Watching this made me extremely angry at how our men were abandoned by dictator Musharraf to die from their wounds in the cold. Pathetic display by the army leadership. Shame on all of them and those who supported them.
These guys were sent on a futile war and then abandoned? This is the Pak Army legacy.
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Not even a reply from anyone? If we ignore it, it didn't happen.
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This is the sacrafice the Army jawans are asked to make... Its debatable whether this was worth it or not, but ultimately, it was a sacrafice that they were asked to make. Its what soldiers are trained to do, its what they are meant to do.
Pakistan isnt the only country that has sent its army to fight a thankless brutal war. I for one am proud of what these men did for the sake of the country.
The only sticking point is that they were never given the proper appreciation for their sacrafice. They deserve the nations gratitude. Regardless of whether the cause was just or not, they died fighting for their country.
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Only MQM sympathizers would fall for this indian propganda. Also, just because a few soldiers (that too jawans) claim they werent rescued at proper times does not mean the army blatantly surrendered and left all their men. Try harder next time.
musharaf, al-keera, isi, poonjabiz, nawaz, shujaat, army, very bad, ab khush?
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How many here would of joined our brethren in the battle if you were there? Insha'ALLAH i would have...
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It's always nice to ask other people to make sacrifices for your own glory, isn't it? If you go to war, you better make sure you support your soldiers 100%, or you don't go at all. In this case, not only was the PAF kept in the dark, even the rest of the army was not allowed to help these guys. Have you heard the term, "leave no solider behind"? In this case, it was leave all the wounded and dead behind and retreat. This is not what military tradition is all about. This is not normal to leave your men to the onslaught of enemy air and artillery bombardment. These people were abandoned, there is no question about that. It was a political decision to abandon them, but the end result is the same, isn't it?
Spock, it is interesting to note your disdain for jawans. They're the ones who do most of the dying. Have some respect for them.
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kekashan, most of these jawans are from the oppressive all-poonjabi regime that you hate so much, so you should be happy (it will bring a smile on altaf bhayyaz kalli boothi too)...
plus im waiting for proof, how do we know these guys whose video you posted are actually those that fought in kargil? from the author of the guy who posted the video, its clear its some anti-pakistani hate monger...
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Ok heres the authors input from your link:
Continuation from Part 1. Pakistani PoWs admit and confirm each and everything India claimed about Kargil.
My Answer:
If all of this was true, why was India's dhotiz on fire when they were getting a whooping? As for point 3, how does this video prove there were no mujahideen? I mean even if this isnt a bollywood video, and these soldiers are real, how does that prove there wasnt any mujahideen? I dont even know what the author means by the last point.
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The Armies JOB is to fight for the nations ‘glory.’
The nature of this mission was such that it had to be kept secret, and those who were sent would understand that for it to be even remotely succesful, no one could know about it considering the risk involved.
The wisdom of the move may be in question, but the soldiers job is to fight no matter the odds, so long as there is a some chance of success. Its the sad part of war, and has been happening for as long as there have been wars to be fought.
Your criticsm is not of Pakistani establishment, but of the concept of war in general.
Eventually Pakistan well have to give these guys the credit they deserve, but this is the sacrafice they have had to make.
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You are all forgetting the main point. This secret war originally took place to liberate the oppressed civillians of jammu and kashmir. America threatened pakistan at that time who didnt have any nuclear weapons, who was already engaged in fighting india. We should still never have stopped because we were winning Alhamdulilah with just 5000 freedom fighters against 30 000 heavily armed indian and ghurkha troops, and the disaster of stopping was not only with the soldiers/mujahideen/rebels, but the the kashmiri civillians who had welcomed us. Many villages were wiped out Astaqfurullah.
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Totally agreed.
India could have gotten their whole army killed there and wouldnt stand a chance of taking kargil back.
If we(pakistanis) were real mujahid we would naver had stopped till complete victory.
If we had fear of allah instead of usa
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these were not regular army guys.these were afghans and pustuns recruited by isi to infiltrate into kargil.now musharraf is trying to kill them as they ve turned against him
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Few of those guys they were from FF (frontier force) that frontier force do exist.
I have trined with them so I dont think it was fake.
my friends best friend has killed dozens of indian in kargel with his own hands.
So i guess it was as real as it gets.
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If we(pakistanis) were real mujahid we would naver had stopped till complete victory. If we had fear of ALLAH swt instead of usa
Jazakh'ALLAH Khair. Excellent point, and very wise. We have learnt our lesson now, next time it should be done properly Insha'ALLAH...
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Keep believing that I hate punjabis when I don’t. And most of them were from NLI, which is also why it was made a regiment right after the war.
Even in a secret war, you don’t abandon your own people without providing them the means of fighting back. And these guys were ordered to go fight. They were not asked to volunteer for any secret mission where they would risk being disowned by the army. That is the issue here. These people were deliberately not told of the real anture of their mission.
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Khehkeshan only one thing
before e-mail/internet cane i use to write letter to my brother in 8-NLI
I have written that address(8-NLI) with my own hands.
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As for point 3, how does this video prove there were no mujahideen? I mean even if this isnt a bollywood video, and these soldiers are real, how does that prove there wasnt any mujahideen? I dont even know what the author means by the last point.
I guess you should see the Part-I also which proves that these soldiers are real. In that, the soldiers mention their name, rank, regiment, and their own several-digit serial number. This can be verified by Pakistani army.
Regarding point 3, Pakistan had always claimed that the infiltrators were mostly mujahideen and got some support from soldiers, but these men were captured from the frontlines which kind of hints at the other way round.
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The fault was with lack of proper forsight on the part of the Pakistani generals. From what I understand, they believed that these lightly armed few men were all they needed to hold the place, atleast for the short term. The ultimate goal was to hold out just long enough to cut of supply routes to the North, particularly to Siachin… This was a risky maneauver, and they simply coudnt provide much back up, because this would result in a escalation beyond the point they were willing to take it.
Ultimately it depends on percieve this… Was the risk worth it? I think so, since if succesful it could have meant really screwing up Indian lines, and bring a lot of moral to the Army and nation as whole, having captured such strategic point (Which from my understanding the Indians had captured themselves just before the LOC came into effect).
Otherwise, the mission was a relative success in the short term except the Indians had raised the stakes and Nawaz had it all called off.
So yeah, these men are upset, and understandably so… But they are soldiers and they have to take it in stride. Soldiers are just tools sadly enough no matter how we gloss it over.
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knockout_artist,
good to know your brother served in the 8 NLI. Is he still serving?
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not any more he is in mohmind rifes now.
His mother unit is FF.