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One Guy, yera day spi bachai na day, daira khay family na day da warkotay bachai

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But there shall always be difference in opinions.
Perhaps, I shall try, for a bit, since I’m closer at the moment geographically to the current events that have arisen in South Asia.So read on, for United we stand, Divided we fall (hint hint Fakeer)

Let me refresh u Fakeer, first of all, I’m not a fellow bro

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Perhaps, introductions in this thread shall help a bit more. I myself am a fellow Pushtana, and happen to be from a very rich culture,with a strong ethnical background and lavishly poetic, and sane tribe of the Pushtoon Land!
okay now lets move to the universal topic shall we.

First off, brother Fakeer, the Afghanies are moving back to their homeland in Afghanistan. And man am I enjoying that. They’ve ruined the greens of our homes. They’ve introduced us to Klashinkof culture, and drugged the youths of our community. See majority of the Afghanies are not at all well versed in the diversities of the world. Our Prophet Sw’l lil la ho alay hay wa’salam, has always encouraged Muslims to adapt the midstreams of aspects in life. Any person on any extreme of the spectrum will lead himself towards destruction.
By the way, Fakeer, The Frontier province, never wanted to side with the afghans. That movement was hoisted by Ghafar Khan, siding with India that they should not include themselves in Pakistan, since India was just buying him off with lots of ‘rokra!’ Just like now, many warlords in Afghan are being bought with $$$ to keep control over the ragged downtrodden war ravaged mountain people. If you have forgotten perhaps, that the Afghans love to quarrel. Even after defeating Russia, they still did not had any peace in the region. They fought amongst themselves. What makes me feel sorry is that so many young men, were misguided with the passion of jihad, and were used for personal gains. Who exactly were they fighting against? I mean, I didn’t see any of them making it all the way to USA (if that was their target) to fight against them. If you are going to say that they did made glorious history, in regards to 11/9, then what makes me wonder, is that, it only took a few literate youths to cause that horrid demolition. What was the use of so many other ppl fighting under the taliban. They were only killing their fellow Afghani brothers, now weren’t they?! Life is full of contradictions, isn’t it.

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Fakeer, on a personal note, I don’t think u really ever fell in love with those herds of Afghani ppl, that are easily spotted all over the place near our homes in the Frontier. Seriously, tell me what have you done for them, while and if, u had the chance to interact with them back in (if that is ur homeland) Pakistan? Enlighten us. Please. I for one, have never liked them, but instead always despised them, for they have made it hell for those ppl specially that had any ‘dushmani’ with another clan. The hired ‘hitman’ was always a fellow afghan brother wink Who was paid to kill and loot!!! My brother has lost someone to their savagery. It pains me to see the misery they (Afhgans)inflicted upon the brothers and mothers of my Pak Blood land. sniff They’re every where

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But then again, I know that One stinky fish doesn’t spoils the entire pond.

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Bite me hehehe

Moderators, keep this post alive, please, it got me off my toes. Thanks!

Adios!
As always,
DB

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finally some sane pushtoons are here!!

lets refrain from swering though!

Fakeer please dont look for connection which don't exist ... There are two types of pushtoons those who are pakistani first and those who are afghani

so stop bad mouthing Pakistan, if you don't like it then move to your stupid afghan.

They dont care about us, they dont even consider us true pathans and you want to be from them, what a shame.

P.S Its too bad my other thread was closed and then deleted too!

Man is the root of all evil ... and good!

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now look whos calling who a bad mouth pashtun ..bro read my post did i ever insulted or called ur country a stupid country ..its u whos bad mouthing my country.
by the way i hope i had the strength to reply to all of you but i am one and u are all

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so i guess i’m outnumbered ..but like my ancestors were outnumbered in the battle field and they still fought so i’ll keep my battle alive in this forum

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and yea toopac zama qanoon day .if u ever have time read history of khushal khan baba where he was born where he came from and what he called himself ..he called himself afghan .
i quote him when he said.

the word pashtun means honor and glory
without honor wat is afghan story.

and yea if u laugh at all those refugees who nearly made it alive while thr men were fighting the most ruthless army the most barbaric regime the soviet empire and for days didnt even see thr mothers thr sisters thr wives most of them got shaheed and never ever saw thr family .dont worry bro if not in this world we didnt see luxury in the next world we will get paid.

i told u before WAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND.but we dont laugh at ppl cuz we’ve seen the worst.u havent when u experience it than we’ll probably talk .

