Well he was really a man of honour, and it was him who "created" a spirit in the whole nation during testing times of 1965.
Also reported by Guardian:- http://www.guardian.co.uk/pakistan/Story/0,2763,721312,00.html
Although Pakistan’s army is regarded as better trained than India’s, it is vastly outnumbered, and it is considering recalling the 4,000 soldiers who make up the biggest contingent of the UN peacekeeping mission in Sierra Leone.
“This is one of the many options,” a defence official said. “We are also considering recalling 500,000 reserve soldiers and officers to face any situation in the event of a war with India.”
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Just a guess, because of quality, India is not in a mood of war as it was a week ago.
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my dad still talks about the speech he gave when india attacked pakistan ..my dad said i wasnt a man of guns but when he made that speech i even wanted to fight too.it was a really moving speech ..i wish i was thr at that time…
akhir pashtoon woh baba.
mickey i’l reply to you later right now am in a hurry .bya bo khabbaray kawoo ..pakhtoon yay khana .deh koom zee yay.
LOL… You Go Bro..
mickey walla da zargee khabara deh wakra khana.
i know pashtuns ( and its a fact do research whoever disagrees)if u look at the paksitani war history wherever they had with whenever.in 1965 war it was the pashtun leader who lead his country to a mighty victory even though pak was very weak at that time but it was ayub khan who gave pakistanis the hope.
in kashmir in 1947 more than ten thousand pashtuns went to fight for ur freedom struggle(if u have any doubt read that book “the way of pathans” written by some western journalist)and thr still fighting thr.
in kargil war my own friend who was a captain and other freinds too they told me for kargil everyone volunteered for the jihad and he told me thr were so many pashtuns voluunteer that we used to call it the panjab pashtunistan he said it was just like a small pashtunistan we had in the heart land of that conflict.plus if u look most of the shuhadaa were from the NLI (northern light infantry trained in the mountainouse regions)plus the two nishane haider awarded to were also pashtuns .captain sher khan and lalak jan sheheed.in kargil conflict thr were about 70 % pashtuns who fought.
and if u have time (whoever wants to know more about wat pashtuns wat they have given to pakistan and wat in return they got flooding of tarbilla thousands of people got homeless and yet thr planning on to make another damn in kalabagh and who will suffer ppl in nowshera. just read the book “pathans” “lawless frontier”,the wild west of southern and central asia",and many more) .
and yet still who are called the hot headeds huhhh THE BRAVE PASHTUNS andyea ppl call them dumbos and bay waqoof ..yea they are .. if they were bay waqoof i wonder how they brought all the super powers to thr knees .yea maybe some ppl are right i guess we are bay waqoof we fight till we die we make the land red with our blood.so our generations ( i’m talking about all not only pashtuns) cud live peacefully.we give away everything for the sake of islam for the sake of our pak brothers ..and in return we are portrayed as THE TERRORISTS by our own people forget the rest of the world.
yes mickey i one thousand percent agree with you we are bay waqoof’s why dying for a person for a land that doesnt even consider us as human beings.
mickey zhwandaye ossa bilkul deh sahee oway.monga pokar da chay chup kainoo awoo predoo chay so dayee kayee no kayee day .
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Exactly fakeer jaana, the same people that are saying, “you go BRO!” were saying, “these people need to be dealt with” allowing the Americans invade our homes/areas in which the Pakistani government itself wasn’t allowed for decades. Its not about Islam or Taliban, it was about our culture and code of conduct. They didn’t respect, something that we consider more valuable then our lives. Then why should we die or respect something they love so much? 15,000 Pakistani Pashtoons were allowed to be massacred near Paktai, those planes that flew over and carpet bombed those Pashtuns tribesmen into pieces took of from Pakistani soil. I still remember the images of 60 to 70 year old Pashtoons going toward the Afghan border to defend their brothers. That was considered stupidity, what do you consider this? You see the double standards don’t you? When the Pashtuns aimed their guns towards the Pakistani supported crusader planes, these people laughed at us saying, “these illiterate people are no match for American Superpower”, but when it comes to India, “YOU GO BRO!”
