expert view of air war
http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/today/editor/opi5.htm
PAF versus IAF according to history.
1965:
PAF Claims vs. Official List of IAF Losses
IAF Claims vs. Official List of PAF Losses
1971:
Indian Air Losses of the 1971 War (Unofficial List)
Pakistani Air Losses of the 1971 War (Official List)
Hey dont bite me…they are from an indian site 
From none Indo/Pak site. http://www.webruler.com/aircombat/
PAF kills:- http://www.webruler.com/aircombat/paf.htm
IAF kills:- http://www.webruler.com/aircombat/IAF_Kills.htm
India itself seems to be relying on its airforce to gain an edge over Pakistan in case of a war. An army takeover seems to be out of the question because of inferior and undertrained troops, combined with inferior equipment.
However, indias airforce is even more in shambles compared to its army. So I wonder where exactly their arrogance is derived from?
it's derived from the fact that they know they won't actually be doing anything, so all this sabre-rattling is a hoopla basically.
India might have a bigger airforce, but they dont have the skills of people like M.M. Alam. All international defence journals hail his Alam’s Speed-shooting Classics.
http://www.defencejournal.com/2001/september/alam.htm
Eye-witnesses who saw Alam in action say he makes topgun look like childs play.
After Tony Blair's peace initiative, England
may sell 60 Hawk trainers to India. The
Guardian article is in today's print. This
kind of sours my opinion of Blair as India
does not need more armaments. Pakistan has a
frozen defense budget. Just bring it to your
attention.
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Originally posted by Akif:
**India itself seems to be relying on its airforce to gain an edge over Pakistan in case of a war. An army takeover seems to be out of the question because of inferior and undertrained troops, combined with inferior equipment.
However, indias airforce is even more in shambles compared to its army. So I wonder where exactly their arrogance is derived from?**
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typical mindset of certain quarters in Pakistani society .. so out of touch with reality ...
Is it because of India's "inferior and undertrained troops, combined with inferior equipment" that Pakistan has yet not been able to evict Indians out of Siachen?
And is it because of these reasons that India has been interdicting Pak's movoments in Neelam valley for the last 5,6 yrs and has even encroached inside the valley?? and I know this is not something army would like people to know about ... kinda hits on their hi-god image at home.
And last but not least ... was it for these reasons that India had finally gotten the Kargil heights back from Pak?
Oh .. did you know that Kargil peaks happened to be Pakistani terrirtory till 1971 when army lost it to India even though the deployment ratio on both sides was 1:1.
May be we should start taking enemy worth its grains of salt .. this silly attitude of 1 Pakistani soldier[belly full of imported beer] equals 10 Indian soldiers has brought enugh disasters & humiliation upon this nation.
Yep India has recovered each and every inch of Kargil as a matter of fact they celebrate their vijays right on top of 5353.
abdali you can sit on peak 5353 and smoke 555
as long asyou want but dont come down to valley.
Actually I love camping last time it was at mount Evans in Colorado. And I don’t like 555 any way. hehe its like saddam drawing lines again and warning US. Today its 5353 who knows what tomorrow.
BTW what you think of those 70 trucks blown by muj.
may by a pakistani drunk driver
Abdali…lol…u got 5353 in ur dreams?..
LOL!!!
http://www.tehelka.com/channels/investigations/2000/july/22/in072200dass.htm
[This message has been edited by Abdali (edited January 12, 2002).]
Way to go Abdali!!! You sure know how to send them back to vijayland
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btw abdali, you dont happen to be from Cadet College Hassan Abdal? just curious cuz of your nick
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[This message has been edited by Spock (edited January 12, 2002).]
No but my cousin is..