Good post, Islamabad.
My mother is Yousafzai and dad is not pakhtun. However, I have come across a lot of Afghani's, and mash'Allah have had very good relations with them. The ones who were more into their deen appreciated the fact that we had Islam in common and the ones who were not so into their deen appreciated the fact that we have some heritage in common.
This Zeeshan guy claims to be a Yousufzai but doesn't seem to know that Yousufzais consider themselves the most blue blooded Pakhtuns among all Pakhtun tirbes. The Yousufzais even look down on Durranis saying that Durranis are persianized Pakhtuns.
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*Originally posted by Zeeshan: *
I dont understand this part ... can you clarify?
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Hahahaha
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*Originally posted by Zeeshan: *
I dont understand this part ... can you clarify?
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So I take it you are a Pathan and not a Pakhtun.
I think you should leave it here and make your way. You have to first come to terms with what a Yousafzai is, then come to term with what an Afghan is and then come to term with what a Pakhtun is.
As a Pakhtun from bara Pakhtunkhwa, historically and linage wise I can here right now declare all Yousafzai as Afghans and not Pakhtuns. I can support it both with historical facts, family trees, forefather names etc. etc. Both the Yousafzai Sajra (family tree) and tareekh proves that. Yousafzai consider them selves Afghanan, before they consider themselves Pakhtun.
On the other hand the tribes of bara Pakhtunkhwa, Waziri, Bannuchis, Khatak, Afridi, Shinwari, Bangash, Orakzai, Mashud, Mangal and other tribes of Paktia, Paktika first consider themselves Pakhtuns then they consider themselves Afghan which is because they preserve the Pakthunwali. Why is that? Well because these tribes bore the Afghan name, they gave birth to Afghan. These are much older tribes, and it is from them that the call for Pakhtunistan came, because in reality, just like the Kurds, these people are still without a nation of their own.
Here are some poems of Khushal Khan Khattak Baba:
“I alone am concerned for my nations’s honour
The Yusufzais are at ease, tilling their fields”
“No great deed will be wrought by the Pathans,
Heaven ordains that petty should be their achievement;
I seek to set them straight, they straighten not;
Crooked is the vision of the ill-intentioned.
No regard have the Yusufazis for Pakhtu (Pakhtunwali)
Get you gone from these disgraced Pakhtuns, Khushal!”
These poems come after he made request to Yusufazai to join with him under the call of Pakhtun and Pakhtunwali against the Moghuls, though they didn’t, and when later on Ahmed Shah Baba made the same call under the name of Afghan, they did.
So before you speak against "Afghani" people, make sure you are not spitting on your face.
Pa meena
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*Originally posted by shawaiz: *
This Zeeshan guy claims to be a Yousufzai but doesn't seem to know that Yousufzais consider themselves the most blue blooded Pakhtuns among all Pakhtun tirbes. The Yousufzais even look down on Durranis saying that Durranis are persianized Pakhtuns.
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That is exactly my point!! I don't know why you think I am saying something otherwise!!
but look at what Suri is saying ...
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As a Pakhtun from bara Pakhtunkhwa, historically and linage wise I can here right now declare all Yousafzai as Afghans and not Pakhtuns. I can support it both with historical facts, family trees, forefather names etc. etc. Both the Yousafzai Sajra (family tree) and tareekh proves that. Yousafzai consider them selves Afghanan, before they consider themselves Pakhtun.
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This is news to me Sultan Suri. As far as I know ... we are the most purest of the pure puktoons among all tribes.
Yousafzais are also considered to be the most educated and high classed pukthoons. Maybe envy is getting to you?
Purest of the puktoons? I think you mean Pakhtuns or Pukhtoons.
Kha nu bya Pakhtu ke khabaray kawa kana ashna, pure matlab da safa, singy safa ye che Pakhtu manday na poehay ge?
I don’t wish to make this a war between Yosufzai or me, I just stated the facts. Kid, you need to know more about your history before you can come here and preach people about Pakhtuns.
Yousafzais are also considered to be the most educated and high classed pukthoons. Maybe envy is getting to you?
I think you made a grave mistake when you started this thread, now you made another one by stating that. It speaks for it self, though one can only speak to the capacity of his/her mental level.
