Re: Pak cinema: What would YOU want it to be like?
Man forget it. It’s him and it’s HIM. It’s over and I’ve proven my point 
Re: Pak cinema: What would YOU want it to be like?
i have also proven my point :bash:pata nahin ye bacha kub samjega:smack:
Re: Pak cinema: What would YOU want it to be like?
As a start, bollywood could do well with actresses from a decent background. Secondly, whenever producers like Syed noor tried something different, the film flopped and they reverted back to their formula stuff. We need producers who dare to be different.
Now I hope good times are ahead as music viedo directors are trying to make impact in movie making.
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you mean lollywood 
well yeh, when new things are tried they are floped, like laaj.
but syed noor did try alot of new storeys but that guy is an idiot, he cant live with out the fat auntie saima and even casts her as a teenager.
larki punjaban would have been a big hit if it didnt have her init. they had a show in the uk on ARY about LP after it released were ppl phoned in, and nearly 90% of the people said that they didnt go cos of saima and the ones that did go said it was a good movie but saima spoilt it.
we just need to get educated people in here.
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Bollywood has penetrated most folks’ subcocnious overhere, hasn’t it? 
…even when we want to say Lollywood [or Pakistani cinema as I would call it] it comes out as Bollywood…ugh!
Suhaib, Laaj was bad camera work and an awful screenplay/script - can you guys believe that they write the dialogues ON THE SPOT, before the scene…i.e no bound script exists [this is the case with the trashy Indie industry too].
On the Punjaban film, well yeah that actress is a huge liability, but Syed Noor has to to do it coz all the other actresses are so nakhraybaaz. He can work in peace with his beloved instead 
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First lets change the name... Lollywood sounds retarded.
Re: Pak cinema: What would YOU want it to be like?
Be radical.
Make movies that do not include songs and girls dancing right and left.
Make movies that have a focus. Don't try to include everything in. Movies on corruption, sectarianism, hardships of migration from village to city.
As long as the focus is on why a girl can't marry a guy and vice versa or a poor girl with a rich guy ... you can't really move on. The best place to start will be old classic Urdu novels. I believe if they start making movies on Manto's work, they will be an instant hit, in Pakistan and abroad. If his work is too edgy, go with more traditional stuff. Make a modern version of Askari Akbari etc.
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I think that IS a good idea actually. Can’t we have some equilibrium of sorts, some type of a hybrid of Shoaib Mansoor plays, the [good] Lahore productions with a smattering here and there of Iranian cinema?
Re: Pak cinema: What would YOU want it to be like?
ok man I must say I have talked to a lot of ppl about pak movies, and we have to make a difference, first change the camera and then work on story line and kick all paki actors out and get some ACTORS in
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I think the advrse effect of this “camera”, the root of all evils in cinema, the basic cause of the rot in Pak films is really overstated.
I must shatter this myth.
Do you know that most of your videos which are made on 35 mm, such as Abrar’s Jatt or the Jami directed Pal do Pal and Duur among many others, were shot on the same, bad, evil, outdated cameras?
There’s much more to film making than cameras. I agree in one respect though, that you might have to work harder with them but ta good end result is still possible. These videos I mentioned are a prime example.
Good cinema is not made by good cameras. A bad film is going to be a bad film, whether it’s made on the caemras they have now or the super-cool-new cameras they get later on. Cameras aside, the outdated labs and the whole technical support structure for 35mm film making needs a major overhaul. It’s not really all about those darned cameras!
A more prudent approach would be to start working on better scripts and stories, which attract the people’s attention and actually draw them to the theatres.
Re: Pak cinema: What would YOU want it to be like?
excellent point BRAVO
now I totally understand what u are sayin and I agree wit u 100%, now I am sorry i couldnt type what I xactly wanted to type as I was in a hurry, lekin khair now I will say what I wanted to
buddy u r totally right about cameras I just wanna say what I know, which is nothing, lately its just been that I really wanna go in film production and direction and I have never taken any courses and cant comment about lightning or cameras; one bad thing that I did c once while I was flippin through channels was that I came on prime TV and they showed an add of this movie which was gonna come out in a week or 2 and the quality of the trailer was so dark and horrible that right there and then u dont care about songs, stories, or even people who work in the movie, cuz if u would have watched the trailer (dont remeber the name) u would have seen that none of the characters video came out nice. Now I think whats goin on in Pakistan is dumb people makin dumb movies with laods of skin show to attract the lower class people, while the more knowledge based and thinking people doin the right thing have stepped in drama production giving it the class and quality and dialogues that u would never c in Indian Dramas.
What we need I think and this in no way is a professional opinion is same as u, get good story lines and kickout all these Meer’as and Reshams who claim they have worked in a 1000+ movies and get some good lookin and talented people in. M ovie business doesnot have to be skin show and for that to happen, ur demographics have to be revised so that we the people, stop watching INidan cinema and work with our own industry, sure it will take time, but some1 has to plant the foot in the right direction for others to work in that direction, and truly then quality qould be presented
Overall once agauin I am sorry I talked bout the cameras but u c I have no knowledge bout them and when some1 doesnt have no knowledge and c’s 2 different videos, one abrar’s and the other a paki movie well than obviously that person would be in a state of shock to know that both vids came out with same camera and a movie which has a larger buget had the crappier end of the vision
Thats why I am planning to goto Pakistan this summer and am tryin to get some numbers and email of production houses and just wanna check it out and if I like it InshAllah I will switch my major to film studies, but at the moment I am so into it that I dunno
lets c
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Thanks, and no problem buddy :) ...anytime! Good luck for your film making endeavors, though I doubt they have some good place for studying film making in Pakistan. I heard that NCA and Indus Valley in Karachi do have some stuff going on though.
Trust me, if anyone were to even utilize 75% of the talent present in Pak cinema currently, we'd be producing zillion times better quality stuff. It's about leadership and how they use this talent: definitely more polished people are needed who have the right attitude towards work.
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Well I tend to agree a bit with all of you but would like to add on that most videos made have not been made on the same cameras! They were made on ARRI 3 and to date you do not have a single flick made on those 3rd generation Arris. Ali Tabish has acted before in PHPM and this PPP is not his second film and who said we were trying to promote this as his first film...never..I cant take that away from Fahim Burney he is the one who introduced him. Our good luck is that the film lasted only a few shows before it bombed hence no one noticed him. Films sometimes fail due to the fact that they are simply bad films and other times due to reasons that cant be explained. However let me tell you with a conviction that no one in the world can gurantee a box office hit. Be it a comedy, tragedy, drama, social action or etc. For every hit I can show you a hundered flops in the same genere. So if there is one point that can be proven by this argument then that will be that a good film cannot be described it is only felt. It does not matter if the subject is local..it may help but the film in itself should be good to be able to hold on to an audience. How many of you did not like The LAst Of The Mohicans, Lawrence Of Arabia, Meet The Fockers, MI2 etc. A good film is universal and acceptable in all languages even if the original language or setting is absolutely alien like Grouching Tiger HIdden Dragon....It will not help us to criticise Laaj or LP or any other film What will help us though is a good strong vision a vision that tells a perfect story in a perfect manner. Salakhain was in my opinion a terrible film. I told Shahzad Rafique the director to change the plot quiet a bit and thankfully he did to some extent but not to my liking. For instance the currency of the stoy is Student unions. Now it has been almost 29 years that in pakistan student unions were banned and are not in use any more. This means that the film was using an outdated currency. Likewise at the end the hero dies in a police encounter, Thats too dark. I mean at the start of the film the hero is a good loving boy who is a great student and is victimised for his honestly. When you show him being gunned down by police you are sending a message of despair and hopelessness that any youngster who is good has a bleak future rather it must be glorified at the end so that others can make an example out of his sacrifice and feel that his life has taught them something.
The one single thing missing in our scripts is definitely the script, a good script. That includes, a screen play, a story line and diologues. But how do you get good stories regularly. You may have a Manto novel but to turn that into an effective screen play requires a definite potential. Thats been our point to introduced as a subject in colleges and universities so that the basics can be right. Its our basics that need redifining.
I remember my uncle had a very old car a Morris Oxford. But this one used to stop at every traffic signal, one day at the mall road it stopped as usual. The lights turned from red to green and red and green again. A woman behind me very conviniently kept on honking realising that my car would not start and that there was a definite mechanical failiure. I had no option but to get out of my car, go to the woman behind me and all I said was," why dont you start my car and I shall sit here and honk". She got out and helped me push mine. I wish some day you will all becoem directors and I shall have the luxury of telling yo how to make a good decent film!!!!!!!!!
Re: Pak cinema: What would YOU want it to be like?
Well I tend to agree a bit with all of you but would like to add on that most videos made have not been made on the same cameras! They were made on ARRI 3 and to date you do not have a single flick made on those 3rd generation Arris. Ali Tabish has acted before in PHPM and this PPP is not his second film and who said we were trying to promote this as his first film...never..I cant take that away from Fahim Burney he is the one who introduced him. Our good luck is that the film lasted only a few shows before it bombed hence no one noticed him. Films sometimes fail due to the fact that they are simply bad films and other times due to reasons that cant be explained. However let me tell you with a conviction that no one in the world can gurantee a box office hit. Be it a comedy, tragedy, drama, social action or etc. For every hit I can show you a hundered flops in the same genere. So if there is one point that can be proven by this argument then that will be that a good film cannot be described it is only felt. It does not matter if the subject is local..it may help but the film in itself should be good to be able to hold on to an audience. How many of you did not like The LAst Of The Mohicans, Lawrence Of Arabia, Meet The Fockers, MI2 etc. A good film is universal and acceptable in all languages even if the original language or setting is absolutely alien like Grouching Tiger HIdden Dragon....It will not help us to criticise Laaj or LP or any other film What will help us though is a good strong vision a vision that tells a perfect story in a perfect manner. Salakhain was in my opinion a terrible film. I told Shahzad Rafique the director to change the plot quiet a bit and thankfully he did to some extent but not to my liking. For instance the currency of the stoy is Student unions. Now it has been almost 29 years that in pakistan student unions were banned and are not in use any more. This means that the film was using an outdated currency. Likewise at the end the hero dies in a police encounter, Thats too dark. I mean at the start of the film the hero is a good loving boy who is a great student and is victimised for his honestly. When you show him being gunned down by police you are sending a message of despair and hopelessness that any youngster who is good has a bleak future rather it must be glorified at the end so that others can make an example out of his sacrifice and feel that his life has taught them something.
The one single thing missing in our scripts is definitely the script, a good script. That includes, a screen play, a story line and diologues. But how do you get good stories regularly. You may have a Manto novel but to turn that into an effective screen play requires a definite potential. Thats been our point to introduced as a subject in colleges and universities so that the basics can be right. Its our basics that need redifining.
I remember my uncle had a very old car a Morris Oxford. But this one used to stop at every traffic signal, one day at the mall road it stopped as usual. The lights turned from red to green and red and green again. A woman behind me very conviniently kept on honking realising that my car would not start and that there was a definite mechanical failiure. I had no option but to get out of my car, go to the woman behind me and all I said was," why dont you start my car and I shall sit here and honk". She got out and helped me push mine. I wish some day you will all becoem directors and I shall have the luxury of telling yo how to make a good decent film!!!!!!!!!
Re: Pak cinema: What would YOU want it to be like?
very wekll written, see what I think is that we all want our industry to succend but its not in our hands and than we see ou neighbours who progresse3d so much and we think why cant we do the same, now this is my opinion. Also I was told that when india and paksiatn sytarted makin movies and everthing was the same pak had better movies than what was the reason for the failure, is it to be blamed on piracy when theatres are shuttin down non stop and no one is payin to watch the movies