the puzzle of where he has been in recent years.

A senior law enforcement official said Friday that the F.B.I. and C.I.A. had rapidly assembled small armies of analysts, technical experts and translators to pore over about 100 thumb drives, DVDs and computer disks, along with 10 computer hard drives, 5 computers and assorted cellphones. Analysts are also sifting through piles of paper documents in the house, many of which are in Arabic and other languages that need to be translated.

In Washington and New York alone, several hundred analysts, technical experts and other specialists are working round the clock to review the trove of information. “It’s all hands on deck,” said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the continuing investigation.

Technical specialists are recovering phone numbers from several cellphones recovered at the compound. The experts need to distinguish foreign telephone contacts from any numbers in the United States, which undergo a separate legal review, the official said.

“We’re also looking through notes, letters, e-mails and other communications,” the official said. “We’re looking at who owns the e-mails and what linkages there are to those people.” The official said that the initial analysis would involve searching for information about specific threats or plots, or potential terrorists sent to the United States or Europe, and that the F.B.I. was pursuing a small number of leads from the information reviewed so far.

Helene Cooper reported from Washington, and Ismail Khan from Peshawar, Pakistan. Eric Schmitt, Scott Shane and Mark Mazzetti contributed reporting from Washington.
A version of this article appeared in print on May 7, 2011, on page A10 of the New York edition with the headline: U.S. Demands More From Pakistan as Details of Bin Laden’s Movements Emerge.

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http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/07/isi-chief-leaves-for-us-on-critical-mission.html

ISI chief leaves for US on critical mission By Baqir Sajjad Syed | From the Newspaper

ISLAMABAD: **ISI Chief Lt-Gen Shuja Pasha left on Friday for Washington to explain Pakistan`s position on the presence of Al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden in the country before he was killed in a US raid on May 2.

Gen Pasha set off on the critical mission for putting an end to misgivings about Pakistan in the US a day after armys top brass conceded the failure of intelligence in detecting Osamas presence in the vicinity of the elite military training institute and ordered an investigation.

Uncorroborated reports suggest that before leaving for Washington Gen Pasha met CIAs station chief in Islamabad and reminded him about ISIs contributions in the war on terror **and the lead about Osamas courier that eventually led the US to the Al Qaeda chiefs hideout in Abbottabad.

Although, Washington does not have any evidence to prove that Pakistani military and intelligence were aware of Osama`s presence in the country, it has put the onus on Pakistan to prove its innocence.
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Pakistan is now being asked to do something that could prove its sincerity and commitment to the fight against militancy.**

While defending ISI, Foreign Secretary Salman Bashir said: “It is easy to say that the ISI and elements in the government are in cahoots with the Al Qaeda. This is a false hypothesis. This is a false charge. It cannot be validated on any account. It flies in the face of what Pakistan, particularly the ISI, has been able to accomplish more than any other agency, including the CIA.”

As Gen Pasha left for Washington on a trip aimed at restoring trust, The Daily Beast, an online sister publication of Newsweek, reported that “the head of Pakistan`s … intelligence service may step down, as the government looks for a fall guy for the Bin Laden debacle”.

The Daily Beast said Gen Pasha`s resignation “was only a matter of time”.

**The report about possible resignation of Gen Pasha has struck a chord with the general public who feel to have been let down by the army and ISI, not just because they could not notice the presence of world`s top most fugitive, but also because of their failure to know about the raid by US Navy Seal strike team.

If anything could indicate public anger about the military and ISI it was a text message widely circulated on different cellular networks. The message reads: “For sale! obsolete army radar, can`t detect copters, but can receive signals of Star Plus (an Indian entertainment channel). Only Rs999.”**

Even though the Corps Commanders Conference held on Thursday tried to allay public doubts about militarys capabilities, reservations linger because of numerous unanswered questions regarding Osama`s presence and the US raid.

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Probing Link to Bin Laden, U.S. Tells Pakistan to Name Agents
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- George W. Bush - Dick Cheney - Rumsfeld - Leon Panetta - Barack Obama ...

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Name top Agents ok here you go:

General musharaff, Nawaz sharif and asif zardari

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I believe there would be some individuals in the ISI helping the CIA too, like giving vital info to those guys...

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http://www.dawn.com/2011/05/07/obamas-promised-trip-to-pakistan-now-uncertain.html

Obama’s promised trip to Pakistan now uncertain

WASHINGTON: **President Barack Obama’s promised trip to Pakistan this year, once seen as a reward for a key ally in the fight against terrorism, is now a looming headache for the White House as it tries to determine whether the government in Islamabad was complicit in allowing Osama bin Laden to live for years within the country’s borders.

Obama told Pakistani officials in the fall that he planned to travel there in 2011, in part to soothe concerns that the president was favoring Pakistan’s neighbor and archrival, India, by visiting there first. White House spokesmen questioned this week by The Associated Press refused to say whether Obama still planned to go.**

In the hours after bin Laden’s killing by a US special forces team in Pakistan, John Brennan, Obama’s top counterterrorism adviser, left the topic open. ”I’m not going to address the president’s schedule,” he said. ”I think there’s a commitment that the president has made that he is intending to visit Pakistan. A lot depends on availability, scheduling.”

