PAF Planes dropping like dead flies.

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it seems like the rampant corruption in the armed forces is beginning to take its toll.

http://thenews.jang.com.pk/daily_detail.asp?id=59778

PESHAWAR: A military jet crashed on Friday near the Afghan border, but the two pilots ejected safely, an official said. The Chinese-built FT-6 fighter was on a routine training flight when it crashed in a few kilometres southwest of Peshawar, said Pakistan Air Force spokesman Sarfraz Ahmed Khan. Both pilots ejected safely and there was no report of injuries or damage to property on the ground, Khan said. A technical fault in the engine appeared to have caused the crash, which was under investigation, he said. The crash is at least the fifth of a military jet since December.

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Oh yes, 50 year old planes dropping like flies and I am shaking in my boots... LOL...happy now...

I hope they drop on mullahs head that would serve good purpose even for vintage junk.

The Random Thread
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The reason is that PAF, thanks to American money are actually flying more.

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In that case, US money should have been used to properly maintain those jets as well don't you think?

Though Pakistan is the leader [specialist?] in maintaining F6 and F7s, F6 is a harder jet to maintain than I think MiG15 or MiG17. You need to rehaul every 500 hours? and it is true that these jets are past their prime. I hope not that corruption is taking its tool in KAMRA as well. :o

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Just sell the planes to LTTE and retire all the jokers calling themselves piilots. On the civiian side PIA has built such a great reputation that EU has thrown them out. Let those guys fly the paf and may be that's one way to get rid of both.Why is a paf neede anyway. Hasn't been used and not likely to be used ever. Just whittle it to a few planes that the great generals and their nephews can use for dubai shopping trips.

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The pilots are not to blame - the poor guys are being made to fly old & unreliable planes.

So many young lives have been wasted. In India the MIG 21's were called the flying coffins.!!

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FT-6 is nothing more than a tin box, i wonder we must be one of the few countries still flying it where as it has been thrown to museums elsewhere.

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What corruption? Last year, Pakistan spent around 4 billion dollars on defence. This year total federal budget was of around 30 billion dollars that exclude a large chunk of provincial budgets. Out of those 30 billion dollars 2007-2008 federal budget, defence budget is 4.5 billion dollars (or 2.8 percent of GDP, a historical low).

The 4.5 billion dollars defence budget pays for over 1 million people working in defence (their salary and facilities) plus all those fuel expenses and expensive equipments that country armed forces (Army, Navy, and Air force) needs.

Now this budget is allocated to Pakistani forces so that they can defend against aggression or at least could counter that, from especially India, so we have to compare defence budget and defence requirements with India. Thus, with such meagre defence budget compare to India, Pakistan has to keep flying out of date, out of shelf life, tin box crafts.

Indian 2007-2008 defence budget is over 21 billion dollars, whereas other expense in addition to 21 billion dollars is around a third more (covering defence pensions and other defence related expences).

Thus, when Pakistan forces is reasonably doing the job of holding out in front of India at one fifth the cost, I do not think that it would be fair to blame Pakistan forces of corruption. Well, corruption might be there at very low level in Pakistani defence too, but than it is negligible when compared to our bureaucracy, judiciary, police, and executives (politicians).

[Note: India excludes cost of defence pensions, para military forces, and defence ministry from their defence budget. India excludes defence pensions from defence budget since 1985 and now Pakistan has also started doing that since 2000].

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over and above this 4.5 billion dollars, Pakistan is earning almost a billion dollars from rent-an-army in Waziristan operation and almost 2 billion dollars a year as reimbursement from its peacekeeping operations in the world. Please keep your figures correct.

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:rotfl:
Joke of the day.

Jokes aside, the FT-6 (JJ6) is a very old trainer aircraft from the 1950’s. Since it is a ‘trainer’ aircraft, common sense would tell you that the person operating it is most likely a student-pilot on a training mission. Trainers have higher chances of crashing due to the immaturity & inexperience of the students flying it. Apart from that, the plane is very old (been in PAF service for over 40 years), with loads of flight hours (which degrades its quality), which further increases the chances of it crashing.
The fighter version of this aircraft was phased out of the PAF, in 2000. Only 12-15 are left in the PAF (for training purposes) and are about to be phased out as well (either this year or 2008).

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^^...wanted to add more to that...The reason PAF still using these planes is cuz
PAF's A-5 doesnt have a trainer version ....the pilots are trained on F-6 cuz of the avionics and cockpit layout similarities..to A-5.
thats why PAF is still keeping these planes...till the A-5's phase out.

TARIQ AKHTAR...... your post was disappointing.....

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Good Information Muali!

So what is expected to replace A-5?

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Jf-17

http://www.paklinks.com/gs/showthread.php?t=247074