What ever may come their way, it will be from Allah (swt), He (swt) sees all. It was a test from Him (swt), and if Allah (swt) wants, they will pay dearly.
Pa ghairat mray gay no pa Islam mrai ga, pa Pakhtunkhawa mrai ga. Har yu Mullah de paysay gullam da. Pakhtun da dai or the Mullahwaano ghulam da. Or che koom Pakhtun de Pakhtanno da kha da para khabara kari, nu agha kaffar da, like Bacha Khan.
Why do you think Osama is not in Saudi or Palestine fighting his fight? Because he knows, that the only people that will seriously risk their lives for him in his quote: “Islamic Jihaad” and “Islamic brotherhood” as a whole will be these Pashtoons. Omar and the Taliban proved it. Even after that these very people said that they had a plan altogether, again undermining the ghairat and Pashtunwali of Pashtoons. The American Christian Priest (Father Gregory) in Peshawar shown on MSNBC and CNN realized this and stressed about this to the Americans, though you can’t blame the Americans for not understanding. But these people, even living with us for so many years, still don’t realize. What’s the point fighting this battle? If those people who died in WTC were innocents, what do you think these millions of Indians are who will die?
The last thing our people need is war, a stupid war, and a worthless war. Its time that we as people think about our own “national interest.”
p.s ze koom zi na yum? mmmmm..
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baad kay bo itawaayam. Allah pa amaal
ps.2 forget about Ayub Khan, what about Kadir Khan, the guy that build the damn bomb for Pakistan.
I know Pashthuns deserve our greatest appreciation, just today I read how some of the tribes were vowing to fight along side Pak army incase of war with India. All for the sake of their country and despite their own differences. I take back whatever I might have said before, Tribals apparently are loyal as we are.
As for the Tarbela dams etc etc… Long term may be a good thing but certainly the short term effects a dastardly and those who lost so much are more then entitled to what they lost… I dont know if we can put a price on such losses, but what more can we do? I hope the govt. see’s the logic and actually does something to repy those who lost their land and property.
Also, you mentioned famouse Pathans in Pak History.. But I think we ought to mention perhaps my favorite of all, the most inspirational Pathan leader of all and the man that would make all those who have anything negative to say about Pathans shut their mouth. I am talking about Abdul Ghafar Khan. I recently read his biography and was totally impressed by the man, He deserves way more credit then he is given. More Pathans and Pakis in general should try to emulate him…
I dont support those who harbor terrorists… Be they PATHAN PUNJABI OR OTHER… The point is not that they are Pathan, it is that they are harboring people who are wanted by the govt of Pakistan. Pathans do live in Pakistan, and Pakistan is governed by laws, and those living in Pak have to abide by those laws IF THEY ARE FAIR. It is fair to say that laws that ban terrorists from occupying Pak territory are there for a good reason and should be obeyed.
If someone be they Pathan Punjabi sindhi whatever, were to go against the law, he deserves to be brought to justice.. This Again is NOT A MATTER OF ETHNICITY.
I HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING AGAINST pathans, they are our country men and I give them the same respect I give to every other country men… Fakeer is right when he says Pathans have earned Pakistans undieing gratitude…
They deserve it and I for one give it to them.. As for Pak bombing Pathans… I for one dont think a single PAKISTANI SHOULD HAVE EVER FOUGHT IN AFGHANISTAN. But thats my oppinion. If Punjabis were fighting there and there are im certain, I would have no pronblems bombing them either. If you stand with the enemy, you are the enemy. I put the country before anything else… For example, I would respect a Pakistani Hindu more then I would an Indian muslim soldier. For me its a mater of national identity rather then a matter of religious or ethnic identity.
But your assumption that all Pakistanis are unappreciative shows a general lack of knowledge when it comes to many Pakistanis. I think its a lack of understanding more then anything else. You would certainly agree that not many have been have been able to understand the Pathans. Rather then repeat the same problems, you should make more of an effort to bridge the gap between Pathans and other Pakistanis. Thats why i mentioned Abdul Ghafar Khan. He did more for the Pathan image then anyone else, he showed people that Pathans were way more then what people had made them out be, as hard headed violent brutes. Its sad that there are not more people in Pakistan like him.