Answer me this, what value is education when one doesn’t know his own history and past? What value is class when you can’t speak or understand your own mother tongue?
I have seen a lot these posh type "Pathans" who even marry their daughters to Christians just to fit in “Class”. They marry their daughters to Hindu Bollywood actors just to fit in “class”. But always, and I mean always boost their PATHANYAT.
Before you embarrass the Youzafzai qoom any further, stop.
p.s. Take my Pakhtu lines and ask someone in your family who speak Pashto or understand Pashto what they mean.
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*Originally posted by Sultan Suri: *
Purest of the puktoons? I think you mean Pakhtuns or Pukhtoons.
Kha nu bya Pakhtu ke khabaray kawa kana ashna, pure matlab da safa, singy safa ye che Pakhtu manday na poehay ge?
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Khushal Khan Khattak is a Khattak and since Khattaks are against Yousafzai and there were a number of fights between the two I don't think we can go by his poems.
Yes I can understand what you say in pakhto but whats the point in replying in pukhto? ... this thread is meant to be read by all!
But a lot of EDUCATED Yusufazai quote his poetry all the time :- )
No..reply to me in Pakhto ashna, its okay, don’t worry about the others, but heck, forget about replying in Pakhto, answer what I have stated in Pakhto in English at least.
First of all, I am myself a pakhtun (yosufzai) hailing from Mardan region. Furthermore, my great grandparent was the khan of Ismailia controlling a huge area during the time of the British. He passed away fighting the British when they tried to take over his lands.
LOL GOD, if I had a penny every time I heard that :- )
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I have seen a lot these posh type "Pathans" who even marry their daughters to Christians just to fit in “Class”. They marry their daughters to Hindu Bollywood actors just to fit in “class”. But always, and I mean always boost their PATHANYAT.
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I am not going to insult you the way you are trying to insult me my friend. People marrying their daughters to get class are found in Khattacks, Afridis and for that matter Punjabis too but does that mean their tribe or ethnicity is like that as a whole! If you believe otherwise then I am afraid we can’t discuss this issue any longer.
Think about what you say first before you say it! As I mentioned before, Yousafzai are the most educated and sensible pukhtoons. We care for Islam first and its laws and after that pukthanwali. Pukhtunwali is not greater in status than Islam even though it predates it.
As for historical reference:
Khakai and Ghori were brothers and Yousafzais are the descendants of Khakai. Along with Gigyanis and Turklays, Yousafzai hail from Khandahar which lies in Afghanistan. During the 1600's Yousafzai moved to the area now in Pakistan.
What is wrong with what I said? After four centuries are we still Afghan citizens in your eyes?
Why stop there then? Why not go back even further? There was no Afghanistan thousands of years ago so are we Persian then? Or are we the Jews from Israel who moved to Persia/Afghanistan thousands of years ago?
By your logic we should all be considered Israelis then?
Totally Irrational!
The point I was trying to make is that we find ourselves in Pakistan, which mind you we ourselves choose to be part of during the partition. We should respect the laws of the land and work together to make the country prosper. Is that too much to ask?
hahaha you are a funny character.
I didn't insult you, but you did insult me when you stated that Yusufzai are the purest and "Yousafzais are also considered to be the most educated and high classed pukthoons. Maybe envy is getting to you?"
What does that imply?
You might be the first Yousafzai that I came across doesn’t preach his Pakhtunyat or Afghanyat, though all the Yousafzai that I have met are proud of being Afghan, they press upon the Afghan image more then the Pakhtun, further they look down on Durranis (founders of the nation of Afghanistan), as they (Yousafzai) proclaim to be the "real" and true Afghans.
What is wrong with what I said? After four centuries are we still Afghan citizens in your eyes?
I never said that you are still an Afghan citizen. You fail to see that Afghanistan didn’t exist nor Pakistan existed about some 300 years ago, but you and the entire qoom was and technically both historically and ethnically still are “Afghan Pakhtuns”. There is no difference between the two that is my point. You coming here trying to divide the two groups can be seen as a threat to our linage, a distortion of our history. Today we might live in two different countries but we are the same people. If two Punjabi nations can try to come to terms with each other after so much was lost, and with their biggest difference their religion, then why make difference between the two Pakhtuns when we have the same religion, same language, same culture, same heritage, and live on the SAME LAND as we did for hundreds of years even though now two different countries stand in our face?
