US to provide 14 F-16 jet planes to Pakistan
Updated at: 1626 PST, Saturday, March 27, 2010
US to provide 14 F-16 jet planes to Pakistan ISLAMABAD: The United States has agreed to provide another 14 F-16 jet planes to Pakistan, Air Chief Marshal Rao Qamar Suleman said at a media briefing Saturday.
The Pakistan Air Force is capable of thwarting both conventional and unconventional threats from enemy, he said.
hi
what is the model of F-16
is it F-16A/B or F-16 block50/52
just asking because american wants to sell these machines to us as well
regards
jeetIAF
Re: PAF getting 14 more F-16's
F-16 C/D Block 52+
hi
to us they are offering
F-16IN SUPER VIPER
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The Hindu
***The aircraft’s maker Lockheed Martin has assured India that the F-16s being offered to it would be better than the one provided to Pakistan.
*** Lockheed Martin, the American aerospace specialist on Monday said the F-16 aircraft being offered India would be “much more advanced” than the fighters provided to Pakistan.
Speaking to visiting Indian journalists in Dallas, Texas, Orville Prins, Vice-President, Business Development (India) said, “I can assure you, the Super Viper is much more advanced in all aspects than the F-16s being given to Pakistan.”
Mr. Prins’ assurance comes in the wake of reports that India was concerned over the U.S. providing Pakistan with a new set of F-16 aircraft, a decision which could be a crucial geopolitical factor when the Indian Air Force (IAF) decides on the $10-billion Medium Multi-role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) tender, described as “mother of all deals.”
According to a statement by Lockheed Martin, the F-16IN Super Viper is the “ultimate fourth generation fighter” and is tailored exclusively to meet or exceed all of India’s Medium Multi Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) requirements.
The company said the aircraft is “the right choice for the Indian Air Force (IAF) and is ready for integration into India’s infrastructure and operations now.” Evolutionary integration of fifth generation technologies makes the F-16IN the most advanced fourth generation fighter in the world today, said the company.
However, Mr. Prins declined to discuss details regarding the company’s dealings with Pakistan, adding that Lockheed Martin was not the firm that was selling anything to any country, but was simply partnering with the U.S. Air Force.
Mr. Prins pointed out that it was not only Lockheed Martin that was supplying to Islamabad, but there were six other contenders in the MMRCA race, including the U.S.'s Boeing, the French D’Assault, the Swedish Gripen, the European consortium EADS, and the Russian MiG.
can you tell me any other acquisition plan of PAF dear
regards
jeetIAF
hi to us they are offering F-16IN SUPER VIPER
can you tell me any other acquisition plan of PAF dear regards jeetIAF
PAF is getting:
250-300 JF-17's (16 have been inducted).
36- 40 FC-20 (an upgraded version of J-10, maybe J-10B, numbers rumoured to reach 150, will be inducted around 2013)
~32 F-16 Block 52+ ( and another option on 18 more present, will be inducted this year)
Very less chances that IAF will go for F-16 IN.
Very less chances that IAF will go for F-16 IN.
agreed,
but still it is premature to say IAF would not be intersted in it.
flight trial of F-16IN and F-18 hornet is yet to be completed, they would be coming in summer to get tested in the heat of Rajasthan.
other three MiG-35, Rafale, Eurofighter have concluded their trial.
PAF is using F-16 since 1983(correct me if I am wrong) so more experienced in this machines, so its little risky to have F-16
IAF had MiGs and Mirages
so Mig-35 and Rafale becomes most likely choice.
Any deal in PAF about Helicopters?
agreed, but still it is premature to say IAF would not be intersted in it. flight trial of F-16IN and F-18 hornet is yet to be completed, they would be coming in summer to get tested in the heat of Rajasthan. other three MiG-35, Rafale, Eurofighter have concluded their trial. PAF is using F-16 since 1983(correct me if I am wrong) so more experienced in this machines, so its little risky to have F-16 IAF had MiGs and Mirages so Mig-35 and Rafale becomes most likely choice.
Any deal in PAF about Helicopters?
MRCA has been going on for a long time now, so its always premature to say anything.
F-16 A/B is different from F-16 C/D and E/F and beyond in structure however avionics can be upgraded.F-16 A/B is more agile than later versions which are better in avionics etc.
PAF has is getting C/D now and has experience with E/F thru UAE.
The most likely winner can be F-18 or Mig-35. followed by EF and the Rafale.
PAF is getting Mi-17 and bell series choppers constantly.
MMRCA would take time, even delivery to be concluded by 2015, as IAF will get tailor made aircrafts according to our own requirement.
like you might be knowing SU30MKI is tailor made according to our requirement...
one more question
in PAF, women officer are granted permanent commision or short service commision?
MMRCA would take time, even delivery to be concluded by 2015, as IAF will get tailor made aircrafts according to our own requirement. like you might be knowing SU30MKI is tailor made according to our requirement...
one more question
in PAF, women officer are granted permanent commision or short service commision?
The way MRCA is being handled , the delivery will start around 2015 and conclude in 2020's. SU-30 MKI is a great plane but has a huge RCS for an early detection.
It would have been better for IAF to include more MKI instead of MRCA, because it already flies many types of aircraft and maintenance,spares and logistics becomes harder.
permanent commission.
The way MRCA is being handled , the delivery will start around 2015 and conclude in 2020's. SU-30 MKI is a great plane but has a huge RCS for an early detection. It would have been better for IAF to include more MKI instead of MRCA, because it already flies many types of aircraft and maintenance,spares and logistics becomes harder.
permanent commission.
