P h o t o g r a p h s _ o f _ A F G H A N _ W O M E N

Entertainment Media
21

YoungBrat,

I have no objection to you posting this news story all by itself. But its relevance here is highly questionable. I don't plan to remove it from this thread right now. Let everyone see how you present your view point.

Next time, if you post something on Indian atrocities on Kashmir and an Indian replies back by posting the newstory of Javed Iqbal who murdered 60 kids in Lahore and tell you what right you have of talking about India when kids are being murdered in your own backyard... how would you feel and how will you respond? Isolated crimes/acts of individuals should not be compared to government sponsored moves and edicts.

It will be more favorable if someone presents the opinion that the dress code enforced by Talibaan is in line with Islamic injuctions. Instead of confusing the issue by going off in tangents and bringing in isolated crime stories. I must confess I am quite disappointed in the way you have carried yourself here.

22

[quote]
Originally posted by babydoll:
In the second set of picture 1995(b4 taleban) women looked happier and cheerful.
[/quote]

How do you know???? have you seen their faces????

23

Sara zoor un kay burqay per hi qyoon hai.
How many of you have done anything to help Afghanese. How many of you have done anything to alleviate their sufferings from the sanctions/ or lift their sanctions. Children are dying due to lack of medicine and food.
You think if take off their "BURAQ" all their problems will be solved. I think not. Do You?

[Sultan]

24

Exactly what i wanted to say…how can you tell if they are smiling or crying??? I think they look beautiful, and if this is what the Taleban is doing then i completely agree with them

http://www3.pak.org/gupshup/smilies/ok.gif

Muni how can you say the pics from 1995 are modest??? I guess it depends on how you define modest, but from an islamic point of view, they aren’t appropriate.

Why does everyone thing, this is a punishment to these women??? and like these ppl are being tortured, they are given more respect. These are beautiful women, and wearing burqa increases their beauty, makes it something special, no all out there for the whole world to see.

Wo baraa raheem aur kareem hai, mujhai yeh sift be ataa karai…
Tujhai bhoolnaiki mai duaa karoon, to mairee duaa mai aasaar na ho

25

I agree with Pristine (moderator) 100%. Isolated occurences and incidents should not be used to label a whole nation or a group of people as terrorists... and i am sure fellow guppies from USA know very well what i am talking about... how the whole USA jumped on muslims at the time of Oklahoma city bombing until mcveigh was caught is a prime example. While there is nothing wrong with burqah and the face covering element of burqah, i am sure young-brat will agree with the fact that facial purdah has been left upto the individual women by many islamic jurists... in other words, chadar or scarf is compulsory, where the head and hair are covered along the rest of the body, but not the face-covering. My own mother wears a chadar or hijab with an open face. I donot claim to be an islamic jurist, and would appreciate anyone's input. By the way pristine, are you a project manager in real life? you use excellent and to the point language.

26

I'm curious to know WHERE you got these pictures from. I have seen an Afghani woman WITH her face showing. It was in the New York Times as well as in New Trend, an Islamic newspaper.

*"Labaik, Allahumma Labaik, Labaik La Sharika Laka Labaik, Innal Hamda Wa N'amata Laka Wal Mulk, La Sharika Lak." "Here I am at your service, O Allah, here I am. Here I am at your service and no partners do you have. Verily All Praise and All Bounty belong to you, and Yours alone is The Sovereignty. No partners do you have."
*

27

I guess we are fighting without a point.

For those who thik, YB is wrong, see whats the orders in quran for women, i.e. to dress modestly, cover themselves even to extent that their sound must not reach to strangers.

I dont thing getting independence, wearing less clothes means HAPPINESS, if its the case then those who think so must start at their homes.

Afghanistan is alhamdolillah a country wgicg has implemented quran and islamic laws. Its not a democracy or kindomship, its islamic society so people must think in this way.

When these GORAS get a job in saudia where their wives have to cover themselves they become happy, but regards same thing as forceful in afghanistan.

28

muni, how can pre-1995 girls modest in an un-islamic dress?

please explain.