The decision is of enormous strategic and symbolic importance to both countries. A presidential trip would signal a continued US commitment to its complicated, yet necessary, relationship with Pakistan, a country that is not only integral in dealing with terrorism, but will also play a key role in the US troop drawdown in neighboring Afghanistan.

Canceling the visit could be seen as a sign of US mistrust of Pakistan’s handling of extremists within its borders – as underscored by the news that bin Laden lived in what Brennan himself called ”plain sight” in a neighborhood home to many in the Pakistani military.

Karl Inderfurth, a former assistant secretary of state who traveled to Pakistan with then President Bill Clinton, said the White House should hold off making any decisions about Obama’s travel until the tensions that have heightened since bin Laden’s death have eased.

”I don’t think that responsible officials on either side want to inject into that situation all that is required for a presidential visit, including safety and security, said Inderfurth, now a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies. ”The Pakistanis know they are sitting atop a very volatile situation.”

Obama aides had never publicly set a date for the president’s visit to Pakistan, and it’s unlikely they will even if he does go there. Because of security concerns, Obama would probably travel unannounced and under heavy security, as Vice President Joe Biden did earlier this year. Obama has traveled to Iraq and Afghanistan under similar circumstances.

The US has spent years and billions of dollars trying to coax Pakistan to be a more willing partner in the fight against terrorism, offering aid to its military and trying to bolster weak political leaders. But there have always been questions about how committed Pakistan is to that effort _ questions that only increased after bin Laden’s death.

Some in Congress say the fact that bin Laden may have been hiding in a comfortable compound near Islamabad for up to six years is proof that Pakistan is an unreliable partner and are calling for ending or reducing the $1.3 billion in aid the US sends each year to Pakistan.

For its part, Pakistan’s army has acknowledged the shortcomings in its efforts to find bin Laden but also threatened to review cooperation with Washington if the US forces continue to penetrate Pakistani airspace without permission.

Obama has canceled a foreign trip before, but under far different circumstances. In 2010, he twice postponed a planned visit to Indonesia and Australia to deal with pressing domestic issues. He eventually made it to Indonesia, while Australia is still waiting for its visit.

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And they are asking more
US demands names of top ISI operatives after bin Laden’s death

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yes one more terrorist attack any where in the world and america would declare ISI as its biggest enemy

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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/may/5/evidence-at-bin-ladens-home-raises-nuclear-concern/

Evidence at bin Laden’s home raises nuclear concerns
Pakistani government links suspected

Intelligence analysts are sifting through phone numbers and email addresses found at Osama bin Laden’s compound to determine potential links to Pakistani government and military officials while U.S. officials and analysts raise concerns about the safety of Pakistan’s nuclear materials.

According to three U.S. intelligence officials, the race is on to identify what President Obama’s top counterterrorism adviser, John Brennan, has called bin Laden’s “support system” inside Pakistan. These sources sought anonymity because they are not authorized to speak to reporters.

“My concern now is that we cannot exclude the possibility that officers in the Pakistani military and the intelligence service were helping to harbor or aware of the location of bin Laden,” said Olli Heinonen, who served as the deputy director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) from 2005 to 2010.

“What is to say they would not help al Qaeda or other terrorist groups to gain access to sensitive nuclear materials such as highly enriched uranium and plutonium?”

The U.S. has worried quietly about the infiltration of Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and military for years. Those concerns heightened in recent months when the CIA learned that bin Laden’s compound in Abbottabad was a stone’s throw from Pakistan’s military academy.

Politico first reported this week that CIA Director Leon E. Panetta told members of Congress that bin Laden’s clothing had two phone numbers sewn into it at the time of the raid. Those numbers and other contacts found at the compound are key clues in an effort to determine what elements of Pakistan’s national security establishment provided support to bin Laden and al Qaeda.

“I can tell you that concern about al Qaeda and other terrorists’ infiltration into the ISI is not new on the part of the Congress or the [George W.] Bush and Obama administrations,” said Rep. Steve Rothman, a New Jersey Democrat who serves on two House Appropriations subcommittees that fund defense and foreign aid.

Mr. Rothman has attended top-secret briefings on the Abbottabad raid and the impact of the raid on Afghanistan and Pakistan.

“As a matter of course, and for good reason, the materials that were removed from bin Laden’s home in Pakistan are being run down for leads that could assist the United States in apprehending individuals or entities who have sought to harm Americans or who have enabled others to harm Americans,” he said.

Another U.S. intelligence official told The Washington Times that other phone numbers and emails were recovered in the raid.

Mr. Rothman said al Qaeda operatives in 2009 “came within 60 kilometers of what is believed to have been Pakistan’s nuclear arsenal,” though he could not elaborate on the incident.

“Two years ago, al Qaeda came close, too close for comfort,” Mr. Rothman said. “That resulted … in new safeguards and new measures taken by the United States and Pakistan and others to minimize any possibility of anyone acquiring the Pakistani nuclear weapons or material.”

Pakistan is neither a member of the IAEA nor a party to the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. Nonetheless, it has agreed to some IAEA safeguards on its civil nuclear program, but nothing comprehensive.

