New Zealand have recalled Andre Adams for next week’s fourth one-dayer against Pakistan at Napier.
Adams was dropped after the first match of the series in which he finished with 0 for 63 from nine overs. However, John Bracewell, the coach, said Adams was better suited to Napier’s smallish outfield than Ian Butler’s quicker bowling.
New Zealand lead the five-match series 2-1 after their seven-wicket at Christchurch today.
New Zealand Stephen Fleming (capt), Andre Adams, Craig Cumming, Chris Cairns, Brendon McCullum (wk), Craig McMillan, Hamish Marshall, Kyle Mills, Jacob Oram, Scott Styris, Daryl Tuffey, Daniel Vettori.
The match is scheduled for Wednesday 14 January, 2004.
I hope Pakistan does not make the same mistake which they made in the 3rd ODI and keep Shabbir out. Azhar should be dropped in favour of Shabbir. As stated in the other thread if your top 6 can't save you then the others are not going to either. We should have 5 batsmen (Yasir, Imran, Yoyo, Inzi and Elahi/Younis) one wicketkeeper (Moin, who in this case is a recognised batsmen) two all rounders (Razzaq and Malik) and three bowlers (Shoaib, Sami and Shabbir). This still gives us batting down to number 8. Hope sense prevails in the selection of the team for the next two ODI's.
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I hope Pakistan does not make the same mistake which they made in the 3rd ODI and keep Shabbir out. Azhar should be dropped in favour of Shabbir. As stated in the other thread if your top 6 can't save you then the others are not going to either. We should have 5 batsmen (Yasir, Imran, Yoyo, Inzi and Elahi/Younis) one wicketkeeper (Moin, who in this case is a recognised batsmen) two all rounders (Razzaq and Malik) and three bowlers (Shoaib, Sami and Shabbir). This still gives us batting down to number 8. Hope sense prevails in the selection of the team for the next two ODI's.
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I support Asim Kamal in place of Elahi or Younis. Poor fella hasn't had a match on this tour and he so deserves it after good performances against RSA. Plus his natural game is suited for the number 3 spot. I can't understand why Inzi wont play him.
I support Asim Kamal in place of Elahi or Younis. Poor fella hasn't had a match on this tour and he so deserves it after good performances against RSA. Plus his natural game is suited for the number 3 spot. I can't understand why Inzi wont play him.
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Asim Kamal is another guy for the number 3 spot. The reason I have not mentioned him is that he might find it difficult to come and play a good and confident knock in such a pressure game, especially as he has not played for a while. Also I think one game he palyed in NZ he did not perform well. Elahi/ Younis on the other hand can handle pressure as both are experienced guy. I am sure Kamal will get opportunity against India.
There is no way Elahi will be dropped although he should be. He was extremely lucky to score 80 in the 3rd ODI and was dropped once as well. He is a player who can only perform on a flat pitch, where the ball doesn't move much because of his awful footwork as he walks across stumps to play at EVERY delivery. As soon as the ball starts to move a bit, Elahi is back in the pavillion. I hope the selectors realize this and drop him for the 4th ODI, which is HIGHLY unlikely.
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There is no way Elahi will be dropped although he should be. He was extremely lucky to score 80 in the 3rd ODI and was dropped once as well. He is a player who can only perform on a flat pitch, where the ball doesn't move much because of his awful footwork as he walks across stumps to play at EVERY delivery. As soon as the ball starts to move a bit, Elahi is back in the pavillion. I hope the selectors realize this and drop him for the 4th ODI, which is HIGHLY unlikely.
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I dont understand this noise about footwork. But Do we really understand how important is or isnot footwork?? is it absolutely essential to have great footwork to succeed in International cricket. There are lots of sucesss story where batsmen didnt have any footwork at all. Fw example that comes to mind is Majid Khan and Sehwag and both did pretty well in international cricket. YES footwork in very important but you have great eyes then you can compensate for this. So I dont mind if Elahi doesnt have footwork ,does he have great eyes? is he able to deliver.If yes then to hell with footwork.
