Pak vessel explodes itself after Indian Navy's chase.

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Re: Pak vessel explodes itself after Indian Navy’s chase.

@Jolie

Okay. I appreciate your replies, but stop calling me bro. I’m not a bro. Alright?

You know what, I am actually not even going to bother denying that in Pakistan we don’t have people who like to throw India’s name. I’ve seen far too many Indians (and Pakistanis occasionally) online creating this fake sense of moral high ground for India and I’ve realised how deceitful and anti intellectual its looks, so I’m going to pull their trick. It’s stupid to expect people not have such opinions, and you can’t impose blanket censorship on people. Truth to be told, I’m not even so much bothered if media barons in India ‘link’ Pakistan’s name to get a certain that perspective out. People do that. The problem is when such so called in depth analysis and theories become vehement propaganda campaign where the government, media and fascist organisations have the same voice, and that voice is taken as the truth. You can talk about an anchor here and there or a politician in Pakistan mentioning India (by the way please do drop the name of any ministers who blamed India for Peshawar massacre), but that’s not same as when your entire media machinery and government reges openly contribute to warmongering hysteria against neighbouring country.

At least in Pakistan, when someone blames India, there is a counter reaction and a counter argument quickly dismissing, patronising and completely rejecting that idea. Do you also see an equally widespread reaction from Indian public when Pakistan is needlessly bashed? No one really thinks how pathetically ridiculous it is to run cheap media trial of a country and accuse them of every ill in the world when they themselves are going through so much and the victim of same thing you accuse them of. But that’s okay, you Indians don’t really have to think like that. My whole issue is with Indians and doolally Aman ki Aasha hippies from our side who conveniently turn a blind eye to all anti Muslim and anti Pakistan hatred spewed by Hindu extremist militias and organisations and their fundamentalist government, but only wail nonstop about Pakistan and proclaim that how it is the worst nation on the face of earth because it doesn’t seem to hold Indians in high regard. It is pathetic. Why Mr Laal Topi and his Youtube vidoes is such a huge issue in non secular Pakistan, but likes of Shiv Sena, RSS and dozens of other Hindu extremists organisations and their leaders aren’t in oh so secular India? The issue is about selective morality, selective wailing and selecting preaching and double standards.

But really, Pakistan is neither the first nor the last country on planet earth that has a full country as an arch rival. The world won’t come to end if Pakistan and India don’t become best of buddies. It is a nice wild fantasy to have, no doubt, but what these countries really need to do is to put an end to all violent activities, sort out its regional disputes, stop creating any warmongering hysteria and run lame jingoistic election campaigns to win power, and peace will eventually start to follow. But that’s wishful thinking, I know.

I have mentioned you are a female so i am sure Arleitter will call you sister now.
I admit lot of Indian media is sensationalist and has jumped on the Pakistani bandwagon ever since 2008, 2011-when osama was found(?) etc and ever since Pakistan has been on the news internationally. There are still quite a few papers in India or at least a few online which jump less to conclusions eg. being The Hindu, Tehelka etc A few indian papers such as Indian express and firstpost did clarify that it could very well be a smuggling boat.

Pakistan ‘terror’ boat: Did the Coast Guard get it horribly wrong? - Firstpost

Doubts mount over India’s claims of destroying ‘terror boat’ from Pakistan | The Indian Express
Ultimately if it is found that it is a smuggling boat the credibility of these papers, if there was any, would decrease in eyes of international media.

All the news on Indian TV is over sensationalised and i agree there is anti-Pakistani sentiment. Not sure how many people watch these news pages. If you want examples of liberal newspapers which mention how Pakistan name is often used to hide failings internally i can provide you with some. I am sure it is similar to India or raw being used for all tragedies within India. With the Assam deaths few weeks ago no Pakistani hand was mentioned.

