Pakistan 'a failed state'? (Merged)

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Pakistan not a failed state: Franklin Lavin](Geo News: Latest News Breaking, Live Videos, World, Entertainment, Royal)


The American administration is introducing a legislation in the
Congress to pave the way for establishment of Economic Opportunities Zones in Tribal Areas of Pakistan. Goods produced in these zones would enjoy duty free access to the US market.

This was stated by the visiting US Under Secretary for International Trade, Mr. Franklin Lavin while addressing a news conference here on Friday.

To a question about a report published in an American magazine listing Pakistan amongst failed states, the US Under Secretary of State said on the basis of his interaction with Pakistan and the American business community that Pakistan is opposite of the failed state.

He said the economy of Pakistan is booming and performing well on all fronts. He said there are some challenges but Pakistan has the capability, leadership and necessary policies to keep the economic progress moving ahead. He said the views expressed in the magazines have nothing to do with the official policy of the United States.

To a question he said there is no timeframe for signing of the Bilteral Investment Treaty and presently the two countries are resolving some of the issues involved. He said signing of the treaty would convey to the world that investments in Pakistan enjoy best possible treatment and legal protection.

The US Under Secretary told a questioner that Pakistan’s exports enjoy open access to the United States. Pakistan’s exports to the US grew from 2.9 billion dollars in 2004 to 3.3 billion dollars in 2005, showing a ten percent increase. He pointed out that last year, the United States had a trade deficit of two billion dollars with Pakistan.

He said the Pakistan-US economic and trade ties are moving in the right direction.

To a question he said there is enormous potential for US investment in Pakistan. He said his advice to the American enterpreneurs would be that if they are serious global companies they must be serious about Pakistan.

Re: Why is Pakistan a "Failed State"?

without turning this into an afghan pakistan issue.....the sad thing is most predict a brighter future for afghanistand no future for pakistan

why pakistan which has EVERY damn reason to be a very successful state but it has failed is the real issue.........the governinign of this country is just a sorry state of affairs.........i suppose this is what heppens when we bend our every wish to america...........where was india on the list......does anyone have india positiinning?

Re: Why is Pakistan a “Failed State”?

I guess India was 94 on the list

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The question is which Pakistan are you talking about? Is it the original Pakistan founded by Quaid-e-Azam or Pakistan after 1971 which was originally West Pakistan stabilized by ZAB. (that was also verge collapse at that time)

Pakistan founded by Quad-e-Azam is no longer existing, when majority of Pakistanis (East Pakistanis) opted out and formed a new country Bengla Desh. Pakistan was proved failure in 1971.

Present Pakistan is again on verge of collapse at any time. The binding force is Army supported by Uncle Sam. The moment that support is gone, Pakistan crumbled with in no time guaranteed. Unless present government turn around its policies of involving army in politics and give up dictatorship for a democracy in the country.

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What a report! and what great findings. I am very optimistic of the effects this report is gonna produce.

-MMA is already claiming to have the base and support to produce a nepal like revolution (yeah right :hehe: )

  • opposition vocalisits are continously whinning about this report since then and having field days on regular basis. Chalo kuch tu bolnay ko mila.

So when are we replacing sudan? next month?

Re: Why is Pakistan a "Failed State"?

I sincerely dont believe that the biggest reason for our problems is U.S.,its our own rusty system,be it bureacratic,judicial,political.

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Wet dreams of Kabuli Kommies and their Bharati masters.

Oh Baboo raam! Put your money where your mouth is. Oh well beggers don't have money. They just suck (like leaches).

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Failed State? Yes, but for other reasons
by Abid Ullah Jan
(Monday May 22 2006)

"To remove any leftover doubts about Pakistan being a failed state, news reports from the New York Times and the Washington Post are pouring in, alleging that Al-Qaeda is regrouping in Pakistan and that ISI supports the Taliban and Kashmiri “insurgents.” As a “pre-modern” state, Pakistan is thus considered as weak enough “even to secure its home territory…but it can provide a base for non-state actors who may represent a danger to the post-modern world.”

Musharraf regime is feeling jittery since the American journal Foreign Policy has put Pakistan in the top ten failing states. Peter Preston called Pakistan a basket case in the Guardian. The minister for press at the Pakistan High Commission in U.K., Imran Gardezi’s response has become a classic example of defending the indefensible on this issue.