Analysts estimate Pakistan to have more than 100 nuclear weapons. The latest estimate by Princeton University’s International Panel on Fissile Materials, which takes account of the world’s nuclear material, estimates that Pakistan possesses between 1.6 tons and 3.8 tons of weapons-grade uranium and between 132 pounds and 286 pounds of plutonium.

“Up to now, the Pakistanis have said the nuclear material is under military and ISI control and particularly the plutonium and highly enriched uranium,” Mr. Heinonen said. “These are from facilities that are not under IAEA control at all.”

A Feb. 19, 2009, cable from the U.S. Embassy in Islamabad said the nuclear arsenal is “under the control of the secular military, which has implemented extensive physical, personnel and command and control safeguards.”

“Our major concern has not been that an Islamic militant could steal an entire weapon but rather the chance someone working in [Pakistani government] facilities could gradually smuggle enough fissile material out to eventually make a weapon and the vulnerability of weapons in transit,” said the cable, which was released Wednesday by the anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks.

The cable was prepared in anticipation of the February 2009 visit to Washington of Gen. Ashfaq Kayani, who is chief of staff of Pakistan’s military. In it, the cable also acknowledged how the ISI and Pakistani army have elements that still support terrorist groups.

“We need to lay down a clear marker that Pakistan’s Army/ISI must stop overt or tacit support for militant proxies. … We should preface that conversation with an agreement to open a new page in relations; Kayani, who was ISI Chief from 2004-2007, does not want a reckoning with the past,” the cable said.

The details on bin Laden’s compound already have led some members of Congress to threaten to cut off military aid to Pakistan, which receives more than $3 billion annually from the U.S.

Mr. Rothman said he wants to use U.S. military aid to gain more leverage with Pakistan’s government.

“We should continue to use whatever foreign and military aid to Pakistan … in order to help guide the Pakistanis into creating the kind of stability and cooperation we are looking for from them on a consistent basis,” he said.

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pakistan military are same as pak politics they bow to the US master don't be fooled by the media stories that there is conflict they helping the Americans in every way from giving them bases, fighting muslims in afghanistan for USA, handing over muslims in night time raids you name it pak army has done it!

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Damn, you do disservice to that great batsman.

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Would US reveal all the CIA agents roaming in Pakistan and what they are doing there?

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Captain.. great point however unfortunately US does not view at Pak as an equal.. the billions of dollars of aids means the US treats Pak like a paltu kutta (I am sorry for the language I could not find a more apt term) that they can push around and invade at will. Is it fair? Of course not. But what can the Pak officials do now? Risk losing the billions of dollars of annual aid?

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i heard they have passed the bill to stop the aid ... cant wait for the big news!!! we dont need them , atleast a common Pakistani really does not care abt their so called aid!!
if our leaders hav any self respect left, they shouldnt care much whn there is no more aid!!

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Maybe we'll be in a good position to ask for that if we had captured a key terrorist leader in New York with phone numbers of CIA agents.

Let's get serious here. Osama was not hiding in Abbottabad without some local help and we should not be surprised if some of them turn out to be rogue ISI people. Afterall, ISI has had long links with jihadis of all nationalities.

The best way to avoid this is not get caught with pants down.

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Of course it is our top officials who have turned the country into a whore/pet for US, it started long time ago. Can they risk losing the billions of dollars? Nope, the officials will feel death knocking on their doors once they are told that AID is being stopped, when I say death I mean losing privileges, big bucks being deposited in their accounts for lavish lifestyle for their generations to come. But all this does not stop me and millions of others from demanding what we do.


I agree, but we did capture a Raymond Davis who had established connections with TTP in Pakistan and we all know TTP is not a friend of Pakistan. We do have right of finding out names of all Raymonds, but the million dollar question is whether our esteemed leaders are willing to do that much.

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Raymond Davis' TTP connections are likely a bogus leak by the pro-ISI lifafa reporters. If it was a real deal, we'd have seen the documentary evidence. The 'TTP is a CIA creation' theory is an excuse created by the ghairatmand brigade to cover for the fact that these guys are just former ISI proteges now gone rogue.

Comparing Raymond Davis to Osama living in a cantonment is like comparing a shoplifter to a serial killer. We got caught in a big lie and look like our agencies protected the world's most wanted man.

Forget US, even Saudis will now think that we are playing a double game with them.

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Do you really think that the Americans are not serial killers themselves they have been carrying out these killings sometimes under the garb of democracy, terrorism, WMD and trying to change anti US regimes

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yes everyone know what you say is correct the pak government same every time ppp or pml they all crooks no difference but there is alternative solution.

but it will take a revolution to remove complete political establishment and establish a government that works for the good of the future of the people and not for the good of Amerikkka!

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Sure, they killed lots in Iraq, Vietnam etc. but that is no excuse for us to become a terrorist sheltering state is it? Osama was world criminal number 1 and some geniuses in GHQ thought they can keep him hidden somehow for some stupid reason.

Who were we kidding trying to play noora kushti with the world's sole superpower? Even China will not directly mess with the US this way.