Pak to test another Shaheen missile!

India’s great missiles :smiley:

http://www.fas.org/spp/starwars/congress/1998_h/980625-milhollin.htm

In November 1963, NASA began the Indian space program by launching a U.S. rocket from Indian soil. Between 1963 and 1975, more than 350 U.S., French, Soviet and British rockets were launched from India’s new Thumba Range, which the United States helped design. Thumba’s first group of Indian engineers learned rocket launching and range operation from the United States.

Among these engineers was A. P. J. Abdul Kalam, the Agni missile’s chief designer. After the Indian nuclear tests last month, he was also hailed as the “father” of the Indian atomic bomb. In 1963-64, he spent four months in training in the United States. He visited NASA’s Langley Research Center in Virginia, where the U.S. Scout rocket was conceived, and the Wallops Island Flight Center in Virginia, where the Scout was being flown. The Scout was a four-stage, solid-fueled launcher used to orbit small payloads. It was also used to test the performance of reentry vehicles–a technology necessary to deliver nuclear warheads. According to NASA officials, the Indian engineers saw the blueprints of the Scout during their visit.

In 1965, the Indian government asked NASA for design information about the Scout. The request should have raised some eyebrows. It came from the head of the Indian Atomic Energy Commission. Nevertheless, NASA obligingly supplied the information. Kalam then proceeded to build India’s first big rocket, the SLV-3, which was an exact copy of the Scout. The first stage of the SLV-3 is now the first stage of the Agni missile.

The second stage of the Agni is based on a surface-to-air missile known as the SA-2 that India bought from Russia. But in order to build the second stage, India also had to learn about liquid propulsion. For this, India turned to France. The French willingly transferred the technology needed to build a powerful liquid-fueled rocket motor called the “Viking,” which powers the European Space Agency’s Ariane satellite launcher. Thus, India learned how to build the first stage of the Agni from the United States, and how to build the second stage from France and Russia. The U.S. and French help was supposed to be for peaceful space exploration, but it wound up helping India’s missile program.

The Agni also needed a guidance system. For this, India turned to the German Space Agency. In the 1970s and 1980s, Germany conducted an intensive tutorial for India in rocket guidance. The assistance–once again–was supposed to be for peaceful space exploration. But each step in the process for building a guidance system for India’s space launcher moved India further down the road to building a guidance system for the Agni missile. In fact, India seems to have invented a new term to describe its progress. Again and again, India’s Department of Space, in its annual reports, announced that it was able to “indigenize” another piece of essential equipment.

Germany also provided other help. The German Space Agency tested a model of the first stage of the SLV-3 (identical to the Scout) in its wind tunnel at Cologne-Portz. That first stage is now the first stage of the Agni missile. The German Space Agency also helped India build rocket test facilities, and trained Indians in the use of the special composite materials needed to make rocket nozzles and nosecones. I have included a graphic and a table in my testimony that summarizes the extensive foreign help that India received.

** Thus, India’s biggest nuclear missile is an international product. ** :smiley: Under the guise of peaceful space cooperation, the United States, France and Germany helped create the most advanced nuclear missile in South Asia. The Agni’s first stage, second stage and guidance system all come from Western technology, which proves beyond any doubt that you cannot help a country build space launchers without helping it build missiles.

Bachao, bachao, bachao, Muslim Burning Hindus are about to start the 'Decisive Battle'.

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Bachao, bachao, bachao, Muslim Burning Hindus are about to start the 'Decisive Battle'.
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Trying to rub it in ;)

See this:

http://www.hqeadtf.giessen.army.mil/intel_5_june_2002.htm

http://www.janes.com/defence/news/jdw/jdw020603_1_n.shtml

:hehe: :rotfl: :hehe:

Abdali,

Since you posted about India from FAS, you’d like this:

http://abcnews.go.com/sections/world/DailyNews/syriamissiles990823.html


Pakistan turned to a loose alliance with Iran, and continued to purchase Chinese and North Korean technology supplied through third-party transfers, say senior U.S. intelligence sources.
“Pakistan has essentially no indigenous production capability;” says John Pike of the Federation of American Scientists. :hehe: :hehe: “North Korea has developed the [missile] program, Iran is attempting to finish it, and Pakistan is helping them pay for it.”


Pakistan ties with North Korea. I refuse to believe that. I don't think Pakistan have diplomatice relations with North Korea since we have never seen leaders from both nations together.

Wollah!!! may be try this link… http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54831&highlight=germany

http://www.gupistan.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=54836&highlight=germany

LOL----From indigenous to TOT to stealing… Its getting more realistic…

Talwar

Pakistan has overwhelming amount of Uranium, Chinese have assisted Pakistan and North Korea, which I refuse to believe it.

