Pak ISI summons RAW chief over terrorism In Pak

•In the Sri Lankan cricket team case, Indian operatives crossed the border from Indian to join other Indian-origin or Indian-trained terrorists who traveled all the way from Afghanistan to Lahore

•Indian terrorism training bases, intelligence outposts and personnel in Afghanistan identified

•In some cases, Indian intelligence was indirectly supporting attacks against US soldiers in Afghanistan in order to worsen Pak-US military relations

•India’s friends, advocates and lobbyists in Washington stunned

Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh was stunned when Pakistani Prime Minister Yousaf Reza Gilani handed him a dossier containing photographs of Brahamdagh Bugti and other terrorists meeting Indian agents not only in Afghanistan but also during their visits to India and the names of the Indian officials who met them. This was part of more evidence about India’s involvement in recruiting, training, financing and arming terrorists in Afghanistan and sending them to Pakistan. India’s links to the attack on the Sri Lanka cricket team in Lahore and other high profile terrorism cases have been established, shocking even Indian’s many advocates in Washington. Mr. Gilani gave this surprise to the Indians behind closed doors. Now India fears that Pakistan would use this meeting to expose Indian connections with two anti-Pakistan terrorist leaders and their foreign-funded terror armies: Brahamdagh Bugti and his BLA [Balochistan Liberation Army] and Baitullah Mehsud’s Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan, both being supported from bases in US-controlled Afghanistan.

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—ISI Chief Shuja Pasha has summoned his Indian Counterpart, K C Verma for a meeting through the Indian defense attaché in the Indian High Commission in Islamabad.

The Indian government has not responded to ISI’s request yet, and is reportedly assessing the implications of a possible meeting carefully.

After the July 16 Sharm el-Sheikh joint statement between India and Pakistan, India fears that Pakistan would use this meeting as a forum to expose Indian connections with two terror leaders and their foreign-funded terror armies: Brahamdagh Bugti and his BLA [Balochistan Liberation Army] and Baitullah Mehsud’sTehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan.

Pakistan has piles of evidence against Indian consulates in Afghanistan being used to fund terrorism in Pakistan through the TTP as well as the terrorists who claim to be self-styled representatives of Pakistan’s Baloch vast Baloch heritage.

Pakistan’s DAWN reports that a dossier containing proof of India’s involvement in “subversive activities” in Pakistan was handed over by Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani to his Indian counterpart Manmohan Singh during their meeting at Sharm el-Sheikh last week.

The evidence has also been shared with the US and Afghanistan, with Kabul being asked to prevent the use of its territory for disruptive activities against Pakistan.

“Although the information given to India is being kept highly secret, broad outlines of the dossier available with Dawn reveal details of Indian contacts with those involved in attacks on the Sri Lankan cricket team and the Manawan police station,” the newspaper said.

“Operatives of RAW who remained in touch with the perpetrators of the attacks have been identified and proof of their interaction has been attached,” it added.

A description of Indian arms and explosives used in the attack on the Sri Lankan team has been made part of the dossier, besides which the names and particulars of the perpetrators, who illegally entered Pakistan from India and joined their accomplices who had reached Lahore from Waziristan, have been mentioned, the report said.

The dossier also mentions an Indian-funded training camp near Kandahar where terrorists claiming to represent Pakistan’s Balochistan, particularly supporters of politician-turned-terrorist Akbar Bugti, were being trained and provided arms for sabotage activities in the Pakistani province. The elder Bugti was involved in recruiting and sending young Pakistanis from Balochistan to become terrorists against their own homeland.

Dawn quoted its sources as saying that Manmohan Singh had agreed to “look into Pakistani claims” and to take “corrective action” if proven. He is said to have assured Mr. Gilani that India is against interference in other countries and Pakistan’s stability was important for them.

BLA was the name that the former KGB and the Indian intelligence gave to Pakistani communist recruits who were paid to destabilize Pakistan during the 1960s, ‘70s and ‘80s, when the Soviet Union controlled Afghanistan. The BLA died with the end of the Cold War and the Soviet withdrawal from Afghanistan, but has been revived by the Indians after US occupied Afghanistan.

Here is what Christine Fair of RAND Corporation has said earlier this year about what the Indian consulates are up to in Afghanistan and Iran:

“I think it would be a mistake to completely disregard Pakistan’s regional perceptions due to doubts about Indian competence in executing covert operations. That misses the point entirely. And I think it is unfair to dismiss the notion that Pakistan’s apprehensions about Afghanistan stem in part from its security competition with India. Having visited the Indian mission in Zahedan, Iran, I can assure you they are not issuing visas as the main activity! Moreover, India has run operations from its mission in Mazar (through which it supported the Northern Alliance) and is likely doing so from the other consulates it has reopened in Jalalabad and Qandahar along the border. Indian officials have told me privately that they are pumping money into Baluchistan. Kabul has encouraged India to engage in provocative activities such as using the Border Roads Organization to build sensitive parts of the Ring Road and use the Indo-Tibetan police force for security. It is also building schools on a sensitive part of the border in Kunar–across from Bajaur. Kabul’s motivations for encouraging these activities are as obvious as India’s interest in engaging in them. Even if by some act of miraculous diplomacy the territorial issues were to be resolved, Pakistan would remain an insecure state. Given the realities of the subcontinent (e.g., India’s rise and its more effective foreign relations with all of Pakistan’s near and far neighbors), these fears are bound to grow, not lessen. This suggests that without some means of compelling Pakistan to abandon its reliance upon militancy, it will become ever more interested in using it — and the militants will likely continue to proliferate beyond Pakistan’s control.”