I don’t know how popular Amir Liaquat’s show is but he has mentioned India or budd parast being behind all evil in Pakistan and anyone who kills them or is killed by them gets the greatest honour. I am not sure when he says that who he is referring to..whether killing an Indian or TTP person as he uses them interchangeably. Both medias have their own type of extremists. I’ve not seen an Indian talk show with an audience which talks in terms of muslims vs hindus when talking of India vs Pakistan or one on urdu culture overtaking Indian tvs. On fb pages like express tribune i see comments which mention indian conspiracy/raw.

I’m not going to generalise all Pakistanis because Amir Liaquat thinks all Indians are budd parast despite their being muslims, christians, sikhs, non-budd parast hindus etc and hence root of all evil. They say his show is popular but I don’t know.
22We_will_conquer_Hindustan_22-_Hindu_hatred_on_Pakistan_TV_channel - Video Dailymotion

Are these Indians or Pakistani Hindus meant to be seen as budd parast or TTP lookalikes as well? Are these Budd parast only helping other budd parast like Amir says?

PAKISTANI CHILD UNDERGONE SUCCESSFUL OPEN HEART SURGERY AT JAYADEVA HOSPITAL | This Week Bangalore
Free medical camp: Indian doctors reach out to Pakistani patients by fixing hearts – The Express Tribune

I can’t speak for indian media but there are number of sites who mock it when india’s media brings in pakistan for everything. When Peshawar happened even the Indian media put aside their political sensationalising and reported it as if their own were affected. No mention of conspiracy theories etc. So sometimes humanity comes out. Even Indian anchor Rajat sharma crying on Peshawar children attack - Video Dailymotion

The Aman ki asha brigade in India also gets equally attacked by conservatives with cartoons mocking them for candlelight vigils for Peshawar and not Assam. Or questioning why they are holding vigils when none were held for Mumbai. Plenty of Indian papers attack the RSS, Shiv sena and the likes. If you read Tehelka. Hindu extremist orgs have got alot of flak over their protest over PK and like i posted in that thread plenty of tweets mocking Subramanium Swamy’s comments on ISI being behind PK. The problem is many indians don’t know about pakistan/pakistanis but with more pakistani dramas that will change. PK: Twitterattis mock Subramanian Swamy for film’s funding query - The Times of India Why do Pakistani liberals speak out when India is mentioned? Maybe it’s because whenever they express liberal ideas or appreciate something Indian some people accuse them of being anti-Pakistani like only Indians have stronghold on these liberal ideas despite Pakistan having a strong liberal tradition. If they speak out for minorities people call them agent. I can watch Pakistani dramas/use Pakistani products and not be called anti-Indian. If Indians, on the whole, accept Pakistani actors/singers, who usually have liberal beliefs, etc they reciprocate that affection. If the liberals of India and other Indians admire and respect Malala or Jibran because they are brave and speak out for minorities then suddenly according to some elements these people become raw agents. Unless this attitude by some of labelling Pakistani liberals as agents of west/raw/india doesn’t change then how would they respond. No one labels conservatives agents of saudi arabia or iran.

For me personally as a liberal Pakistani liberals are worth more than Indian hindu or muslim conservatives because I connect more to them and humanity comes before national borders. Perhaps they have been on the receiving end of such sentiments. I will speak out with Pakistani liberals when it comes to people like Junaid Hafeez who are suffering in jail for their liberal views. I know you may think i am an anomaly but I do speak out against anti-Pakistani hate and people jumping to conclusions for example in instances like this. This hate based on stereotypes is not limited to India either.

When Pakistani navy released Indian sailors Indian media gave them credit and condemned indian gov for their slow action.

Pakistan Navy to the rescue of Indian sailors.flv

Youth ki awaaz has had positive articles on Pakistan and Pakistani liberals. Anti-Muslim Prejudices: Do We Know Enough About The Pakistani Liberals? [Part 6] The media exists maybe less than it should but it just needs to be found

why should different standards be expected in secular vs non secular countries? All extremism despite the ideology of the countries is to be condemned. Malaysia is an Islamic republic and is doing ok when it comes to human rights.