Pakistan, of course, is a failing state, but not based on the indicators used by the American journal Foreign Policy. It will definitely fail if the present trends continued. However, the life threatening trends have nothing to do with the criteria set for Pakistan’s failure by the Western analysts. Moreover, Musharraf is not the root cause of this failure. He is just a factor, becoming the last straw on the camel’s back. Even a successful defence of General Musharraf’s policies can hardly save Pakistan for the impending disasters.

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Pakistan ranking mentioned in ‘US Foreign Policy magazine’ as failed state, going from 34th last year to 9th this year, did not really gave me information regarding Pakistan and surprises or worries on Pakistan deterioration but it only exposed the integrity, ignorance and bias analysis this magazine have. To me, this magazine has shown not the deterioration of Pakistan but showed the worth of the analysis and reporting in this magazine that is nothing but farce. BBC news giving importance to that ranking show that when it comes to propaganda, even BBC is not too far behind, making farce of their integrity.

From the BBC news reporting:

 //news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4964934.stm

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Pakistan***'s 'plunge'*
Pakistan moved from 34th last year to ninth in the new report - one of the sharpest changes in the overall score of any country on the list.
The contributing factors were Pakistan's inability to police the tribal areas near the Afghan border, the devastating earthquake last October in Kashmir and rising ethnic tensions, the report said.

Contributing factors were:

Cause one: Pakistan’s inability to police the tribal areas near Afghan border:

Was that factors not present last year?
Answer is that this factor was present last year too.

If this factor was present last year then, is Pakistan more able to police this area last year than this year?

Answer is that the situation has improved. Certainly, policing situation has not become worse this year than what it was last year.

In the past, there was no policing of this area from Pakistan (so, it was much worse). Pakistan government has started to bring Pakistan government writ in this area after 9/11. Situation is also improving and it has improved this year over last year. So how can this factor contribute adversely, causing of deterioration in Pakistan ranking?

[On the other hand, do they take policing situation in Assam, Kashmir and other part of India in accessing Indian ranking as failed state?]

Note: All those Bull-Sh*t crap regarding Taliban, Al-Qaeda regrouping or problems relating to Taliban/Al-Qaeda was all there last year and nothing changed over this one year to justify it as excuse for deteriorating the ranking of Pakistan from 34th to 9th.

*Cause two: Devastating earthquake last October in Kashmir: *

Magazine using this factor as excuse for deteriorating Pakistan ranking as failed states is more ridiculous then anything.

In 2004, there was huge earthquake in Indian Ocean causing Tsunami around the region, devastating Indonesia and effecting India, Sri Lanka etc. I wonder that magazine took Tsunami of 2004 into account when ranking Indonesia, India or Sri Lanka, in making these countries as failed state.

Well, numbers of devastating hurricanes strike USA every year. I wonder if these hurricanes affect American ranking as failed state.

** On the other hand, from what I can see, response of the people from all over Pakistan, people that were of diverse ethnicity belonging to different provinces, towards the earthquake in Kashmir and northern area, shows that Pakistan instead of failed state is much united and successful state.**

*Comparing the indifference response by the people of USA towards American hurricane victims (when looting became norm) or indifference response of Indians towards Indian Tsunami victims or Kashmiri earthquake victims on Indian side contrast the response of Pakistanis where people seems to be eager in every way to help the victims. *

Just imagine that Hunza had magnitude of 6.2 earthquakes in December 1974 and many dies (officially 5300 killed and 17000 injured, though figures during those days were ridiculously underestimated and since media was controlled, no one use to know or could have questioned). Bhutto government completely censured most of the news, enough that many Pakistanis do not even know about that earthquake. What happened then? Very few people all over Pakistan even knew or realized how devastating that earthquake was and certainly, there was no mobilization or feeling of belonging as it happened this time. It shows that today, Pakistan is more integrated and involved as one nation, making the state a successful state rather failed state (thanks to the present government that is trying to bring people togeather).