Those hoodlums and thugs are still our own, even though some Afghans personally not so long ago happen to inflict some damage on my family, I still consider them my own. I’m not ignorant to that, at least I try not. I don’t stop myself from looking beyond that and you shouldn’t also.
Your case against them is based on personal experiences, when it comes to personal experiences in rational terms they don’t mean jack.
and please, don't bring in Islam, its a no win case when it comes to Wana and Waziristan. Remember if you are Muslim first like you said, then it is your duty to defend the Muslims first rather then think of Pakistani interests.
btw, isn't that what your thread is all about, Pakistani interest rather then Muslim interest? Go ahead, eat your words back, spin them around, and then come back, I'll be ready.
Like I said, you made a grave mistake by starting this thread.
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Aryan, toll Pakhtuneh Afghan de, kho Awal Pakhtuneh de bya Afghan de. Da Afghan nama Pakhtun la raghlay wa, Awal Pakhtun wo bya Afghan sho. Da Afghan noom sirf da zar (1000) kaal omaar da, da Pakhtun noom penz zara (5000) kala omaar da.
Poey she? Awal Pakhtun wo, bya Afghan.
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Saye da Grana, khu AFGHAN nom zar (1000) zor nadai, da AFGHAN nom da duwa nem zaro (2500) kalo zor dai, masara ketab dai pa haghey kee yee sabot karai. DARIUS THE GREAT ka pezhaney, no biya ba de AFGHAN nom da aghey pa SHAHNAMA ke awredalai wee. manam che PASHTUN da 5000 kalo na zor dai, kho biya AFGHAN aw Pashtun dwara yaw mana da, no zaka ka sog mongta PASHTUN ya AFGHAN owaye hes farq nashta.
ARYAN + AFGAHAN + PASHTUN = Pashtun :)
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On the other hand the tribes of bara Pakhtunkhwa, Waziri, Bannuchis, Khatak, Afridi, Shinwari, Bangash, Orakzai, Mashud, Mangal and other tribes of Paktia, Paktika first consider themselves Pakhtuns then they consider themselves Afghan which is because they preserve the Pakthunwali. Why is that? Well because these tribes bore the Afghan name, they gave birth to Afghan. These are much older tribes, and it is from them that the call for Pakhtunistan came, because in reality, just like the Kurds, these people are still without a nation of their own.
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Da toley kabiley da BALKH na 4500 zara kala pa khwa dey nanenai ilako ta raghaley. zma pa nazar tol SUCHA dey, aw da ham mana che da dey zayo AFGHANAN sucha patey shawee, zaka ma pakhpala ledaley, doi such a PAKHTU waye aw der PASHTUNWAL dey.
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Khushal Khan Khattak is a Khattak and since Khattaks are against Yousafzai and there were a number of fights between the two I don't think we can go by his poems.
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Zeeshan Gul saye yaye, zaka che doi zakht dushman wal yaw bal sara, de lapara da Khushal Baba mlatar yee onaka, aw Ahmad Baba sara da doi kam kabailey jang nawo shawai no zaka yee pa mla shwal.
Sultana Da yaw tso aksona dey khas sta de para, za Mangalo ta lar wom duwa kal pa khwa, inshallah dey kal ta bia zam.
Mangal Dara
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dey yaw ke PAKOL wala za yam … : )
Mangal dara
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again Pakol wala me..
Kotal Satey Kandao
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enjoy the beauty of PashtunKhwa
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ummm i dont understand a word of the last two posts 
^^
I know right 
My driver is pathan 
so I think I should take printouts of this thread and ask him to translate these posts for us sadzzz 
Hmm Suri Aryan out of courtesy to everyone else when using pakhtu please post a translation
Mehrbani
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That is exactly my point!! I don't know why you think I am saying something otherwise!!
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You didn't get my point.
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but look at what Suri is saying ...
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Suri knows what he is talking about.
Suri Jana, cherta wrak yee, yar ka taa naraze no biya da dey ze khwad tsa dai..
'hapa yem darpasey zma Pashtun Wrora.