I dont understand this noise about footwork. But Do we really understand how important is or isnot footwork?? is it absolutely essential to have great footwork to succeed in International cricket. There are lots of sucesss story where batsmen didnt have any footwork at all. Fw example that comes to mind is Majid Khan and Sehwag and both did pretty well in international cricket. YES footwork in very important but you have great eyes then you can compensate for this. So I dont mind if Elahi doesnt have footwork ,does he have great eyes? is he able to deliver.If yes then to hell with footwork.
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There is a difference between bad footwork and no footwork at all. Elahi walks across the stumps and because of this, he has always struggled on pitches which have movement. All his centuries which he has scored have come on flat pitches, and the 3rd ODI pitch was no exception. Why did he fail in the first 2 ODI's? because there was movement of the ball. Some batsman have bad footwork but adjust accordingly due to conditions, but Elahi always remains the same. This is the reason why he performs so good at home, because all the pitches are flat pitches. I don't think you have seen him play...but for the people who have seen him play...know exactly what I am talking about.
There is a difference between bad footwork and no footwork at all. Elahi walks across the stumps and because of this, he has always struggled on pitches which have movement. All his centuries which he has scored have come on flat pitches, and the 3rd ODI pitch was no exception. Why did he fail in the first 2 ODI's? because there was movement of the ball. Some batsman have bad footwork but adjust accordingly due to conditions, but Elahi always remains the same. This is the reason why he performs so good at home, because all the pitches are flat pitches. I don't think you have seen him play...but for the people who have seen him play...know exactly what I am talking about.
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well 3 of his 4 century came outside subcontant and only one in subcontinant.His away record is not as good as his home record but its not very bad either.
2 of his centuries came against Zimbabve, on pure batting pitches. I remember watching that series. It was a batting paradise. The simple fact remains, Elahi struggles against quality oppositions and against the moving ball. He can only play well on a flat pitch when the ball is not moving around.
i don get all this talk regarding footwork. so many players around the world r playing successfully without proper footwork. if a batsman can survive without it n still play well then it shdn't matter. ijaz ahmed played for so long and so well, n he never had gd footwork or technique.
as for saleem elahi's inings, yes he did give a chance early on - 2 bad NZ dint utilize it. it happens all the time in cricket. n btw if he dint score those 80 runs we would have lost by 9 wkts and 20 overs to spare.
its because he is the most sust tareen batsmen.. u might see on the scoreboard that he doesnt really waste much balls other than 20 or sumthin but he didnt play the way he should be… its like whenever sum1 goes out.. he would stop scoring runs for sum 3 4 odd overs when it was a pure bating pitch… its pathetic.. jo ball khail sak tay hian wo bhi nahi khailta :S
and he just cared about his own damm runs
and yoyo was out because of him tooo :S he could hav say a BIG NOOOOO so that he could go back to his crease a bit earlier
I dont understand this noise about footwork. But Do we really understand how important is or isnot footwork?? is it absolutely essential to have great footwork to succeed in International cricket. There are lots of sucesss story where batsmen didnt have any footwork at all. Fw example that comes to mind is Majid Khan and Sehwag and both did pretty well in international cricket. YES footwork in very important but you have great eyes then you can compensate for this. So I dont mind if Elahi doesnt have footwork ,does he have great eyes? is he able to deliver.If yes then to hell with footwork.
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The Game Responds:
*Don't tell me that you are comparing Saleem Sifarshi to Majid Khan! Don't tell me that. That was the worst 80 run inning I have seen in my life. The guy can't take singles; Moin actually looked very pissed off at the end of one over, when he just wasn't rotating the strike. If he had done that, Pakistan might have easily got the 30 runs at the end that Inzimam said we were short of. Don't look at 80 from 102 balls, please don't. I had to sit through the innings; oh, torture that it was. Younis Khan should be included; he plays very sensibly in such situations and keep the scoreboard ticking in Moin's fashion. Just because Dean Jones says he should be dropped, doesn't mean that you sheep should all go against his inclusion. People, That Is All.*
New Zealand coach John Bracewell has revealed his team’s ambition to win the series against Pakistan in the next match in Napier.