29

[quote]
Originally posted by Pristine:
I have no objection to you posting this news story all by itself. But its relevance here is highly questionable. I don't plan to remove it from this thread right now. Let everyone see how you present your view point.

My point is simple; hypocrisy is the way to go for such people. I have never seen them post anything that shows a lil bit of wrong in their own, but they always try to make something out of nothing when it comes to Muslims. My reason to post this was to show him that even in such a great country like India where women are treated ‘quote “equally” are soled to Westerns if the price is right. This is not an old thing; it has been going on in California for years. There have been many voices against such things in Indian community here, and majorities of them were Indian women. Why the hypocrisy?

Next time, if you post something on Indian atrocities on Kashmir and an Indian replies back by posting the newstory of Javed Iqbal who murdered 60 kids in Lahore and tell you what right you have of talking about India when kids are being murdered in your own backyard... how would you feel and how will you respond? Isolated crimes/acts of individuals should not be compared to government sponsored moves and edicts.

You know and as well as everyone else here know that it is traditional. Afghanistan is under Pashtoon rule now, so if its not going to follow the Pashtoon traditions then who do you think they should fallow? Amreekan? In the Sikh community of Afghanistan they follow their traditions, and in the Hindu they follow theirs and in Majority Pashtoon areas they will follow their traditions as long as it according to their religious beliefs, even a 5 year old child will understand that.

It will be more favorable if someone presents the opinion that the dress code enforced by Talibaan is in line with Islamic injuctions. Instead of confusing the issue by going off in tangents and bringing in isolated crime stories.

Honestly, do you really think that it is worth it for a guy like old monkey? People that want respect should earn it. All he ever did is mock Islam and Muslims, so I mocked him!

I must confess I am quite disappointed in the way you have carried yourself here.

Not that I am proud of it, I know I could have done better in such mud-slinging, but see, people that have respect don’t bother disrespecting others. But sometime, sometime it is essential to show the monkeys how much they stink.

Salaam

PS, sorry for the late reply, I didn’t know you bothered to answer.

[/quote]

We are the Taleban-Resistance is Futile
Sin: Osama Bin Junior

[This message has been edited by yOuNgBrAt (edited June 27, 2001).]

30

The important issue is that wearing the Burqa is forced by others. Why not let women wear what they are confortable with.

For those who dont like to see women faces, please lower your eyes. Dont force women to stop your eyes from rambling and your mind wandering.

[This message has been edited by Tanhaa (edited June 27, 2001).]

31

*You know and as well as everyone else here know that it is traditional. Afghanistan is under Pashtoon rule now, so if its not going to follow the Pashtoon traditions then who do you think they should fallow? Amreekan? In the Sikh community of Afghanistan they follow their traditions, and in the Hindu they follow theirs and in Majority Pashtoon areas they will follow their traditions as long as it according to their religious beliefs, even a 5 year old child will understand that. *

This is a valid point and it corresponds to the original post. Your point is well taken that burqa had been a part of their tradition all along. Right? And this is the way you should have responded to this post in the first place. If you read above, some other members have responded in a very mature manner by stating their opinion that this dress code has been there all along and this is according to Islamic teachings.

But when you took off on a tangent and brought in an unrelated crime story, which was neither government-sponsored nor a representation of hindu traditions per se, you left a very bad taste in the mouth. I am not saying that the crime is not worth debating, but its positioning here was beyond comprehension.

Equally important, respect and abuse is a two-way street. Maybe you have a history of mud-slinging with Old Monk in other sections, and hence you feel justified in calling him names. I am sure you know that this behavior is not tolerated in any section of this forum. Politics included. I had already explained the reasons for this earlier. I hope you will keep those in mind next time.

Thanks!

32

A poem dedicated to Afghan Women

I remember you...
I remember you...

when you have no choice, no voice, no rights, no existence
when you have no laughs, no joy, no freedom, no resistance
your pain, your agony, your silence, your loneliness
your anger, your frustration, your cries, your unhappiness

I remember you...

when you are abused, attacked, beaten and veiled
when you are tortured, strangled, choked and almost killed
you feel numbness, nothingness, lifelessness and tears
your are a shadow, a ghost, a creature with many fears

I remember you...

when you in the darkness, stillness of a star-less night
lift your arms to the sky, with sadness and fright
and ask the universe with eyes full of tears and pain
why all these crimes? for what reason? can anyone explain?