Right now, IAF flies no more than 42 SU-30MKI, totally 248 to be inducted in IAF.
Actually, we don’t need an air superiority fighter; we need a medium multi role fighter to replace ageing squadrons of Mig-21s and Jaguar fighter bomber.
After kargil 1999 IAF felt that we need an aircraft that can attack targets on hills more accurately and decisively, that is the reason flight trial include
Bangalore for moderate whether condition
Laddakh for hilly terrain
Rajasthan for hot and dry terrain.
jaguar is anglo french aircraft of BAE, we fly Hawk Advance Jet Trainer of same company.
mirage-2000 is of Dassault, they are offering Rafale, Dassault has excellent record in providing spares.
MiG is IAF's backbone.
flying to many variants and maintaining them is truly a logistical nightmare.
that is why deal will include all post sales service requirements of IAF
PAF grants only permanent commission or both permanent and short service commission to its cadets?
jeetIAF
Right now, IAF flies no more than 42 SU-30MKI, totally 248 to be inducted in IAF. Actually, we don’t need an air superiority fighter; we need a medium multi role fighter to replace ageing squadrons of Mig-21s and Jaguar fighter bomber. After kargil 1999 IAF felt that we need an aircraft that can attack targets on hills more accurately and decisively, that is the reason flight trial include Bangalore for moderate whether condition Laddakh for hilly terrain Rajasthan for hot and dry terrain.
jaguar is anglo french aircraft of BAE, we fly Hawk Advance Jet Trainer of same company. mirage-2000 is of Dassault, they are offering Rafale, Dassault has excellent record in providing spares. MiG is IAF's backbone. flying to many variants and maintaining them is truly a logistical nightmare. that is why deal will include all post sales service requirements of IAF
PAF grants only permanent commission or both permanent and short service commission to its cadets?
jeetIAF
MKI is a Multi-role fighter itself. However its expensive to operate and maintain.Its main advantage is its long range and huge ordnance carriage with so many hard points.
IAF uses Mig-29 as main Air superiority fighter. Mirage-2000 is for ground attack but has multi-role capability and it proved itself in Kargil bombing runs and attacks, whereas migs(23 and 27) were a failure.
Jaguar, Mig 21, Mig 27 need to be replaced. But the main problem is that apart from replacing, IAF is already down on its sanctioned strength by 4-6 squadrons.
A total of atleast 300+ aircraft need to be replaced and currently IAF's strength is low on squadrons.
For MRCA , the RFP was floated in 2007, with tech evaluations starting in 2008 and over in 2009, and keeping in mind that 126 aircraft will need to be made, 2015 is too early a date for induction even.
IAF is flying 6 types atleast and retiring 3 will bring 4 more in (LCA/MRCA/FGFA/MCA), where as PAF is flying 6 types and retain only 3(JF-17,F-16,FC-20) from 2015 onwards. and bear in mind all these are single engined jets.
I am aware of permanent commission.
Re: PAF getting 14 more F-16's
Su-30 MKI is twin engined, so there is excessive fuel consumption, unlike 1991, in 2010 we dont have problem of cash, the machinery of high quality are normally expensive
MiG-29 is wonderful machines, I know it from early days of my life, again a twin engined, it is most nimble if not the most agile close combat air superiority fighter, equipped with BVRAAM, it becomes dangerous, with BRAHMOS in its wings by the year end it would become lethal.
MiG-23 and MiG-25 are already grounded and decommissioned
MiG 27 is good reconnaissance aircraft, apart from being fighter/bomber.
what makes you think it is a failure?
IAF is down by 5 squadron, that is why MMRCA is there
apart from this IAF is trying to increase sanctioned strength to 60 (though not sure) to project itself powerfully in Indian ocean
twin engine has its own benefits like it decreases aircraft vulnerability.
Do PAF is equipped with BVRAAM
jeetIAF
Resources are always limited and the whole world is going through a tough phase in these years, so its hard to believe that in 2010, cash problem isnt an issue. The airframe of SU-30 is not expensive, India has used western (and Israeli) avionics and other upgrades in it. So its a Russian plane with western electronics.
Mig-29 has its own set of problems and after 2009 crash in Russia after which Mig-29's were grounded, in a disclosure in Parliament, Defence Minister A. K. Antony said the MiG-29 is structurally flawed in that it has a tendency to develop cracks due to corrosion in the tail fin, although IAF has not encountered major problems concerning the issue.
This plane has gone upgrade 2 times and 3rd time upgrades have started since 2008. Its not clear whether the airframe will go undergo upgrades too, just like F-16's of PAF.
Mig-27 had problems negotiating bombing missions in high altitude of Kargil episode, bringing Mirage-2000 in the scene.
PAF F-16 Block-15 had undergone the OCU upgrade enabling them to carry BVR AAM with APG-66 Radar. Pakistan is doubted to have acquired AIM-7 Sparrow but PAF denies it. The ROSE Mirage-3/5 planes can also carry BVR-AAM.
Currently the BVR-AAM are SD-10 used on JF-17 and AIM-120C5 used on F-16.
Mirage-3/5 used H-2 and H-4 out-of-sight target A2G bombs which have ranges of 50 km+( 60km and 120km) and Exocet AShM having range of 60 km+.
Re: PAF getting 14 more F-16's
Good news,..
What I know that a whole bunch of PAF guys were in the US for like 9 months to get properly trained on these advanced machines... Two of them my dearest friends from Squadron no9 Griffins :D.