Pakistan --A poor test side??

I don’t know who TF is Jimmy Stewart ….just read his column at http://cricket-online.org
(I am posting part of his BS)… how much truth is in his words??

…I group world teams at the moment in four categories – elite, competitive, poor and abysmal. Last year, Australia, Sri Lanka and South Africa were all elite teams. Sri Lanka, after going nine Tests without a victory have lost that status and the respect that entails.

In the competitive department are New Zealand, India, England and the West Indies. All are talented teams with major flaws. All pose threats to each other, and can play at a standard to challenge the elite teams. Pakistan are a poor Test cricket side. Only Youhana is a solid test player with the whole team disintegrating before him…(edited)
Zimbabwe and Bangladesh don’t even bear mentioning. Here..

Pakistan

Flip through the pages of history and you’ll be able to see the great, fallen empires, Rome, Britain. Flip through cricket history and you see a pattern in the rise and fall of world powers. The West Indies peaked at 1984, by 1998 they were considered the worst major Test nation. Pakistan were also the world’s best team in 1994, the Wasim Empire, but by 2002, they were the world’s worst major Test nation. Again, one could look at Australia’s future in these terms. Australia peaked in 2001, by 2010 could they be a cricket minnow? But why have Pakistan slipped so far? Most of it is just external factors, fate plotting against it. Pakistan have played TWO home matches against major Test nations at home, Sri Lanka and New Zealand. Not even a single series. This is mainly political, nothing to do with the cricket. But with no home momentum or home ground advantage, Pakistan just can’t keep up. Pakistan haven’t been playing much Test cricket anywhere. Their recent schedule looks like a haphazard smattering of matches; two Tests in Bangladesh, two against the West Indies in the UAE, one-off Asia Cup Final against Sri Lanka at home, New Zealand only made it through a single Test in Pakistan, they then played Australia in BOTH Sri Lanka and the UAE, two Tests in Zimbabwe, two in South Africa and two at home against Bangladesh. That is bizarre and horribly unfair. Only one series more than two Tests in two and a half years – unfair. Two one-off Tests – unfair. Matches on unfamiliar “home” matches – unfair. Add to that father time. Let’s look at the retirements, or redundancies of the past five years in Pakistan; Aamir Sohail, Saeed Anwar, Ijaz Ahmed, Wasim Akram, Waqar Younis, Saqlain Mushtaq, Mushtaq Ahmed and now, possible, Inzamam ul-Haq. Youhana casts a lonely shadow over his team of preschoolers. A bunch of deers caught in the headlights, a vicious gash between each generation, no chance to slowly fold them into Test cricket. Their hopes rest on the arrogant, machine gun like, unproven, show pony that is Shoaib Akhtar, the calm, mature, sound but placid Abdur Razzaq, young gun Younis Khan and Yousaf Youhana. Yohannan’s growing presence on the world stage, and his formative years resemble Lara. Lara was both the messiah and the anti-Christ of the West Indies post-Richards years, and was forced into bringing the team back from the dead. Now, Lara seems to be more comfortable, with the more realistic and useful attitude of improvement that is coming out of the West Indies. Youhana is more mature than Lara ever was. He has seen so many great players, and learned from them all. A tuition that has the grace and flair of Anwar and the boundary hitting ability and technical brilliance of Inzamam is entirely fitting for a player looking to lead his nation out of the cricketing wilderness. Youhana has yet to establish himself as comfortably on major Test nations, and thus, he is not one of the top world stars, but his batting has the flexibility and nous of Tendulkar, and he already has the best square drive in the game. Youhana is my favorite player, and he will only become a bigger factor in years to come. But Pakistan are a team in no mans land, they have less hope and talent than the above nations, but could never be considered in the same class as Zimbabwe. Pakistan were swept by Australia, swept by South Africa, lost to Sri Lanka, lost and drew to England. There’s work to be done."

well i think that Since Youhana is a very good test player but lacks the genius touch a captain or better a leader needs at this level ...... we all know Inzi will be around (if his form allows) maybe 1 1/2 or 2 years but not more ..... so a lot will depend on Youhana since Younis needs to learn the patience and maturity for this level ...... some will say he is mature and patient already ..... right but the it's a matter of fact that he doesn't feel the load or pressure to perform since he know Inzi and Youhana r there but once Inzi is gone u'll c he has to change his approach which'll cause him problems .....