The Black Caps won their first match against Pakistan, but were hammered in the second. In the crucial third match of the series, Stephen Fleming surprised Pakistan by asking them to bat first and then blasted his fifth century to win the game.
New Zealand thus took a 2-1 lead and have a golden opportunity to win the series in Napier on Wednesday. However, a recent run of reversals when in command does not set a good precedent for the Black Caps. Bracewell reveals that Fleming is concerned with New Zealand’s perceived inability to complete a series win.
“The senior management in the team have recognised that and they’ve already put in place plans for the next game,” he said after the Christchurch match.
"As soon as they got off the plane they were in the captain’s room planning what we need to put in place as a team unit.
“That’s a major step forward in tuning back into the game the moment they’ve tuned out of the last one.”
Before the third match in Christchurch, Fleming called on his senior players to come to the fore. In the end it was principally he who won the match for New Zealand. However, the skipper remained modest of his achievement.
“The period in the middle with Hamish Marshall was great,” he told the New Zealand Press Association.
"We applied pressure through good running and his ability to hit the gaps took the pressure off me.
“It was similar to what they did to us in Queenstown so it was a good role reversal.”
I hope they will play with Shabbir instead of Azhar. This will give more strength to our bowling in the middle overs. Right now we do not have any striking bowlers in the middle of the innings. Also I think the last 10 should be shared between Shoaib, Razzaq and Shabbir as Sami had really struggled in last 10 overs.
I am no Salim Elahi fan, but he will certainly play the next match. You really can't argue with his results in the last match.
The only issue now will be to take out one of the all rounders for Shabbir. Of course it is easier said than done, in the last 3 matches if we had one less batsman our score would have been significantly less. This is completely due to the failures in the middle order. The best solution to this is Inzi and Yoyo both playing well in the same match, or one of the two openers can play defensively and last for a larger part of the match.
There's no point in playing three all-rounders. They should bring Shabbir for one of A-R. And Sami is having a really bad series.
Our bowling looks really bad...
I think they should play Danish, and Malik as spinners, and Shoaib, Sami, Shabbir, and Azhar.
They better send THE BEST team out tomorrow if they want to win the series.
I wanna shoot the first guy who said Taufeeq is a test player only. He sure is capable of handling the pressure as an ODI openner. With Imran hitting all around the field, Taufeeq can stablize the other end. Yasir will be more confident at one down, he can further build up the foundation. Yoyo avoids number 3 and its ideal for Yasir, he should be permenantly played there. Then comes Yoyo, both Yasir and Yoyo can make other team cry with quick singles and ODI style batting tactics. This is the time usually from 15th to 40th over where fielding captains play the mind game with the batsman with field set and using bowlers effectively. Both guys are best for this type of innings. Yasir will learn more with Yoyo and Inzi on the crease as compare to where he is right now, with a short tempered Farhat.
Elahi and Younis both are not international level cricketers. They should go back to domestic and prove themselves. I will give Saied bin Nasir and Hafeez more chances if we need an extra pair of quality batsman as a backup for injuries. Hafeez can improve under Miandad's supervision. He is no Imran Nazir, he can learn things. Perhaps he is a reliable sixth bowler too. Here goes our this problem.
5 specialists batsmen
Taufeeq
Imran
Yasir
Yoyo
Inzi
With Saied and Hafeez as backup and they should be given chances often, if any of the three youngsters are having any bad patch.
Moin as keeper is good, but Taufeeq or Asim Kamal must be trained for future.
4 Specialst bowlers + 1 All rounder
Shoieb
Sami
Shabbir
Kenria
A. Razzaq / Malik
However, based on the fact that one of our three pacers are often found injured we should look for some more raw fire from Under 19. We need another pacer to fill in for any of the current options available, in the light of nakhraybaazi attitude of Akhtar. For now Gul and Saqlain are the only other options we have. Gul needs some more tuneup, he can be Aqib Javed for us.