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Attock

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Afghanistan? No, I’m sorry the Pashtuns, Punjabis, Hinkian ACTUALLY get along well in Attock. Personally it wouldn’t make a difference in political terms if Attock became a part of NWFP, after all it will be the same country.

Like I said before, Pashtuns of Afghanistan should get their house in order before looking eastward.

The eyelids of a Rajputs eyes are lowered only in death.

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I WILL JUST ROUGHLY TRANSLATE HIM WHAT HE WROTE TO ME IN PASHTO.

u son of a bitch get lost from our forum.this is pakistan forum not afghanitsan forum.
mods its time for you to take some pashto lessons

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i thought personal attacks ( personal as swearing at someone)was not allowed in this forum.

and yea the day americans stop using ur bases to attack the afghans (which means pak assist america to kill afghans)i will leave this pak forum(only the pak forum).

and i warn u last time not to swear at someone .remember he is not a pashtun who does not give a blow in reply of a pinch.

mods this guy asked me to be banned i ask u to ban him cuz he has a really bad mouth.

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You forgot something, the mods are Pakistani, in their favor it is allowed, even when these people happen to insult Islam.

An't I right?

btw, you are not the first, Ayub khan was kuta, and Bacha Khan was kaffir, you are son of kuta and a hindu from Hindustan.

You my friend, is public enemy number one.

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Dont think ur just gonna destry them they have nukes too.so lets pray thr is no war at all.

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yea lol maybe ur right.
stha khath millawo shwo khanna.

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mananna

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this is what we have experinced and yet we dont back off from fighting the greatest evil of all times.
and one guy and toopac zama qanoon.we love pashtuns in sarhad more than pashtuns in afghanistan.i myslef dont want too see pashtuns unhappy in pakistan .if thr happy with pakistan why wud i care . but thr rights are not protected thats why i cry for them.i want too see my pashtuns free and happy.if ur happy with pakistan why not u two move to some pakistani area cuz the pashtuns most of them in pashtunistan dont like ur goverment policies .
dont say afghans hate the pashtuns in sarhad if they did why wud they ask for the land than .
i quote sardar ali takkar here

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awoo zama pashtano yow dee ka pa ghar dee ka pa chamma.

With shelling, bombing day and night,
Explosions mighty left and right,
No lull, no break, not a respite,
The U.S. showing all its might.
But all this did not lead to fright.
Our brothers continued to fight,
For Paradise was ‘neath their sight.
That surely was a blessed night,
When you alone stood on the rock,
Your rifle set, bullets in stock.
Your hands you raised up to the sky,
And to Allah let out a cry:
“O Allah let me leave not here,
Until I get what I hold dear,
That is to be killed in Your way,
My life for You, Allah, I lay.”

please mods dont move this to poetry a humble request.

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I dont think anyones rights are protected in Pakistan… 10 people in Pakistan are worth less then 1 foreigner as far as the govt is concerned (specially if that foreigner is American) … That goes for all Pakistanis NOT JUST Pathans.

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[quote]
Originally posted by Wise Man:
**fakeer, I am thoroughly shocked and saddened by your corrupted and misguided views. I believe people like you simply cannot grasp rationalism, ground realities, facts or even good old nationalism. First make no mistake about ONE simple fact, you are NOT the ONLY pashtun in NWFP or Pakistan. Second of all, MOST pashtuns consider their motherland to be the land of Pakistan where there fathers and grandfathers toiled the soil day and night even before independance. Third, MOST pashtuns will not elect or choose in ANY fair and transparent elections EVER to join Afghanistan. Fourth, ANYBODY including yourself who chooses to be among the minority pashtuns who want to destroy Pakistan because of Govt. policies vis a vis Taliban is free to migrate to Kabul anytime they so wish. And last but not least, your emotional outbreak of hatred towards other ethnic nationalities in Pakistan is not helping the Afghans or your case in the genral public. Hatred towrads ones own country men (ex. Punjabies and others) will only destroy the very fabric of society where you were born and raised. Mark my words, your emotional hatred will only consume you further without resolving the issues that you hue and cry about so ignorantly.