I remember you...

when you finally will rise and stand on your feet!
and say " No! I will not stand for anymore defeat!"
you will break the chains, burn the veil and destroy the walls!
you will scream with all your might "Damn you all!"

I remember you...

when you take the solemn oath that you will struggle, resist and fight
that you will gain your freedom with all your might
that you will never give up, no matter how heavy the cost
never again will you be confused, pitiful and lost

I remember you...

when you gain your rights, reach your goals and hope(s)
but the path is hard, full of obstacles, you must learn how to cope
to cope while struggling for your ultimate goal
a-reborn woman, free, independent and whole

by Dr. Zieba Shorish-Shamley

33

posting a few picturez cannot justify the living of an afghani woman...with or without burqa is not our concern...whoever posted these picturez..i have 1 simple question 4 u...if ur really this much concern abt them then y don't u go there and voice ur opinion...by posting picturez on a public forum won't do any good to any1...and afterall therez not reason to post such picturez...

Alf Allah Chunmbay Di Booti...Mere Maan Vich Murshad Lai Huu..
Naffi Asbaat Da Paani Mallaya...Har Raggay HarJai Huu
[Sultan Bahuu]...

34

Old Monk, I'm just a lil' curious, if you don't mind my asking,

What are your thoughts in regards to that poem? What does it signify to you exactly?

35

[quote]
Originally posted by Tanhaa:
The important issue is that wearing the Burqa is forced by others. Why not let women wear what they are confortable with.

Forcing of cloths or dressing/dress code on people is a law in every so-called “civilized society”. Even in the west in some countries you are allowed to be topless but wont let you take all your cloths off. In some places they have special reserved parks where people can hang around nude, but are not allowed to be in the main stream public because it is ‘quote: “not acceptable”. Laws and rules are there in every way to make human life better; it’s that there are different perceptions of such laws. Some bother to let them be nude, some bother to let them be topless, and of course there are some that wont allowed you to even show your face! Respect every law of every man and country! Doesn’t take a genius to figure that out.

For those who dont like to see women faces, please lower your eyes.

Who said they don’t like to see women faces? They just don’t want anyone’s dirty eyes and thoughts to be laid on their women. For some it is okay for their mothers and sisters to hang around topless, but for some it is not. So by the same token, for some it is not okay for their females to show faces.

[/quote]

We are the Taleban-Resistance is Futile
Sin: Osama Bin Junior

36

But when you took off on a tangent and brought in an unrelated crime story, which was neither government-sponsored nor a representation of hindu traditions per se, you left a very bad taste in the mouth. I am not saying that the crime is not worth debating, but its positioning here was beyond comprehension.

What if I tell you that it was about religion? What if I tell you that they did bring up cast system in Hindu religion and culture when they viewed the show about the two girls and their family back in India? And the answer to those two questions is YES they did! But I didn't want to bring in religion because I have no intention to. Because I an’t no monkey, simple!

Thanks!

We are the Taleban-Resistance is Futile
Sin: Osama Bin Junior

37

[quote]
Originally posted by Tanhaa:
**The important issue is that wearing the Burqa is forced by others. Why not let women wear what they are confortable with.

For those who dont like to see women faces, please lower your eyes. Dont force women to stop your eyes from rambling and your mind wandering.

**
[/quote]

if you took islam or its message as others. I think you mean Mohammad(PBUH).
If you or old monk have any problem with Burqa or hijjab MAN thats 100% yours.

When you become member of certain club you are abide by its rules and regulations unlike in clubs Islam does`t throw you out but you are answerable to GOd.

My persnol view is that Sharam and haya should be in the eyes.but thats my persnol view and for that im answerable to Allaha but i dont have this courage to say that "let them wear what they want"

Talibans may have taken few steps which are taken in haste like closing schools and jobs for females.But you have no idea what happened to Afghanistan before Talibaan,give them few years and plz dont try to judge them now its too early and tanaha im sure you won`t be dispointed with the outcome.