The Foreign Policy magazine also recently confirmed the Indians were neck deep in supporting the TTP in Pakistan:

While the U.S. media has frequently reported on Pakistani ties to jihadi elements launching attacks in Afghanistan, it has less often mentioned that India supports insurgent forces attacking Pakistan. “The Indians are up to their necks in supporting the Taliban against the Pakistani government in Afghanistan and Pakistan,” a former intelligence official who served in both countries said. “The same anti-Pakistani forces in Afghanistan also shooting at American soldiers are getting support from India. India should close its diplomatic establishments in Afghanistan and get the Christ out of there.”

“India is using Afghan soil to destabilize Pakistan and Afghan security agencies are unable to stop Indian intervention due to absence of centralized government mechanism”, said Afghan Government’s Advisor, Ehsanullah Aryanzai on the sidelines of Pak-Afgan Parliamentary Jirga at a Pakistani hotel on April 2, 2009.

The Americans – under heavy pressure in Afghanistan – have started to realize they cannot save face in Afghanistan unless Pakistan’s legitimate concerns with regards to Indian sponsored terrorism are addressed immediately.

A Senior US diplomat William Burns gave Indian officials a terse directive last month, asking them to ’shut down Indian consulates in Afghanistan, reduce presence in Kabul and stop sending terrorists across the Durand Line.’ The message was supplemented with a letter from the American President Barack Obama to Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh with a similar message.

Whether RAW’s K. C. Verma takes up ISI chief Shuja Pasha’s offer of a one-on-one or not, Pakistan should increase the pressure on the US by declaring neutrality in Afghanistan and block the supply of American and NATO weapons through its soil unless the United States pays heed to its Pakistani ally’s security interests in the region.

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That’s what you call “lena ka dena par gaya”
Poor Manmohan wanted to give us a lecture but is in trouble himself.

Indians can keep denying but it’s getting clear to everyone that there is something going on there for sure. Indians were crying in front of the whole world but at the same time sponsoring terrorism inside Pakistan to kill hundreds of innocent people.
It’s good to see Pakistan going on offensive against India, it’s also good to see that Americans and Afghanis were also provided the proof of India’s dirty games.
India’s holy cow image is being exposed here now, how do Indians feel about their involvement in the killings of hundreds (if not thousands) of innocent people???

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Do you have a source that this article came from, or did you just make this up ?

I am not “VELA” like you to make things up just to score cheap points and you know it very well that i didn’t make it up, google yourself for trillions of links.
If you had read the article, you would know what the source is as well :stuck_out_tongue:

ISI Summons RAW Chief Over Terrorism In Pakistan | Pakistan Daily

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Baloch separatists trained in Afghan camps: Malik

ISLAMABAD: Interior minister Rehman Malik has alleged that the terrorist training camps in Afghanistan are imparting training to Baloch youth to creating disturbances in the province, according to a DawnNews report.
He said that he himself held a meeting with President Hamid Karzai in Kabul and provided him with proofs regarding training camps in Afghanistan where Baloch insurgents were being trained.
The Interior Minister said that President Karzai had assured him about closing down these camps, which Malik claimed were being run by the Indian intelligence agencies on their soil.
Rehman Malik informed the House that President Karzai also agreed to put in place three biometric check-posts on the Pak-Afghan border by the first week of August.
He told the house that Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani had also raised the issue of Indian involvement in Balochistan with his counterpart Manmohan Singh in Egypt.
The demand for separation by Baloch separatists cannot be accepted, Malik declared.

DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Baloch separatists being trained in Afghan camps: Malik

Interesting article … so ISI chief is “summoning” RAW chief to explain !!! Maybe the ISI chief needs to learn something about international diplomacy and the chain of command … but then everyone know who wers the “pants” in Pakistan :smiley:

This is the “meat” of the article so to say … so what does it say actually … that Indians are involved in building roads and schools near the Pakistan border … well Pakistan should be scared of this … after all if people on Afghan side of border get these “facilities” … it might lead to a rebellion on Pakistan side as they will see this “progress” … so here is the smoking gun !!!