*Cause three: Rising ethnic tensions: *

*Again, the ethnic tension last year was worse then this year. It is improving every year. Since President Musharaf came to power, ethnic tension has gone down. Much before 9/11 President Musharaf banned sectarian parties and is trying to bring harmony amongst different sects. So how can ethnic tensions could deteriorate Pakistan ranking from 34th last year to 9th this year? *

On contrast, India is infected with riots and tensions, such as Hindu-Muslim riots, Hindu-Christian riots, Hindu-Sikhs riots, Hindu caste riots, communists-High caste Hindu riots, Naxalites riots in the name of class war … etc.

American ethnic tension, where White (WASP) discrimination against blacks (and others), discrimination to a level of riot against Muslims, tensions against Mexicans, KKK willing to lynch anyone who is not Anglo-Saxon white etc seems worse divided then Pakistan.

So, all the indications they mentioned seems to be better this year then last year and still that farce magazine pushed Pakistan to 9th from 34th.

Apart of above factors there are many other factors that give indication that Pakistan is not only becoming a very successful state year after year but has improved a lot even during last one year.

Some Improvement over the past few years:

Stock market has increased substantially (it was 1200 in 1999, now it is 11000). Pakistan stocks index increased by over 56 percent during last one year. Is that a sign of a failed state?

[Last year this time (23rd May 2005):
Karachi** Stocks down 315.87 points** KARACHI, May 23: At close of trading the KSE-100 index was at 6984.22, down 315.87 points from Friday’s close. (Bureau Report) (Updated @ 14:30 PST)
This year today (23rd May 2006):
Karachi** Stocks down 7.25 points:** KARACHI, May 23:At 11:00 PST The KSE-100 index was at 10923.30 , down 7.25 points. (Bureau Report) (Updated @ 11:00 PST)
It shows that stock market has increased by over 56 percent in one year (from 6984 last year to 10923 this year)].

Stable exchange rate: Is it a sigh of a failed state?
[Let see the exchange rate. Pakistan was a country when rupee use to devalue almost every year but it has actually got revalued in open market since Musharaf came to power.
Last year today (23rd May 2005)
Forex update KARACHI, May 23: The Pakistani Rupee was traded at Rs 60.65 to the US Dollar in the open market. (Bureau Report) (Updated @ 14:30 PST)
This year today (23rd May 2006):
Forex update: KARACHI, May 23: The Pakistani Rupee was traded at Rs 60.47 to the US Dollar in the open market. (Bureau Report) (Updated @ 11:00 PST)]

GDP has increased 8.35 percent last year and expectation is that it would increase by another 7 percent this year.

Per capita income has increased substantially, gone to 735 dollars and would go to over 800 dollars this year (most likely, it would be around 825 dollars).

Dollar reserve has gone up to over 13 billion first time in history.

Debt to GDP ration has become much better.

Export and Import has both increased substantially.

Deficit financing has reduced.

Industrial output has increased by 12.5 percent last year and is expected similar increase this year.

Pakistan communication industry had the highest growth rate in the world during last one year. At present, there are 35 million mobile phone subscribers in Pakistan and expectation is that it will increase to over 75 million subscribers by 1978. Is that a sign of failed state?

New car sale, that was languishing around 40000 units when President Musharaf came to power is expected to reach 200000 this year, that is 500 percent increase. Is that a sign of failed state?

Property prices at places have increased substantially too, a sign of booming economy. Cement consumption has increase over 500 percent during President Musharraf rule, showing activity in construction industry. Obviously, there cannot be construction boom in a failed state, or could be?

Well, story is same regarding most consumer goods, including motorcycle, fridge, freezers, telephone, computer, bicycle, television or anything one mention. One think of a thing [from food, clothing, cement (for houses) to durable goods] and one would find that consumption is increasing in leap and bound. If one look at service and recreation sectors one see improvement too, like telephone land connection, mobile telephone subscription, variety of TV channels, various radio stations, different hotels and restaurants, parks, roads, water availability in different areas, policing, judiciary, media freedom, information availability etc, anything one think of there is improvement, development or work going on for improvement or development. This shows that standard of people are increasing fast (though demands are always for more). So, is that sign of failed state?

*Certainly, all the improvements mentioned above and many more improvements that are not mentioned, even in comparison to last year figures, shows that Pakistan over the last year or even comparing to any past years since independence, is successful and considerably improved as nation, rather deteriorated as mentioned in that magazine.
*

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^^ agree with you bro.
there is not a single parameter that has become worst than last year, so who was blind folded fool made this report moving from its list place from 34 to 9th.