What about the opening ???? PCB made a big mistake to let Saeed retire and with that a mentor for the upcoming opener for the side ...... For those who have seen a Sharjah cup match between Pak and SL i think ..... where Naveed Lateef was struggling to get some runs but once Inzi arrived at the crease and began to talk to him between the deliveries and overs u could see suddenly a different Naveed who went to make 100 ..... Things like that will be missing

Bowling!!!!! Allah Khair karay ...... With Mushi not visible for one eyed selectors and Saqi past his prime ..... Kaneria to fill the boots ?????? not really eh ??? And fast bowling ??? Sami and that's it .... with shobby only able to deliver when he is in mood to do so ..... we still need atleast three bowlers with atleast the speed of Sami to be able to compete otherwise i see a dark future .....

More to follow (it's quite late and i'm tired)

gotta fully agree with you :k:

I have to agree with the author, Pakistan at this moment is a poor side, with the exception of Shoaib and Youhana, we don't have any other player who can compete in the world class level.
I would categorize test teams this way.
First Class: Australia
Second Class: South Africa, England, New Zealand, West Indies, India
Third Class: Pakistan, Sri Lanka, ZImbabwe
Poor: Bangladesh

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Bowling!!!!! Allah Khair karay ...... With Mushi not visible for one eyed selectors and Saqi past his prime ..... Kaneria to fill the boots ?????? not really eh ??? And fast bowling ??? Sami and that's it .... with shobby only able to deliver when he is in mood to do so ..... we still need atleast three bowlers with atleast the speed of Sami to be able to compete otherwise i see a dark future .....

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Zero one bhai I think you are too harsh on the bowling. First of all Saqi is not past his prime. He is very young. At age 28 he can still play for a good 10 years. Shoaib has an impecable ODI record. I think he will start performing better with the added responsibilty of being the senior bowler.

Sami is good but why do you need three bowlers of Sami's speed to stand a chance. I mean Sami is the third fastest bowler in the world. If the whole world only produced one bowler faster then Sami (didnt count Shoaib as he is a Pakistani) why do you expect Pakistan to produce three more of his speed. Shoaib and Sami have extra ordinary speed and you dont get a whole lot of fast bowlers of that pace. I think even if Shabir and Gul can improve that would be enough. I am still waiting to see what happens of Mohammad Zahid. He use to be fast before he broke down but ever since his return he is not that fast or threatning.

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Zero one bhai I think you are too harsh on the bowling. First of all Saqi is not past his prime. He is very young. At age 28 he can still play for a good 10 years. Shoaib has an impecable ODI record. I think he will start performing better with the added responsibilty of being the senior bowler.

Sami is good but why do you need three bowlers of Sami's speed to stand a chance. I mean Sami is the third fastest bowler in the world. If the whole world only produced one bowler faster then Sami (didnt count Shoaib as he is a Pakistani) why do you expect Pakistan to produce three more of his speed. Shoaib and Sami have extra ordinary speed and you dont get a whole lot of fast bowlers of that pace. I think even if Shabir and Gul can improve that would be enough. I am still waiting to see what happens of Mohammad Zahid. He use to be fast before he broke down but ever since his return he is not that fast or threatning.
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LM yaar take a look .... with two real pacemen (Sami & Shoby) Pak isn't served that well since Injuries + other commitments like county, Family etc. etc. will most certainly keep 1 bowler away from the Nat. side ..... i'm not refering to shoby's stint back to durham .... with atleast tow or three other real pacemen (with bowling average around and above 90 mph) there will be something called competition for selection for the final 11 ..... a luxury i don't see in Pak at the moment ..... with the competition u won't c ppl like shoby changing their attitude totally but atleast he will have something to think about especially his selection for the final 11 .... this will also set thunderbolts free from shoby on more regular basis than we see at the moment ..... u'll see this chap won't need to bowl 12-15 overs to get his 1st wick in test but he'll start from the word go (i don't doubt his commitment for Pak) .... but once u r under pressure to deliver because ur place could be handover to the next one waiting eagerly for it u know damn well what to do to keep ur place .... so much about the needed competition among the fast bowlers (a Pace battery like the Windies had for a while) .... It'll also allow u to rest the players to save them from a burnout especially fast bowlers.

To Saqi: Yaar almost everyone in world cricket has figured him out .... those who can play Murali can also handle him and his variation since the later one has more bounce and spin .... also this guy need some competition to gain his place and not to be sure of it .... this is my observation