Pak skipper’s father still pines for the son he left behind in UP

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Pak skipper’s father still pines for the son he left behind in UP
Manish Chandra Pandey and SA Rizvi
Sultanpur, August 24

Pakistani wicket keeper-skipper Rashid Latif’s father wishes to breathe his last in Agnakol, a village in Sultanpur of UP. That seems strange, but not when you learn that Agnakol was home for Rashid’s father, Abdul Latif, till he migrated to Pakistan and that his eldest son’s family still lives there.

Abdul Latif’s eldest son Shahid, also his poorest, works for a media house in Kolkata. His mother was Latif’s first wife, and he was left behind when his father migrated to Pakistan in 1947.

Abdul Latif sounded nostalgic when HT spoke to him over the phone, admitting fondly that he would like to die in his native village. He has visited Agnakol thrice since Partition, and the holocaust still haunts him.

“I plan to visit Agnakol again soon,” he told HT. “The heart longs to do something for poor Shahid. But, given the tense political equations between India and Pakistan it seems difficult. If the two governments permit I would like my son to join me in Pakistan or come over here myself. But…”

Shahid had a chance meeting with his famous half-brother Rashid when the Pakistani team was in India for the Cricket World Cup. After losing the quarter-final to India in Bangalore, the team travelled to Kolkata, where the brothers met.

There were celebrations among Shahid’s colleagues as news got around that Rashid was his brother. But since then, the brothers have not been together and the cricketer remains a distant apparition for his family in India. “Since then we get to see Rashid bhai only on television,” said Shahid’s wife Anwar Jahan. The couple’s eldest son, Feroz Badr is with UP Police in Farrukhabad. The other three, Pervez, Salman and Nauman are studying.

Shahid’s half-brothers in Pakistan have done well for themselves. His father said: “Rashid, of course is famous. My other sons Nasir, Tariq and Khalid have all done well. But a son is after all a son.”

Shahid’s wife said her family has realised that an Indo-Pak family reunion is much like the problems between the two cricketing nations. But then, who knows?

  • Why is it that all of his sons in Pakistan are so famous and have done well, whereas his son in India is poor? Anywayz, lets hope that his last wish is fullfilled!!*
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Re: Pak skipper’s father still pines for the son he left behind in UP

Because the dad abandoned this kid.

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Imagine your father left you when you were still in your CRIB. Mr. Abdul Latif should stop shedding his crocodile tears now. Suddenly after 56 years he remebers that he has a son he left in India.

He may not be as rich and famous as his brother in Pakistan, but the guy is not as poor as it is made out to be. At least he is working for a Media Company and one of his son is working for UP police much better than many others.

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Because the dad abandoned this kid.
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You are assuming he was abandoned there. Could it be that his mother did not want to migrate to Pakistan? While there is a possibility that he abandoned the kid, thats just a possibility not a fact.

There are tons of my family that are in india, because they did not want to migrate. Majority of my nanhiyal is still in India, my maternal grandfather was the only one of his siblings that moved over, my maternal grandmother and her father moved over but several of her siblings stayed behind.

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Suddenly after 56 years he remebers that he has a son he left in India.
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do we know that this was sudden, or that it is just in the public eye for the first time?

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You are assuming he was abandoned there. Could it be that his mother did not want to migrate to Pakistan? While there is a possibility that he abandoned the kid, thats just a possibility not a fact.

There are tons of my family that are in india, because they did not want to migrate. Majority of my nanhiyal is still in India, my maternal grandfather was the only one of his siblings that moved over, my maternal grandmother and her father moved over but several of her siblings stayed behind.
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Leaving grownups is a different thing but leaving your own son who is dependent on you is crime.
In your case when your NANA moved I am sure the relative that he left there wasnt his direct responsibility and probably he moved here with all his kids.So there is a difference.

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Sure, it may have been wanton abandonment or result of circumstances thrust upon them by the evil partition. Either case, fact is the kid did not have the benefits of the dad like his siblings.

And my reason for pointing even that out is to provide some avenue of reason for the originator of this thread who sounded restless, wondering and torn to figure out why.

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Originally posted by fair_&_balance: *
**Leaving grownups is a different thing but leaving your own son who is dependent on you is crime.*

Is it? in all circumstances..now lemme throw a wrench in that logic

1- if this guy's mother did not want to move, should abdul latif have forced her to?

2- should he have snatched the kid and taken him, even if she did not want to go

frankly, we dont know jack, we dont know if abdul latif's first wife was alive or dead, or whether they were divorced or together, and whether she wanted to move or not.

Unless we know the background, our judgements are simply based on our assumptions.

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Fraudia - How many people have you seen who left their wife and Kid and migrated on their own. So far all the examples you have given prove nothing but one of the siblings moved to Pakistan. I haven't seen, met or heard anyone leaving his newly born SON and WIFE. Clearly Mr. Latif was selfish that he left his wife and newly born in India for GREENer pastures in an Islamic LAND.

What kind of father he is to leave his child ?

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Tom

okay thats better, one of the reasons that son did nto do well was due to not having the father around, there could be others, he was lazy, he did nto get the right opportunities..etc etc..

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Fraudia - Why dont you experiment and do this. Go to Pakistan marry an uneducated biharan, have a child and come back to USA without them. We meet here after 30 years and compare the progress and status of abandoned kid with the kids in US.

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**Fraudia - How many people have you seen who left their wife and Kid and migrated on their own. *

1) was he still married to her
2) did she want to move, was her family not letting her move
3) did he have another wife and kids, who he wanted to take to Pakistan because he falth that would be better for their safety and future.

I dont know tha answers to these quesations, if you have them they would help

*I haven't seen, met or heard anyone leaving his newly born SON and WIFE. *

question remains, did he abandon them, or did they not want to move, or did her family not want them to move?

We dont know anything about the circumstances.

I personally know families who did not move because one person or their family did not want them to move

*Clearly Mr. Latif was selfish that he left his wife and newly born in India *

You are very sure of his intentins as well as the circumstances. If I had ESP I would have gauged his intentions as well.

*What kind of father he is to leave his child ? *

we dont know that..he could have abandoned his family, and he could have been forced to leave them for one reason or another.

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Fraudia - Why dont you experiment and do this. Go to Pakistan marry an uneducated biharan, have a child and come back to USA without them. We meet here after 30 years and compare the progress and status of abandoned kid with the kids in US.
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Now lets keep this discussion on track, I have no issue with saying that the kid did not do well due to circumstances which included not having a father..maybe that is the only factor, maybe thats a major factor, and maybe there are other factors involved s well. I dont know that, and you dont know that.

The point that I am questioning is the theory that the kid was abandoned.
what is there to say that abdul latif's first wife and kid had overall a better start than abdul latif moving to a new country and starting from scratch. We do not know that aside from abdul latif not being with that son, we dont know that his kids form hsi second marriage had better financial supprt than the wife and kid back in India.

we do not know, and until my ESP kicks in, I would argue that all our assertions are based on our assumptions, which may be likely, but until proven, are still assumptions

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Right on fraudz, just for the record asif_k, in case you didnt know, he did go to India to see his son before, and not just once, and you probably dont know how difficult it is to get to India from Pakistan, you even need different visas to get into different cities! It aint that simple.

But the fact remains, all his sons in Pakistan prospered, thats something called success ;)