So please do not generalize ALL Pakistanis, and dont make STUPID assumptions.
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I dont support those who harbor terrorists... Be they PATHAN PUNJABI OR OTHER... The point is not that they are Pathan, it is that they are harboring people who are wanted by the govt of Pakistan.
To you they are terrorists, but to them they are those who came in the time of need. They gave their lives to protect Pashtoon mothers and sisters. They gave their lives for their Muslim brethren. Unlike Pakistanis, who many times forget, the Pashtoon don’t.
Pathans do live in Pakistan, and Pakistan is governed by laws, and those living in Pak have to abide by those laws IF THEY ARE FAIR. It is fair to say that laws that ban terrorists from occupying Pak territory are there for a good reason and should be obeyed.
Pashtuns don’t live in Pakistan, Pakistanis live on Pashtoon soil. In the lands where we are, 60 years ago there was no such thing as Pakistan. And what law are you talking about? Pashtoons have never followed any law but the Islamic law even if that came from the illiterate Mullahs. We as people have never lowered down to democracies, communism or dictatorships. We as individuals are born free, true independent. We have no leaders, we have no ruler. We are our own leaders. That is why it is so hard for us to unite under one authority, one idea.
They deserve it and I for one give it to them.. So please do not generalize us, and dont make stupid assumptions.
They deserve carpt bombs and over night apache helicopters sneaking on them and their women, that will bring them to their senses.
Fakeer is right when he says Pathans have earned Pakistans undieing gratitude...
They deserve it and I for one give it to them.. So please do not generalize us, and dont make stupid assumptions.
If Fakeer thinks that his people should give their lives for those who have again and again proven to be fruitless, then its his lost and my lost.
- today I read how some of the tribes were vowing to fight along side Pak army incase of war with India.*
Khars, Khars never realize. I wonder how much the Mullahs are going to be paid this time.
ps. Dont say or state anything that you'll have to take back. It only makes you look bad.
What makes people look bad is never taking back what they have said. I respect those who can admit when they were wrong. We are now living in the nation of PAKISTAN... Wake up and smell the coffee.. Pathan soil is PAKISTANI SOIL, Punjabi Soil is PAKISTANI SOIL, SIndhi soil is PAKISTAI SOIL... Same for all the soil in PAKISTAN. And yes, those that are harboring terrorsits deserve to be brought to justice. I dont think anyone can justify harboring Osama bin Laden OR Mullah OMAR or any other terrorist. You say they were in need?! What about the needs of those 2000 plus people whom they murdered? Did they not have needs? Does Islam advise us to treat murderers as guests? What if it were someone in your family that they had killed, would you still treat them like guests? Dont preach Islam when you dont understand sh-t about it. If you support these murderers, then im afraid your no worse then them.
My oppinion on Pathans I have stated clearly.. As for you, Your just an idiot, not because your a pathan, but because your an idiot.. Your an idiot because you are full of hatered for people you dont even know. We dont have any place for you in Pakistan. Rather then carpet bomb innocent pathans... We should just throw a bomb on you..
Pakistan Zindaaaabaaaaad...
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Let history be the judge of his deeds. Ayub Khan’s impact of Pakistani State began in 1947 and it continued till the end of his presidency. No man is without faults, but this man was a patriot through thick and thin.
The eyelids of a Rajputs eyes are lowered only in death.
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Everyone I always ask, says that the best times in Pakistan were under Ayub Khans rule…
There was a true patriot if ever we say one.
