PAF code disallows long beards for pilots

PAF code disallows long beards for pilots

By Raja Asghar

ISLAMABAD, April 10: The government told the National Assembly on Monday a dress code disallowed Pakistan Air Force (PAF) pilots to wear long beards for being a flying hazard, but there was no bar on short, trimmed beards.

The statement came after an opposition member raised what Speaker Chaudhry Amir Hussain called a “very important and sensitive matter” and sought a debate on the reported forced retirement of one PAF officer and the grounding of four others for refusing to shave their beards.

The chair reserved its ruling on whether to admit or reject the adjournment motion for a debate sought by Muttahida Majlis-i- Amal (MMA) member Liaqat Baloch, who described the PAF action against five flyers as un-Islamic and a violation of Pakistan’s constitution.

The motion was based on a report in last month’s Herald magazine that identified the five PAF pilots against whom, it said, disciplinary action had been taken for their beards.

Parliamentary secretary for defence Tanveer Hussain Syed confirmed a penal action was taken after a violation of the PAF code and disobedience of orders by a squadron leader who he said had also incited others to grow long beards, but did not specify what exactly was done against whom.

He said the PAF had put no bar on any personnel of any rank to keep a beard and “never ordered anyone to shave their beards”.

“But there had to be a limit to the length of the beard,” he said, citing what he called the service code provisions necessary for the safety of pilots and their aircraft.

He said a long beard could interfere with the functioning of tight-fitting oxygen masks that the PAF pilots must wear on their faces during flights that can take them as high as 70,000 to 80,000 feet.

While a short beard would be in order, a long beard would not allow a proper adjustment of the mask on the face and leave a gap that could result in the loss of pilot’s life and the aircraft, Mr Syed said.

He said a squadron leader, Mohsin Hayat Ranjha, had kept a beard since he joined the PAF in 1987 as a cadet but he broke the code by growing a long beard in 2003 and “incited others” to do the same.

Mr Syed said Mr Ranjha refused when the officers were asked to trim their beards to a permissible size and added: “Anyone disobeying an order has to suffer a punishment.”

Mr Baloch dismissed Mr Syed’s account as “baseless” and said no institution had the right to interfere in religious matters.

Parliamentary Affairs Minister Sher Afgan Niazi said the issue was not fit for an adjournment motion but advised Mr Syed and Mr Baloch to “sit together” to discuss between themselves and possibly with the PAF high command rather than publicise a sensitive matter in the house.

The Speaker too asked the parliamentary secretary and the MMA member to discuss the matter between themselves as he reserved his ruling on admitting the adjournment motion.

http://www.dawn.com/2006/04/11/nat3.htm

Re: PAF code disallows long beards for pilots

short beards are still allowed.Their lives are more important then a long beard I think ullemas should pass a fatwa regarding the size of beards for these kind of individuals as far as I know beard is not fard but sporting one is a sunnah.They should have continued with a trimmed beard

Anyway whats the position of indian airforce because they have sikhs in the armed forces too .Do they have a simlar code???

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See. There's pure logic behind the whole situation and it turns out to be very close to what was predicted and deciphered from the previous incomplete reports, in the older thread. Jumping to extreme conclusions and making way for propaganda is never the right option.

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Mr Baloch dismissed Mr Syed’s account as “baseless” and said no institution had the right to interfere in religious matters.
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Liaquat Baloch should be given a ride in a fighter to better understand what's being discussed here.

Frankly, Islam is a moderate religion. it's about time some mufti issued a fatwa concerning soldiers, their duties and obligations to their service, state and countrymen as well as religion. If a soldier decides to adapt to a certain style and that style is against what the state desires of him, he in my opinion is obligated to comply by the standards expected. It's not like the state is asking him to commit a sin.

