Pakistan ahead of India in missile technology

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NEW DELHI: Pakistan has surged well ahead of India in missile technology as there is only short-range Prithivi missile which is 100% operational as of now at Indian side.

Times of India in its report quoting defence sources said though the 700-km Agni-I and 2,000-km-plus Agni-II ballistic missiles are being “inducted” into the armed forces, but it will take time for them to become fully operational.

The Indian forces are still in the process of conducting “training trials” of Agni-I and Agni-II to give them the requisite capabilities to fire them on their own.

The Agni-III, tested successfully only twice in April 2007 and May 2008, will not be ready for induction in the armed forces before 2012.

The design work on Agni-V, with 5,000-km range is also in progress, said the paper.

“We should be ready to test Agni-V by 2010-2011,” the daily quoting an official said.

India’s missile report card is rather dismal at present, an expert said and added the strategic missile needs to be tested 10 to 15 times, over a variety of flight envelopes and targets, before it can be said to be fully-operational. A missile cannot be dubbed ready just after three to four tests, he said.

The daily said the Indian Army has placed orders worth Rs 1,500 crore for 75 Prithvi-I and 62 Prithvi-II missiles, while IAF wants 63 Prithvi-II missiles for over Rs 900 crore.

The Indian navy has ordered Dhanush missiles, the naval version of Prithvi, with a 350 km strike range, for its “dual-tasked” warships, INS Subhadra and INS Suvarna.

Pak surges ahead of India in missile technology,2/3/2009 2:38:06 AM

If India stops its bollywood inspired hanky panky business and constant blame on ISI even if someone coughs too loud in Delhi, i’m sure Pakistan can extend the olive branch and help its neighbor improve on their advanced weapons systems.

India has a lot to learn form all its neighbors, and it must realize that shopping in USA won’t come in handy in case of immediate crisis. Prime example of Pakistan’s assistance is Sri Lanka who are ripping Indian backed LTTE to shreds, and soon will regain control of their territory. :slight_smile:

Good job Pakistan. Maintain that edge.

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once india gets better in manufacturing sector its going to be a nightmare for pakistan.

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Pakistan will leap in this field because Sino-Pak have long-term defense agreements, and both will improve. The US Sanctions on Pakistan actually helped Pakistan become self-sufficient, and thus giving rise to near perfection amount of work that was put into these system that most missiles employ. I'm not so sure about India's ties with Russia at the moment, but if they're as good as Sino-Pak, then yes India can very possibly raise the bar for Pakistan. No doubt.

Wht r u doing ?
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If you guys are unable to discuss subjects you don't comprehend then you can simply learn by asking questions. If you are here only to vent your hate for Pakistan you are more than welcome to leave.

NOTE: These comments are applicable to people whose posts have been removed, they know who they are.

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no one knows about the real abilities of India and Pakistan missiles quantity and quality, the army of Pakistan and India would have been the first to know there opposite abilities and inabilities, as for as India is concerned there is no scramble to get beyond 700 km range missiles with respect to Pakistan, but there is a scramble to get missile defense systems.

Karachi in the 60s
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India lags behind Pakistan in missiles
2 Feb 2009, 0217 hrs IST, Rajat Pandit , TNN

NEW DELHI: With active help from China and North Korea, Pakistan has surged well

ahead of India in the missile arena. The only
nuclear-capable ballistic missile in
India's arsenal which can be said to be 100% operational as of now is the short-range Prithvi missile.

Though the 700-km Agni-I and 2,000-km-plus Agni-II ballistic missiles are being "inducted" into the armed forces, it will take "some time" for them to become "fully-operational in the numbers required".

Defence sources said the armed forces were still in the process of undertaking the "training trials" of Agni-I and Agni-II to give them the requisite capabilities to fire them on their own.

Of the two, the progress report of Agni-I, tested for the first time in January 2002 to plug the operational gap between Prithvi (150-350 km) and Agni-II missiles, is much better. The Army has already conducted two "user training trials", one in October 2007 and other in March 2008, of the Pakistan-specific Agni-I missile.

The fourth test of 3,500-km Agni-III, which will give India the strategic capability to hit targets deep inside China, is also on the anvil now. But Agni-III, tested successfully only twice in April 2007 and May 2008, will not be ready for induction before 2012.

Then, of course, design work on India's most ambitious strategic missile with near ICBM (intercontinental ballistic missile) capabilities, the 5,000-km range Agni-V, which incorporates a third composite stage in the two-stage Agni-III, is also in progress. "We should be ready to test Agni-V by 2010-2011," said an official.

So, in effect, the missile report card is rather dismal at present. "Unlike Pakistan, our programme is indigenous. But a strategic missile needs to be tested 10 to 15 times, over a variety of flight envelopes and targets, before it can be said to be fully-operational. A missile cannot be dubbed ready just after three to four tests," said an expert.