I give you the benefit of doubt because your mind is young and impressionable. It seems you are quite immature and base your opinions
on sheer emotions and mere ethnicity rather than facts, reality or geo political understanding . I hope you change your destructive attitude and listen objectively to those who are more knowledgeable than you. **
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By calling someone’s views corrupted, misguided and emotionally influenced just because it doesn’t fit your reality doesn’t mean it is so. By using fools language to undermine statements is cheap and pathetic to gain depth.

If anyone can read here, you will find that fakeer in the beginning of his posts was/is all for Pakistan. Until Adnan posted his comments and ~Mickey~ pointed out that the same person calling him “illiterate Afghan” in another thread is now encouraging him by “You go bro” because his Ak47 is aiming towards Indian Planes instead of American.

It wasn’t fakeer that got all emotional; it was everyone else besides him who went into an emotional orgy. He had a point, and the point might not have been made in the right tone, but it was there and still is, why the double-standards?

If Tomorrow the 200 million Muslims of India decides to fight along Indian army, we as Pakistanis will be the first to call them traitors and kaffir slaves.

Side note: You don’t speak for all the Pashtoons in NWFP, period. No Pashtoon will want to join murderous Afghanistan when it is full of vultures like the farsiwan. Pashtoon have and always will struggle for their identity and recognition. Many of you do admit that these people were there before Pakistan was ever created, so if you are labeled NWFP (when you happen to represent the second largest group of the nation) would you be willing to take it as a divine judgment?

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Yea... Pakistan is "Lato Ka bhut Bato se Nahi Manega"
This time again Pakistan will loose like all last wars.
Poor Pakistan.!!!!!

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I would rather go down WITH the Indians then without them…

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Get over yourself.. I called him a “hot headed Pathan”… And that only because he called me a cowardly Pakistani, and I didn;t like that one bit

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… I was willing to apologize, he apparently is intent on holding a grudge… Suites me just fine. I SUPPORT THOSE WHO SUPPORT THEIR COUNTRY, my mistake if one of Fakeers post seemed even somwhat patriotic. If my “You GO Bro” Comment is so painful to you, I will be more then happy to edit, replacing it with something more along the lines of the Hot headed Pathan remark…
Idiot

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IndiaN TERRORISTS MORDABAD

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We are gonna destroy your country…

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Happy birthay. Will write u more when time permits.

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Please wakeup.Day dream is not so good.

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Fight for Justice

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But for testing purpose they need Mussy’s ASS or yours if you dont mind.

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I guess good idea.

Fight for Justice

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adnan ahmed i tol,d u before my friend just like u dont like a bit when i called u a coward same is my case .accepting a kafirs rule is cowardness.and a godless kafir that makes it even worse .if pashtuns dont fight for pakistan u have all the rights to call us cowards i wud accept that .but i know even if pashtuns dont want to fight the second day u’ll see thousands of pashtuns defending a country which has never and EVER gave them the rights to live free.why all the 32 story building in karachi lahore islamabad.why giving 50 crore rupees to rawalpindi to make it look like new york .
and sighs what pashtuns get is flooding of tarbela and further talks going on about flooding of nowshera by making the kalabagh dam.and yea putting those pashtuns in jails who talk to much .calling pashtuns to fight jihad and liberate kashmir and than when time comes on pashtuns u simply cease border.
i mean we never asked panjabis to fight we wud fight wherever our muslim brothers will need us .rather be afghanistan be kashmir be anywhere else.but why is that when a bunch of “HOT HEADEDS” wanna fight for thr own ppl than its terrorism.