If the pilots in this case know what's being done, and i'm sure they'd know better than all of us what's behind all this, and they still feel they couldn't change their new thinking, the honourable way would be to respect the service, public sentiment, the state and the religion, and request honourable transfer to a diff job. If that weren't possible, accepting the ruling equally boldly, realizing their own concern as well as that of the PAF would have been the best option. Challenging and defying orders always leads to messy situations (and i'm not sure if the officers personally have challenged any decision). All that has come out of this is ridicule for the PAF, Islam and the concerned officers. The stiff and rebellious stance makes the non or short bearded officers seem like lesser muslims, lesser soldiers or lesser pilots. Which obviously is not the case. I'm sure a logical fatwa would advise soldiers to adapt to the requirements as much as possible. Or else we should await a fatwa asking all muslims to completely abandon the profession of fighter flying because it is unislamic as it keeps muslim men from keeping long beards. Surely that can not be because islam allows modernism and encourages being equipped to defend through prevailing modern means.

With all due respect to the sentiments of these officers and their bold action.

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Syed,
The Sikhs use a piece of cloth round the chin and jaw to tightly wrap the beard. Perhaps that helps them in cockpits.

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I think so the beard of prof ghafoor ahmed of jamaat is fine according to the PAF code.nasrulah shaji sports a short beard not to mention hanif abbasi clean shaven.I think liaquat baloch saab should look at their beards too do these guys have beards which are according to the jamati standards

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These "Ulemas" should keep themselves busy in Halwa Khori, or Hojra Baazi, instead of worrying about a mordern concept such as flighing a fighter plane.

Why do we even care what a Maulvi has to say in the matters where his limited intellect is of no value?

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We still have some learned ullemas left .I respect them and most of the pakistani have similar views.I dont consider the fake jehadi or MMA politicians as ullema. beard has a religious significance and if they pass afatwa regarding this issue it will surely help

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Exactly, antiobl

If you wanna grow a beard and still serve in the Pakistan Armed forces, then join the Army or Navy

Air-Force, it makes perfect logical sense

Infact, all US pilots have to be clean shaven

since temperatures in high altitutes gets very cold, facial hair can actually freeze and cause the entire body's temperate to drop

its a danger to the pilot and the multi-million dollar plane

Personally, I hate facial Hair.

I love being clean shaven

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Is Pakistan an Islamic republic or not? PAF pilots should be not only allowed to sport long beards, in fact should be forced to wear long beards. They are defending Islam while ignoring it? Makes sense but not a lot.

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religion = boring.

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What has beard got to do with Islam or fighter planes?

Would you insist that all IAF pilots must wear skirt-like-dhoti in Pundit style? Would you force paan-biri on IAF pilots? Would you ask IAF pilots to lean Katthak dance before they could qualify for pilot license?

Nutz. Simply Nutz.

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If you are given the opportunity to
face the enemy in a plane to die to be shaheed
beard size wont matter,
but dont loose the opportunity, you have to stay in the zone, dont backup
the brother who took the stand, must know that his decision
is based on islamic-essence or interpreted-islam

For Mr Mohsin - Are There Other Reasons you take your stand?
For PAF Authorities - Are There Other Reasons you take your stand?

If there is even single other reason except glorifying God
Stop this nonsence and do some Soul Searching First

Re: PAF code disallows long beards for pilots

The only thing that makes sense here is you, being an ignorant fool.
What does growing a **long **beard have to do with Islam? Islam asks us to grow a beard. It doesn't ask us to make it 10foot long. It can be 1/2 inch long, or trimmed, as long as it is there.

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is your fist 1/2 inches long?

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Hmmmm! Seems like Nikhil is coming out of closet! Going around GS male members asking about length, breadths, or girths. Strange!

p.s. It must be the same "wind" that resulted in Bharat's first shall I say "sepcial" club recently.

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first of all Islam doesn't say to grow a beard...

its something the Prophet Muhammed (PBUH) did...

its recommended but not required...

since there were no good razors or shaving cream in 6th century arabia, shaving in the desert with a knife without boiling water to wash the face after the shave often resulted in blisters developing, to counter this, it was said not to shave but to grow beards....

now that we have good razors, shaving cream and hot water, we can shave

its idiotic things like this, like If you don't grow a beard you are no longer a muslim, that shows that Muslims have a long way to go before they understand their religion fully

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M8 u need a reality check

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Where did I say it does? I said it asks us, not orders us.