well i met a elderly pakhtoon man who was from peshwar when he migrated to india, he said that there was a difference between the pathans of nwfp and the pathans of hazara.
can some one throw some light
I don’t think that people from Hazara are Pakhtoon 
They are a different ethnic group known as the Hazara.
The Word pathans is a bit of a misnomer, anyone who claims pathan ancestry is a pathan. Which makes a sizable population in Pakistan and India. In NWFP you have a sizable hindko speaking population, many of whom claim pashtun ancestry, most of the hindko speakers are from the Hazara belt, Peshawar city and Kohat city... even so Pashtun/Pakhtuns represent a majority of the population of NWFP and are the biggest ethnic group(if not a majority) in Hazara as well...
You are confusing the Hazara division of NWFP with the Hazara people of Afghanistan. In the NWFP province Hzara is the name of one of its divsion comprising two districts namely Abbottabad and Mansehra. Mostly Pakhtoons and Hindko speaking people are living there. Whereas in Afghanistan the Hazaras are an ethinic group, apparently the descendants of the Mongol army.
Now I'm confused.
Hazara is a lovely part of the country, up towards dardar past Shinkiari and the black mountains. Most people speak both pashto/Hindko along with a smattering of pari punjabi in these parts. All speak the universal language of the bullet though :d
Dhulfiqar, you didn’t make sense.
The term Pathan was used by Indians for ethnic Afghans or ethnic Pashtun/Pakhtuns. This term has a vulgar/derogatory sense to it. It basically meant/means someone who is vengeful, warmongering, with a criminal mentality and someone with a rebellious nature. This attitude of the Indians towards the Pathans has been admitted by many Indian scholars such as Eknath Easwaran in his book Nonviolent Soldier of Islam. The term was later propagated by the British who further painted the Pakhtuns/Afghans as “savage beasts”, “black panthers”, and “pack of wild wolves” after their many unfortunate experiences with the Warziri and Mahsuds tribesmen on the Afghan/Pak border (though later many British scholars who fell in love with the people and their culture wrote greatly of the Afghans/Pakhtuns).
All that negative publicity in return had a positive out come, because as we all know, people love bad boys, they are fascinated by them. Later on, the term became of something which was held in high esteem by the people of the region. The Pathan became famous for their rebellious attitude towards the British. Many people now feel proud of the term Pathan, so one can argue that the Pathan of the past is not the same Pathan of the present day. The past Pathan for the Indians and the British was a savage beast that was looked upon as backstabbing uncivilized hills man, and the Pathan of the present is considered brave, hospitable, proud and overly religious Muslim.
Noticing that the status of the Pathan grew as a brave patriotic nation, many people that had nothing to do with being ethnic Afghans or ethnic Pakhtuns started claiming to be Pathans, just like many people in the region who claimed to be Sayeds, Shiekhs etc though were never relatively related to the ethnic Arabs. This was due to in effect because of the cast type nature of the people and their culture in that region.
So lets make it clear, all Pakhtuns are Pathan (because the term was used for them)- though not all Pathans (now days) are necessarily meant to be ethnic Pakhtuns. They might claim/have ties to Afghanistan i.e the Farsiwan, Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazara. So in India, when many non-Pakhtuns nationals of Afghanistan that settled there claim to be Pathan, but what the actually mean is that they have ties to the Afghan nation. It doesn’t necessarily mean that they are ethnic Pakhtuns i.e Pashto/Pakhto speakers. Unless specifically verified by the individual.
In recent days, many educated Pakhtuns are pushing towards the term Pakhtun and Pashtuns, they denounce the use of the term Pathan for their people.
The term Afghan was also first used to denote ethnic Pakhtuns, though when Afghanistan became a nation, anyone born in that nation claimed the Afghan status. Therefore when an ethnic Tajik, Uzbek is caught doing a wrong in Pakistan, ultimately he is labeled bad Afghani, therefore a bad Pathan and that = a bad Pakhtun. A reason why some Pakistani Pakhtuns don’t want to be associated with the term Afghani.
It is all a one big confusion, the only one thing to blame for all this confusion and many others, the EVIL LINE (Durand line).
^Dhulfiqar; that's a fairly accurate way of putting it..nowadays pashtun/pakhtun implies someone who can speak pashto or pakhtu...while a pathan is someone who claims descent from a pashtun tribe. So you have countless people from Southern Punjab and Sind..as well as as far away as Bangladesh and thailand who claim pathan ancestry. The difference in the end is linguistic, unfortunately people still use the word pathans for all people of pashtun/pakhtun descent, without realising it may offend pashtu/pakhtu speakers.
^Thanks for the info. Quite an informative discussion.
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Dhulfiqar, you didn’t make sense.
The term Pathan was used by Indians for ethnic Afghans or ethnic Pashtun/Pakhtuns.
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Suri Dear... As per my little knowldge.. the term Pee Thoon was used for QAIS (the gr8gran father of all Pakhtoons) by Rasoollallah Salaalaho alaehi wa alihi wasalam.
