Very sad. An air warrior lost during a routine training flight. I’m not sure yet which base or sqn he was from. But i think the name was Omer something. Not sure of the rank yet either.
http://dawn.com/2006/04/05/welcome.htm
Any updates anyone…?
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Flt Lt Omar Bashir Dogar....from No 14 Sqn, PAF....aboard an F-7P aircraft....crashed near Pindigheb....
may Allah Bless him with the best of Rewards...Aameen.
i remember him as a composed and outstanding guy since our days at Sargodha......he was from 26th Entry....Tempest House....whats tragic is that his parents had a fatal road accident some years back on GT Road, near Wah.......young Omar was too young to sustain that tragedy.....
may Alah Bless them all......Aameen.
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Chinese F-7 is updated version of now obsolete MIG-21(Russia) and generally known as Flying Coffin owing to high crash rate.should we not procure modern & more safer jets for our precious young pilots?
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^seleucus,
true F-7 is a version of the Mig but it has been altered and modified with such expertise that in PAF it has no such fatal problems. The PAF crash statistics over the years dont point towards any particular problem with this aircraft.
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Thanks for the update Mehrtaab :k:
Hows it going?
May Allah bless them all.
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^Sure thing :)
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PAF has no problems because the PAF has one of the least amount of trainging times of any air force. More importantly, the F-7 is completely obsolete and was obsolete by the time Chinese began production. This is not an aircraft that has any real capabilities and cannot match any modern aircraft, or the later variants of the MiG-21 even.
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least amount of training? What sort of training are you tralking about? Military, Academic or Flight? Flight Training is done in steps and steps vary from airforce to airforce. And all air forces try and keep up to Int'l standards.
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hey haris zuberi - A'salam.
i was wondering - do you know if pakistani military has reserve officer training - like ROTC in the US...? its like when ur in training, but doing ur univ education at the same time. does pakistan do that?
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p.c.p,
No, Pakistan doesnt have a reserve officer training stream like the US. However, military service in various specialized fields like engineering, medicine, psychiatry, education, law, finance etc gives people an opportunity to get trained by the military on military expense and serve them for a certain period of time which ranges from 5 yrs and over. It's 13 years for medicine & engineering undergrad cadets. But these officers serve as regulars.
As for the reserve force, there is a very small number and almost entirely comprised of retired/ early retired officers and men.
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Haris where should I start? Lack of training: It is one of the air forces with the least time in the air. Till late, Pakistani F-16's did not get much flying time because of a lack of spares. Pakistani air force plays second fiddle to the army, and as such only trains in ground support and close air support roles. More than half of the air force is dedicated to close ground support.
Pakistani F-16 pilots have almost no time in the air, have not participated in combined military exercises, "train" on second rate Chinese MiG 21 knock offs.
I'm not sure what international standards you are talking about, but as one US Airforce general once said, once Pakistani acquires Chinese jets it is longing for and "upgrades" it force strength and quality, it will have one of the best 1970's era air forces.
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flying coffin is the name used by IAF pilots for HAL built fishbeds
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^:k:
NiU,
Which US general are you talking about?
And F-16s comprise only 2 squadrons of the PAF at the moment and the world knows the reasons behind their limited role.
Plus i’m ok with your assumptions about the PAF’s active role being only limited to ground support-if thats what your airforce thinks and bases its strategy upon, good for us! What better than the enemy living in the dark 
On the other hand back in the 80s (the last time PAF saw significant action ala dog fights during the soviet-afghan war) when the F-16s were new and the F-16 pilots only ‘newly’ converted to the falcons, they were quite easily able to tackle the intruding jets and even manage a few kills.
It’s simple firing claims and counter claims in the dark, easier yet to underestimate and ridicule an opposing side.
P.S. We’re way off the thread topic.