Now if you realy believe in The Foreign Policy magazine … the read what they have written about Baitullah Mehsud …

A profile of Pakistani Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud - By Imtiaz Ali | Foreign Policy

Mehsud’s connections are extensive throughout Pakistan and the region. He has taken an oath of allegiance to Afghan Taliban leader Mullah Mohammed Omar. He is close to al Qaeda’s top leadership in the Af-Pak border region and to Qari Tahir Yaldashev, leader of the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan. He is also well-connected to the Punjabi militant groups that have long been operating in Indian-occupied Kashmir. And he maintains cordial ties with the Haqqani network, widely considered by Western officials to be one of the most dangerous groups of veteran jihadists in the region and the bridge between the Pakistani and Afghan Taliban movements

But Pakistanis and Western experts are still skeptical about how firm the military’s commitment is. Local tribesmen have accused the Pakistan Army of adopting a policy of appeasement, for example by signing a “peace deal” with Mehsud in February 2005 rather than taking any serious action against him and his fighters. Mehsud certainly never honored any accord with the government, for which he was supposed to disarm his militia and stop cross-border terrorism. Quite the opposite; such agreements have made Mehsud bolder and stronger and have provided him the chance to grow his forces and strengthen his position – now spanning the whole FATA region and parts of the North-West Frontier Province.

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Since the word of interior minister rahman malik is taken as the divine truth by the Indians, please check this out:

**He said Karzai assured to close down these camps which are being run by the Indian intelligence agencies on their soil. **

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-07/…nt_11767933.htm

Rehman Malik will soon be administering some “harsh medicine” on the Mumbai attacks … so he is preparing the ground for that … akhir usko Pakistan mein rehana hai ke nahi :smiley:

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PM Manmohan Singh has unequivocally said no dossier of any kind have been given to him..

And yes Since when meeting the political leaders became evidence of extremism

lol@ all the responses by the Indians on this thread.
I am not surprised at all and didn’t expect you guys to admit anything.

P in USA keeps on talking crap instead of the real issue here, it’s amazing how much worried he is about forum rules :wink:

Aam bandha with his AAM responses again, still thinks RAW is only doing charity work in Afghanistan :cb: :cb: :cb:, who said Christine Fair’s remarks are meat of the article??? Read the article again, there are photographs available proving Balochi terrorists meeting Indian agents not only in Afghanista but in India itself. Afghan Government’s Advisor, Ehsanullah Aryanzai also admitted it few months ago and you know very well what Christine fair said so yes we don’t expect you to admit anything openly on this forum but it’s enough to give you some peace of mind.

And this curry boy is talking about Manmohan Singh’s statement ignoring everythingelse in the article. Only his meeting with Gilani created a huge uproar in India and even you said in another thread how weak this Manmohan is so he wo’t admit that dossier has been handed over.

As i said, you guys don’t have to admit it openly but stop acting like holy cows, you always pretend to act as victims but this is your real face.

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Indians were very angry after 26/11 attacks but RAW has been carrying out those kind of attacks much before Mumbai attacks and many more after Mumbai attacks.

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So RAW is the real rogue element behind the attacks on NATO-US forces, providing weapons and funds to the enemies of US-NATO forces, same they are doing with another ally (Pakistan), at which side India actually is? are they with Taliban extermists, as they are not missing a single opportunity to strengthening them and weakening the positiong of Anti-Taliban forces in the region...

India is sponsoring terrorism in the region since 1960s, International forces need to tackle with nuclear armed India first as there is great risk that RAW might arm these terrorist with nuclear weapons...

And you are suggesting that the US is keeping quiet despite knowing all this ? And to top it, they consider Pak as the epicenter of terrorism ?

Laughable logic, really...:)

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^^ laugh as much as u want, US have came to know about the game RAW is playing in the region, that is the reason US have forced India to have peace talk with Pakistan...

Anyway the situation is far more complex for u or other Indians to understand.. please laugh

beta aap ki phat ke haath me agayi hai, you guys kept quoting some fictitious sermons of rahman malik as if he was the bhagwan of speaking the truth, and now that hes saying how india's behind the mess in afghanistan, chup kar key achey bachoon ki tarha us ki baat maan lo.

Wonderful piece of analysis... You guys are capable of understanding the situation which is more complex for ordinary mortals to understand. Good for you..

Somehow it missed me on how peace talks would force RAW to stop playing in the region.

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^^ Yes we do.

I know it is hard for you to understand this and I am not going to waste my time by explaining it to you.

In case you were asleep when the joint declaration came out, Kashmir has been totally omitted from discussions.

Its now an issue only in the minds of some delusional Pakistanis. :)

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^Yup and I guess some 'delusional' Kashmiris who every so often take to the streets. But why care for those guys really? Children of a lesser god aren't they?

What the Kashmiris think (or not) is India's internal affair. Pakistan need not interfere...

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^ No one is advocating any interference dude. I am stating the fact: just because 'delusional' Pakistanis look the other way will not make the Kashmir problem disappear.