Talwar,

Any news on Indian North Korean connection ;)

Yeah PT,

AQ Xerox Khan will tell you beofre he repaints korean missiles :hehe: :hehe: :hehe:

The whole world knows Ghauri = Korean No Dong

http://www.nytimes.com/2002/05/25/international/asia/25MISS.html


But international arms experts, diplomats and retired senior Pakistani officers say that in fact Pakistan obtained most of its present missile ability directly from North Korea, a charter member of President Bush’s “axis of evil.”

"The Ghauri 1 is definitely a North Korean missile, made, manufactured and assembled there :biggthumb :hehe: :hehe: , although some were assembled in Pakistan," said Joseph S. Bermudez, a ballistic weapons expert who has written extensively on the North Korean missile program.


Just read the bold font from your own link :hehe:

Doesn’t it wet Indian dhoti? :hehe:

India test fires another Russkie rocket… :smash:

India has test-fired a Russian rocket which is part of an advanced weapons system it may buy, but is insisting the test was routine.

Bottom line:

Indians don’t Cross LoC, forget IB. Pakistanis do :hehe:

I like Indians when nailed they come down from their hight flying horse... Hmmmmm so Indian missile program is indigenous but Paki is all imported....... Ok so now Indian program is imported to with nice paint and Indian names...

Chanda, am I talking about Indiegenous? :wink:

Huh? Was I talking about ballistic missiles? :stuck_out_tongue:

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hehe

Here's your earlier post:

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Huh? Admit this: Have Pakistan and North Korean leaders ever met?

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PT,

Stay out of this topic yaaar.

This exceeds your knowledge and IQ level.

FYI Shaheen and Ghauri are ballistic missiles, which is the topic of this thread.

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Yaar, the problem is your IQ level.

What did I say before? Did leaders from Pakistan and North Korea ever met? Did you answer that? Can you answer that? I wasn't even talking about balllistic missiles. The link you provided says Pakistan has North Korea technology, which I refused to believe since both countries never signed any pact of defence or whatsoever.

http://www.atimes.com/koreas/CF05Dg02.html


Pakistani premier (later deposed) Benazir Bhutto, on a visit to Pyongyang a decade ago. :hehe:


http://www.cdiss.org/98may5.htm

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**In 1993, during her tenure in office, Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto is reported to have visited Pyongyang. And we noted above, the Ghauri program is believed to have been initiated around the same time. ** :hehe;
In 1996, it was revealed that North Korea was exporting perchloric ammonia, a fuel for launching missiles, to Pakistan. Reportedly, the exports were conducted by Yongaksan General Company, which is subordinate to the North Korean Ministry of People’s Armed Forces. The shipment was confiscated by Taiwan while en route to the Space Atmospheric Research Committee in Karachi, Pakistan.
In August 1997, the Washington Post reported that the US had imposed trade sanctions on two North Korean government-owned firms for secretly providing unspecified missile equipment to Pakistan and Iran. Mainichi Shimbun subsequently reported in April 1998 that "a transport aircraft usually makes a round-trip flight between Pakistan and North Korea once a month to carry military equipment and other goods.


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The DPRK’s relationship with Pakistan dates to the early 1970s. During mid 1971, with tensions between Pakistan and India growing, Pakistan’s President Zulfikar Ali Bhutto approached the DPRK in an effort to obtain critically needed weapons. An agreement was soon concluded and on 18 September 1971 the first arms shipment from the DPRK arrived in Karachi. Along with the military assistance agreement, the two countries also signed agreements for the mutual establishment of consulates. On 9 November 1972, in return for the DPRK’s support during Pakistan’s recent war with India, and only one day after withdrawing from SEATO, Pakistan announced that it was establishing formal diplomatic relations with the DPRK. Military assistance to Pakistan continued through the late 1970s, with the DPRK providing artillery, multiple rocket launchers, ammunition, and a variety of spare parts.(1)

The following month DPRK Deputy Premier-Foreign Minister Kim Yong-nam travelled to Syria (July 27-30), Iran (July 30-August 3) and Pakistan (August 4-7), to discuss matters concerning bilateral cooperation. High on the list of matters discussed is believed to have been mutual missile cooperation and DPRK sales of Scud Mod. C and possibly No-dong missiles (e.g., the DPRK’s construction of a Scud Mod. C factory in Syria financed by Iran and the PRC).(9) The following year, Pakistani and Iranian specialists are believed to have been present for the DPRK’s 29-30 May 1993 test event in which one No-dong and three Scud Mod. B/Cs were launched.(


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**Yeah.

Again, this topic - you have no idea. So please leave this thread or face humiliation.**

Ms Bhuto reported to have visit. :hehe: sure :hehe:

Humiliation, nah. I don’t need to face that coz I believe Pak nukes are well better than Indian-Russian junks :hehe:

**REFRESH YOUR MEMORY** :hehe:

and take a hard look on IAF as well :hehe: