Pair of male & female

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Re: Pair of male & female

@bella88

you mentioned why identical twins are not always gay, so i showed you that they don’t have 100% same genes. they donot have all the same traits, so if one is gay, the other one is likely to be gay too (60% chance) but not 100 % because they have differences in their dna.

scientists have not pinpointed to a specific gene causing homosexuality, just like there hasn’t been a specific gene pointed for various cancers, conditions where genetics do play are role.
not only is there a genetic factor, but other biological factors also play a role in determining sexual orientation. here is some things to support my claims:

A host of studies since the mid-1990s have found common biological traits between gay men, including left-handedness and the direction of hair whorls. The likelihood that if one identical twin is gay, the other will be also be gay is much higher than the “concordance” of homosexuality between fraternal twins, indicating that genes play a role in sexual orientation, but are not the entire cause.

“In the past decade, I think the pendulum has swung more toward biological theory and biological causes,” said Richard Lippa, a psychology professor at California State University-Fullerton, who has studied hair patterns and other biological traits in gay men.

Sven Bocklandt, a geneticist at the David Geffen school of medicine at UCLA, is bewildered by the argument that people choose their sexual attraction. He said that virtually every animal species that has been studied - from sheep to fruit flies - has a small minority of individuals who demonstrate homosexual activity.
US researchers find evidence that homosexuality linked to genetics | World news | theguardian.com

im guessing these people know more biology than you and I?
you call tell me to go read a bio book, but please explain that to geneticists who have done years of studing and research, have phDs, and working in a world renowned universities who are claiming homosexuality to have biological causes.

But its fine when you compare homosexuality to bestiality and pedophilia??
i mentioned left handedness because according to you, everything thats not in majority is automatically an abnormality.

Even you as the biggest supporter of homosexuality will have problem.

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@bella88

And if all heterosexuals use birth control, then guess what will happen to humanity? so using your theory, shouldnt birth control also be wrong and must be banned for our preservation?** is there a possiblity that all heterosexual population will use birth control?** using your logic, you must admit that birth control is unnatural and wrong and can pose a great danger to humanity if everyone uses it.
just how how all straight peopole donot prevent pregnancy, the same way, all humans will not become gay. this has never happened in history. homosexuality has been present for thousands of years in history, and has always been a small minority. it still is very small minority, just known more through better media.

who proves whats ‘right’? yes being a diabetic is not good for you, but that is because it can cause damage to your organs, and eventually death. how is homosexuality the same as diabetes or hemophilia? you keep making ridiculous comparison, yet when i make comparison to COUNTER yours, you ridicule my arguments.

as i mentioned earlier, very few genes have been found for specific conditions. homosexuality is not just genes, but many other biological factors. (things that a person has no control over)

Diabetes is also inherited but do all children born to diabetic parents become diabetic?

here is some evidence:
*It’s not in written in our DNA sequence itself, they suggest, which explains why scientists have failed so far to find “gay genes,” despite intensive investigations. I**nstead, it’s written in how our genes are expressed: that is, in certain modifications to how and when DNA is activated. *These changes can have environmental roots, so are not normally permanent enough to be passed from parent to child. But occasionally, they are.
Read more: New Insight into the (Epi)Genetic Roots of Homosexuality | TIME.com New Insight into the (Epi)Genetic Roots of Homosexuality | TIME.com

New Insight into the (Epi)Genetic Roots of Homosexuality | TIME.com

A new study suggests that homosexuality can be explained by biology, though not by genes specifically. Instead, the researchers propose that there are sex-specific epi-marks on the genes that are triggered during fetal development to maintain a hormone level balance. These switches cause fluctuations in DNA expression that impacts sexual development, including sexual identity and various other gender characteristics.

Study Finds Biological Causes For Homosexuality | ThinkProgress

So many geneticist, scientists and psychiatrists are claiming homosexuality has biological causes, are you going to disagree with all of them, despre their knowledge is alot more than yours?

masturbation is abnormal yet the majority of population does it. is it wrong? so many married men who have wives still do it from time to time, does that make it even more wrong?

for straight people yes.your statement is not valid for a homosexual since a homosexual male is not getting pleasure from female.

again, more ridiculous claims. you cannot dictate what someone else must enjoy or find disgusting.
and also, a female body was also not designed to prevent getting pregnant by purposely taking pills to prevent ovulation. but females do that. birth control does seem very unnatural and wrong possibly using your logic

Please explain, why geneticists and biologist who have much more education than you are are saying sexual orientatin is biological and not a choice?

Just to clarify, a gay persons biology is not the same as yours, (same anatomical structure does not mean same biology)
you are wrong on all levels and I have given plenty of evidence how homosexuality is NOT a choice, but due to other factors not in our control.
you can call it ‘unnatural’ or ‘abnormal’. it still doesn’t change the fact that it’s not a choice and someone whos gay does not have the same attraction to a female as you do, yet you continue to ignore the scientific evidence.
why does homosexuality exist in other species if its so biologically wrong? do animals have control over their instincts? over 1500 species show homosexual behavior. **what is the reason behind a duck being gay?
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1,500 animal species practice homosexuality

a gay person can never stop being attracted to members of the same sex, but they can learn not to act on their desires if they consider it a sin or morally wrong.** morally/religiously wrong is very different from being biologically wrong. their biology is not the same as yours. **
you can say it’s morally wrong according to your beliefs, and I will respect that view 100%. However, claiming biological reasoning behind why it’s wrong is not scientific.

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I think you keep bringing the same arguments so i keep saying the same in return.

You need to establish a method:

I counter one argument of yours and if you bring another I have a right to say you lost that argument. Deal???

Now: I simply asked you to give me the proof from any biology book that male body part is MEANT for another gay man by mother nature. Or same question for female for another female. Bring valid scientific proof for something so obviously physical in nature… not just your opinion.

If you cannot bring the proof, at least be honest and accept that I refuted one of your argument successfully. Then we can move on to other points you raise.

So far I have refuted your twin genetic study. You failed to prove there is genetic reason for being gay. Your link did not show any proof for such gene. It did not even talk about homosexuality.