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What is more striking, than whether Pakistan is in a better position that last year on not, is why Pakistan is continually on the brink of failure. The state is constantly teetering on the edge and never manages to pull itself away from chaos. Perpetual martial rule, static "front line" state, economy that is kept afloat by aid, and an unwillingness by the populus to take charge. Pakistan remains the only country in history where a majority sought freedom from a minority.
Forget about a silly report. Why not take the same initiative that Pakistan has shown in launching jihads and fix the economy? Why not look for strategic depth in within its own boundaries?

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As for the ranking, Durrani sahib (our information minister) gave this information in one of the TV program that, this ranking could be the result of bribing the magazine by AAZ and BB, with their ill-earned looted money, as they are feeling heat of corruption charges and Swiss court convictions. I believe that there could be lot of truth what Durrani sahib said and it shows how even western magazine could be bribed. It also shows how low these corrupt thugs could go.

When I see the face of NS, BB, AAZ and most of their cronies, believe me, it looks like that they have phitkaar on their face (there face is blackened by their sins). True, faces of many in ruling PML (Q) group look as corrupt as faces of PPP (deceptive mistress) and PML (Ganja sardar) but seems that people in PML (Q) are little thief (chota choors).

Regarding Pakistan as being first or the only country in the history (as mentioned by ‘Nameinuse’! Hmmmmm well, something is true there regarding Pakistan being only country in history, but in what? Pakistan is only country in the world in many aspects. Some of them are as follows:

Pakistan is the only state in the world that had civilian took over the power from an army general and became chief martial law administrator (AKA Z A Bhutto).

Pakistan is the only state in the world where a majority party of the country (Awami Leagie that had 160 out of Pakistan 300 combined National Assembly seats) was declared a traitor by a minority party (PPP that had 81 out of 300 seats).

This happened, even though that party (AL) put candidate from all over Pakistan (162 from east Pak and 10 from west), securing some votes from each provinces (though winning 160 out of 162 East Pakistan seats and no west Pakistan seats). AL also had alliances with other West Pakistan based parties. Whereas, the party (PPP) that had only 81 out of 300 seats in the national assembly put 120 candidate in west Pakistan (winning 81 out of 138 west Pakistan seats) and did not put a single candidate in East Pakistan, nor had any alliance with any party, was declared as patriotic. The selfishness leader of this party (ZAB), having desire of only power at all cost sacrificed half of Pakistan with the help of his contact in the government (and army), contact that he developed during the course of him being in Ayub cabinet calling Ayub Khan ‘Daddy’.

://w_w.ghazali.net/book1/body_chapter_5.htm

Proposal was moved by Poland in UN Security Council that war should stop and army should return, things should return to status-co and political settlement between AL and Pak government should be made. Bhutto (realizing that in such situation his ambition to rule Pakistan would never come true) ‘shouting that we will fight for 1000 years’ torn the proposal and made a journey back to Pakistan, where during this time, Pakistan surrendered and as Bhutto landed, cronies of Bhutto made sure that Bhutto was made ‘world first civilian martial law administrator’. Thus, Bhutto selfishness and power hunger at all cost, caused breakup of Pakistan.

Pakistan is the only state in the world that have political parties rotates round personalities like PML (X) or PPP (X).

Pakistan is the only state in the world where democratic parties have dictatorship within them and one person due to family lineage or patronage could become lifetime chairperson of the party.

Pakistan is the only state in the world that has two ex-prime ministers (Ganja-NS and mistress queen-BB) who during each other rein and even during their own rein, kept giving world press numerous stories, all related to their corruption, smuggling, commissions, atrocities, suppression of press, extra-judicial killings and political victimization (to the extend of killing blood brother).

Pakistan is the only state in the world where even corrupts can get re-elected whatever the situation.

Pakistan is the only state in the world where political parties and individuals rely more on propaganda then reality (as most are idiotically biased).

True, Pakistan is ‘the only country in the world ’ that is … :naraz:

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Sa1eem, these are perfect examples of how and why Pakistan is continually on the brink of failure. Never pulling itself far enough away to fix what ails the country.

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I think the report has no standing but still there are a lot of things that need to be done:

1) Mush boy should retire and conduct general elections.. We are strong and powerful but we need awam and army to decide which direction we should go.