Keeping this benchmark in mind, only Prithvi can be dubbed to be fully ready. Defence PSUs like Bharat Dynamics Ltd, Bharat Earth Movers Ltd and Mishra Dhatu Nigam Ltd, in fact, are stepping up production of the different Prithvi variants.

Army, for instance, has orders worth Rs 1,500 crore for 75 Prithvi-I and 62 Prithvi-II missiles, while IAF has gone in for 63 Prithvi-II missiles for over Rs 900 crore.

Navy, in turn, has ordered Dhanush missiles, the naval version of Prithvi, with a 350 km strike range, for its "dual-tasked" warships, INS Subhadra and INS Suvarna.

India wants to gatecrash into the very exclusive club of `Big-Five' countries like Russia, US and China, which have both ICBMs (missiles with strike ranges over 5,500-km) and SLBMs (submarine-launched ballistic missiles), before 2015.

The SLBM quest is specifically crucial since it's the most effective and secure leg of the "nuclear weapon triad", with land-based missiles and aircraft capable of delivering nuclear bombs constituting the first two components.

The initial range of K-15 SLBM being developed by DRDO will, however, be limited to 750-km, far less than the over 5,000-km range SLBMs b*****shed by the `Big-5' countries.

The plan is to go for higher strike ranges after the initial K-15 missiles are integrated into the indigenous nuclear-powered submarines being built under the secretive ATV (advanced technology vessel) programme.

Times of India

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Babur internal mechanism and trigger system

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Command and Control System

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Dr. Samar Mubarakmand (born September 17, 1942) is Pakistan's top nuclear scientist, and the Ex Chairman of Pakistan's National Engineering and Scientific Commission(NESCOM), an organization regarded as the country's premier center of scientific research.

He has been awarded Pakistan's three highest civil awards, the Nishan-e-Imtiaz, the Hilal-e-Imtiaz and the Sitara-e-Imtiaz. He rose to national fame in May 1998 when he headed the team of Pakistani scientists which conducted the country's successful nuclear tests in Balochistan.

Dr. Mubarakmand received the M.S. degree in Physics from Government College , Lahore, in 1962, and the Ph.D. in Experimental Nuclear Physics from the University of Oxford, England, in 1966 where he was part of the team which commissioned a 22 million volt atomic accelerator. He has expertise in nuclear instrumentation, nuclear diagnostics, application of lasers, and fibre optics technology.

Dr. Samar Mubarakmand has been associated with a variety of classified scientific programmes in Pakistan. He joined the Pakistan Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC) in 1962, where he was in charge of the Directorate of Technical Development, one of the most secretive institutes within Pakistan and completely unknown to the outside world. He reportedly supervised several cold tests in 1983, and also developed a neutron facility for acceleration of explosion process in a nuclear device. In 1990s, he served as the Director General of National Defence Complex, another Pakistani organization shrouded in secrecy. He was appointed as the first Chairman of Pakistan's National Engineering and Scientific Commission (NESCOM) in 2001. He is now considered the main architect of Pakistan's missile program, which includes systems such as the Babur missile, Shaheen missile series, and the Ghaznavi missile system.

One of his recent landmark achievements is the establishment of Centers of Excellence (COEs) in the fields of Computational Science and Medicine, Control & Instrumentation, Fluid Dynamics & Engineering Design, Hydro Technologies, Wireless Communication, and Electronics and Composite Materials. These COEs are fast becoming the hub of advance scientific and medical activity in Pakistan, conducting research in areas such as stem cells, tissue culture technology, and production of cardiac stents.

Dr. Samar Mubarakmand is widely credited with bringing modernization in the design and development of many components and instruments, which are considered the backbone of Pakistan's nuclear and missile technology.

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You do not need missiles to protect you for another 1000 years because there is going to be no war between both the nations atleast for such a period.

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^ so that's the reason India raised its military budget by 34%?

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You do not need missiles to protect you for another 1000 years because there is going to be no war between both the nations atleast for such a period.
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There will always be a Chance of war, until the Kashmir issue is Solved, You see We will take back what belong to us, so we need to be strong enough to take it by force if we have to.

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That is a good hope, and i share in that with you. However defensive measures do not project an ever-safe future because if a nation is incapable then it is awaiting invasion by a mightier nation. Iraq is a prime example, and so is Afghanistan. Both nations lacked any strong deterrent other than locals who are anti-invaders.

India and Pakistan both need to have superb defensive measures because the new U.S.A. aka China is growing like a mammoth and there is a possibility that U.S. could use kashmir as a lighting match to cause a frenzy between Pakistan and India in order to win them both over using the age-old arms deals tactics so the two neighbors maybe used to contain China.

Simple-mindedness is angelic, but the sad reality is that we live in a wicked 'dog eat dog' world.

India needs to significantly improve its missile defense programs. And learning from others is not a bad thing at all, but at some point India should procure the learning process into manufacturing and show that it can compete with others in the vicinity when it comes to Advanced Weapons manufacturing.