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Gooli ka gunda (or whatva) I suggest your read this particular article again, its international opinion. Pakistani forces are better trained, and most of all, they do not fear death as they know if they die fighting they will be Shaheeds... You Hindutvas dont think that way, I just hope you dont drop your dhotis while retreating...
adanan ahmed pardon me if i say sth wrong
but this is wat u called me and fellow pashtuns ( who u think are more preciouse than gold now cuz its a matter of your interest now).i remember u calling me " a typical hot headed afghani" and i dont think i can forget that .i dont expect any appology from your side either .cuz i know u didnt mean too its a pakistani nature when u dont have interests in us than we are “HOT HEADEDS” but when the great ISLAMIC EMIRATE OF PAKISTAN needs them than we become friends.. i remember telling you " WAT COMES AROUND GOES AROUND"..Yesterday u were makin such comments like hot headeds and all this b/s and today when ur in need now its ayub khan and ghaffar khan and all those guy.why do you call us when the time has come on you guys
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.why? .
mickey yaqqen waka hos dagha da kaar na raghlama ..doomra sakhth khob raghalay da ratha chay so owwayyam kho chay bas tha reply main waleedala no khob main laral
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i read about mulla omer in a western magazine soem where dammit i have to keep them i always throw them.
some screwed up journalist asked him
“mr Muhammad omer why dont u give up usama bin laden”
he replied
“my freind see we pashtun we care for our culture more than ourselves once we see a stranger in our village even though not knowing him we invite them to our house ppl argue over it that whos gonna take em home everyone tries to take that person to thr house so they can serve him good food good place to sleep and give him as much comfort as we can ..
osama that mujahid of islam shed his tears his blood in our land saved our pride our honor invested almost half of his wealth in rebuilding afghanistan.saved the izaath of our women daughters..you expect us to give him up huhhh …go back to your country.”
mickey ur right ror gwalla.pashtuns never forget the ehsan(favours) another person did to them.they will do thr best to return the favour before they die.u’ll see 1st i hope thr is no war but if thr is and when its over u’ll see ppl calling us hot headeds and illetrate jahil.
and all pashtuns can do is sit back hold thr “HOT” head and say " i gave my blood my life my kids life my friends life to see a smile on a fellow muslim’s face( pakistani).and in return thr maikng fun of me .that really brings tear to his eyes.not tears of scare ..tears of anger..
remember all my pakistani bro’s and sis’s ..“pashtuns have limitless love but they have boundless hatred”..read sth about pashtunwali.u’ll see the defination of “BADAL”.
Actually, the samething was also true during the '65 war… I’ve read very similar comments from American and U.K. press from that time.
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Go Pakistan…
You can only paint with the colors you’re given…
…so get what you like and like what you have.
loook at the difference between a pashtun leader and a paksitani leader ..
musharraf:
a guy who supported taliban goverment assisted them gave them weapons and when america came he just turned his back on them .waah waah wafadaaree iss ko kehthay hain ( this is wat we call wafadaree laugh out real loud).and now hes the president for another 5 years with the grace of united terrorists states of america.
mulla muhammad omer mujahid:
a warrior a true patriot a true representative of islamic republic of afghanistan .who gave his well established goverment for the sake of who ? islam and mulims brother hood.
who gave his eye for the sake of who ? islam and muslim brother hood.
who gave his son and father on one day ..for the sake of who ? islam and muslim brotherhood.
who probably sleeps in caves and in $hitiest places one cant even imagine with not enuf food..for the sake of who ?islam and muslim brotherhood.
who gave everything for the sake of islam i mean he cudve given up osama and ruled for another decade or so.but he knew that we owe all the arab mujahids and osama a lot.and he did prove his pashtoonwali and islam how much he care for things that are mentioned as hot headed stuff. but u pakistanis ( some of them wud never understand it)cuz ur modern u learn english in pakistani schools u impress ppl by talking in english wearing tight jeans and shirts to show off ...
while we sit in hujras and dont care for anything wats going on around have gup shup with our freinds.for us this is our life and everything and we're happy that way .we dont give a damn about wat ppl call us such as jahil and backward ...i wud rather live in my own dry mountain village mud house than live in bangalow.for me this is fun of my life living with the customs that my great ancestors left behind.
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Ayub khan's impact was not just felt on the military sides but also his great help to the farmers. he was the first to puch the tractors and moderenize the farming industry his famous quote "Ab behl thck gya hei" I wish we have more leaders like him only somehow they come from demorcratic site..