2) They should make a constitutional amendment barring army from taking over.
3) We should kick these jaahil afghanis outta our country.
4) We should invest in Islam. We should open more universities and colleges to spread the education and teachings of Islam. Islam is our base and we wouldn't do better by adopting western style of living.

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The anti-Pakistan hatred of all these Indians and undercover Indians posting under the guise of Muslims/Pakistanis absolutely sucks. Totally stinks. Sick stuff. And these are the same people who're bent upon justifying Gujrat and all the other genocides taking place in India, it just goes to prove how essential it was to create Pakistan.

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:k:
you got it right…it’s proactive thinking: to make something happen you believe first, then it happens!:blush: (inshallah)

if pakistani keeks on thinking there is no hope in pak and all my hopes are abraod :halo:…nothing will improve, nothing will change in the right direction:hoonh:…

but if people start to believe pakistan is a nice place, and they want to do a little good there…things will improve and pakistan will go up that scale …inshallah

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Pakistan is not a failed state, but it had failed the people of Pakistan, and the state keeps on doing that with out impunity. Tell me of one thing which you are proud of in our judicial system, Police system, administration, welfare, education, health, infrastructure, taxation, banking, water supply, electricity supply, all functions of the state, name one function of the state which delivered?. For 59 years the poor and the ordinary has been living on hope, and even that hope is fading away. It’s very easy to sing praises of the current administration sitting in the west and hurrahing on big numbers presented by the state. It’s a different reality on the ground in Pakistan.

Its a shame that even the SC of Pakistan agreed that the laws in Pakistan are just meant for and implemented upon the "poor" those who have no resources and connections. Isn’t this an admission of failure? Remember when the public accounts committee and the NAB was stopped from investigating the Sugar crisis few months ago, that’s a sign of failing the ordinary citizens of Pakistan. What about when people are caught for steeling daal from a grocery store, is this a sign of hope? What about ordinary people loosing their lives for drinking state provided tab water? Or children getting sick since all the sewage is dumped in to a canal? Do you believe that our government doesn’t have the brains or the resources to help the people of Pakistan? No, it has all that, but it lacks the will to help the ordinary Pakistani, that my dear is the failure of the state.

It’s a shame that we react so vigorously when an Indian or some one else tries to demean Pakistan, but its even more shameful when we don’t react to the acts of our own state against ordinary Pakistani citizens.

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There is very very very very little hope Pakistan will make a smooth transition from a radical Islamist, unitary, and authoritarian/oligarchic (ruled by a military oligarchy) state to a liberal, genuinely federal, and democratic state. As for the economic boom, that is only temporary due to heavy foreign aid after 9/11. Almost all institutions have decayed...legislative, judiciary, and executive are useless adjuncts and rubber stamps to the powerful miltary...

USSR was far more strong, a super power and a permanent member of security council with that 4 million Red Army and stock piles of those lethal arms...but all that give it only an outer facade of strength...

Zakk man, you are wrong...This is not Cold War era...the protective umbrella Cold War security and strategic configuration of the world offered is gone with the end of Cold War in 1990...

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[To me, even if Pakistan would become Paradise (and most advance nation in the world), it is possible that they might put Pakistan as number one failed state in the list if it would suit them. Please read my earlier mail.

Actually, west want democracy in Pakistan because it is easy to buy/bribe politicians with few million dollars and difficult to buy/bribe a general (as they are bombarded all their life to be patriotic). Regardless, it is more difficult to buy/bribe a straightforward patriotic and uncorrupt general like Musharaf.

Note: This is first time in the history of Pakistan that government has kept their option of alliances open. They are flirting with Russia (President Musharaf is the first Pakistan head of state that ever visited Russia) and China along with USA. Recently, Shaikh Rashid (as spokesman of government and information minister) made statement that if Pakistan would need to choose between China and a country at war with China then Pakistan would side with China (The answer was to the question on USA trying to surround China).

Recently, Pakistan has decided to give a safe fuel transport corridor to China, against the liking of USA. Pakistan adamant to sign gas supply deal with Iran and bringing China in Gawder port is also something seems to antagonizing USA. In the past, Russia was a country in enemy camp, China was ally but USA was master. Thus, all this ranking and demanding democracy and shedding of uniform from west along with asking Pakistan to negotiate with past corrupts (NS and BB) is obvious].