Quote from IMRAN KHAN's Book "Ghiratman Muslaman "
There he mentioned the history. How Qais comes to know abt Islam and then all the Tribe at the same time accept Islam.
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So lets make it clear, all Pakhtuns are Pathan (because the term was used for them)- though not all Pathans (now days) are necessarily meant to be ethnic Pakhtuns. They might claim/have ties to Afghanistan i.e the Farsiwan, Tajiks, Uzbeks and Hazara.
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Offcourse its correct... Let me give U antoher example which is followed even now adays in Pukhtoon villages...
All the ppl of the Village.. are Pathan... But some of them.. Like wat thay call KASAB DAAAR , PROFESSIONLAS (They who have some Professions Like... Hair cutters and Cooks etc are placed in catagory DAM... Butchers... Qasaab... Masons .. Kregaar.. and the ppl who used to weave clothes or carpets .. wat we call.. JOLAHAY.. its called JOLA)
SO.. As per Pukhtoons... even they are KASAAB DAAR, they are not PUKHTOONS...
^^ I dont know if I explained it or not :D
Taso kho za sama confused kam.
Grana Golden_Scorpion, I think you misread what I wrote. I said the term “Pathan”, not Pakhtoon or Pee Thoon.
All the ppl of the Village.. are Pathan... But some of them.. Like wat thay call KASAB DAAAR , PROFESSIONLAS (They who have some Professions Like... Hair cutters and Cooks etc are placed in catagory DAM... Butchers... Qasaab... Masons .. Kregaar.. and the ppl who used to weave clothes or carpets .. wat we call.. JOLAHAY.. its called JOLA) SO.. As per Pukhtoons... even they are KASAAB DAAR, they are not PUKHTOONS...
Da kha khabara da, mu warta Kasabaan, mosalain, awu bazarwal wayo, kho da khalak de khapal zaan ta Afghan/Pakhtun nasal manee. It is also true that they call themselves Pathans also but in the Pakhtoon society are not accepted as Pakhtoons.
In the Pakhtoon tribal areas, there are Sikhs/Hindus that observe the code of Pakhtoonwali, and they also claim to be of ethnic Pakhtoon or Afghan origins though in the Pakhtoon society they are accepted equal to Pakhtoons but not considered Pakhtoons.
Shahreen Khor (?) jaan, yup its all a big mess :^ )
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Grana Golden_Scorpion, I think you misread what I wrote. I said the term “Pathan”, not Pakhtoon or Pee Thoon.
All the ppl of the Village.. are Pathan... But some of them.. Like wat thay call KASAB DAAAR , PROFESSIONLAS (They who have some Professions Like... Hair cutters and Cooks etc are placed in catagory DAM... Butchers... Qasaab... Masons .. Kregaar.. and the ppl who used to weave clothes or carpets .. wat we call.. JOLAHAY.. its called JOLA) SO.. As per Pukhtoons... even they are KASAAB DAAR, they are not PUKHTOONS...
Da kha khabara da, mu warta Kasabaan, mosalain, awu bazarwal wayo, kho da khalak de khapal zaan ta Afghan/Pakhtun nasal manee. It is also true that they call themselves Pathans also but in the Pakhtoon society are not accepted as Pakhtoons.
In the Pakhtoon tribal areas, there are Sikhs/Hindus that observe the code of Pakhtoonwali, and they also claim to be of ethnic Pakhtoon or Afghan origins though in the Pakhtoon society they are accepted equal to Pakhtoons but not considered Pakhtoons.
Shahreen Khor (?) jaan, yup its all a big mess :^ )
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Tnx Wror jana :) dera merabani..khabara zama pa hisaab sara da da... May be I am wrong :D.. thats.. HTe Term Pathan or Pukhtoon was derived from Pee Thoon :) kho I am not sure...
Anyhow.. its a good and Knowledgabale Thread :)
ANd.. Shahreen Khorakay... ta sala confusde kegay marray :D bas samay samay khabary de kana :)
And.. BTW chartra ye... khkaray na nan saba...
I didn't know there were so many Pathans here :)
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I didn't know there were so many Pathans here :)
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:)
Pukhtano na da dunya kam yo zay khlas de.. che dalta ba nawee ;)
Dalta kho der pukhtana shta, nor khalak ba e ow monga ba nayoo sa???
Har kala gulla-
Rekhteya dalta kho drr Pakhtaneh de, MashAllah! Noor bo'm we kho zan mu la na kha ye : )
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Tnx Wror jana :) dera merabani..khabara zama pa hisaab sara da da... May be I am wrong :D.. thats.. HTe Term Pathan or Pukhtoon was derived from Pee Thoon :) kho I am not sure...
Anyhow.. its a good and Knowledgabale Thread :)
ANd.. Shahreen Khorakay... ta sala confusde kegay marray :D bas samay samay khabary de kana :)
And.. BTW chartra ye... khkaray na nan saba...
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