Regarding above mail, trying to sell that Pakistan boom is result of 9/11 …. Well, much better statement would have been that due to Pakistan allowing America to use their air space, intelligence cooperation and few bases to kick Taliban, Pakistan got boom. Well, Taliban were not such a big thing for USA to make Tora Bora of them. USA got directly involved in fighting against Taliban and with the help of Northern Alliance in Afghanistan, was doing own dirty work of kicking Taliban, that they did within few weeks.

If that could give boom to Pakistan, Pakistan should have seen a mega boom during Zia time when it took 10 years to kick Russia out of Afghanistan. At that time, Pakistan was not just helping USA indirectly, through intelligence, air space and few bases, but Pakistan was directly fighting the war against Russia and Afghan government for USA (and USA was involved from behind the scene only). If one believes that 9/11 is the cause of Pakistan present boom, then Russian/Afghan war (Zia fought) should have made Pakistan a very developed country (like Japan).

So, what happened during Zia time? Few generals, politicians, bureaucrats and some businessmen made money that they transferred abroad while Pakistan got gun culture, sectarian violence, destabilization, afghan refugees (many started getting involved in crimes) and very little in development.

 The reality is that, Pakistan trade suffered due to 9/11 as Pakistan uses foreign ships for trade and insurance premium on all Pakistan trade gone up (something that did not happen during Afghan war, due to American interest). Pakistan growth rate during that financial year was very low because of 9/11. Other political factors also contributed in lower growth rate as mentally retarded people were on the road shouting, burning, committing suicide and dancing like junglees, scaring business activities in the country. 

As for dollar reserve, even before 9/11 Pakistan dollar reserve went to 4 billion dollars, highest ever in Pakistan history. That happened despite the situation that just two year before 9/11, under Nawaz government, Pakistan was near to bankruptcy. Then when Musharaf took over, world became against Pakistan and put all sort of sanctions. Commonwealth suspended Pakistan membership and USA President was not even willing to visit Pakistan even for a short while.

The reason Pakistan reserve is high is not 9/11, but because Pakistan receives lot of dollar remittances every year. It is corrupts who buy those dollar remittances with their ill-gotten wealth and send the dollars abroad. The reason for the increase in reserve is reduction of corruption and thus corrupt money not chasing those remittances. Pakistan reserve is only increasing because corruption is decreasing, nothing else.

Just imagine that Pakistan officially have over 5 million Pakistanis working abroad (Pakistanis that have Pakistani identity card). It is unbelievable that these Pakistanis only use to send 1 billion dollars as remittances (before Musharaf came to power). That comes to 200 dollars a year per Pakistani worker abroad (or on average less then 17 dollar a month per worker).

I believe that conservative remittance is somewhere around 15 billion dollar (average of 3000 dollar per worker per year). That was same before Musharaf took over and it is same now. Before Musharaf, corrupts use to buy those dollar remittances with their corrupt money and use to move those dollar abroad. That use to put lot of pressure on dollars demand, increasing the value of dollar in Pakistan open market. When corruption started reducing in Pakistan, this demand of dollar in open market started drying up (it is the first result of Musharaf crackdown on corruption). When demand started reducing, dollar value in open market started going down and taking advantage of that, Pakistan government started buying some of those dollars. What I believe that even now, huge remitted dollars is fleeing Pakistan as corrupts moving their years of accumulated corruption money. I believe that even now corruption exists in Pakistan (though much less then before).

As for effect on remittance due to 9/11, that is more a myth then reality. If there is any increase due to 9/11, that is superficial. I believe that as crackdown on corruption would increase and corruption level would decrease, Pakistan will see reduction in dollar value and more increase in dollar reserve, as I believe the remittance should be at least 15 billion dollars. [Note: India receives around 30 billion dollar in remittance and Bangladesh is receiving over 5 billion dollars in remittance, while even now Pakistan is languishing behind with official remittance of 4 billion dollars, when most likely, there are as many Pakistanis if not more, working abroad as Indian].

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^ Ah, you don't have to worry about what they say about Pak.. The ground realities are very different, we are far from a failed state not even close. One of the key criteria of a failed state is when there is mass starvation.... Depending what yard stick you use there are reports that amreeka is a failed state.