There is an obvious change in value system as people move to cities from villages. The change always happens, swiftly for some, slowly for others.
What I am interested to know is, how does it change when people move from one country to another?
Like Pakistanis who have moved to west 2 decades or 3 decades ago; is there a difference in values from Pakistan? Have you observed/experienced any? What changes have you observed?
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There are millions of Pakistanis abroad in several different countries. Some change, some don’t. There is no ‘value system’.
Explain what you mean by value system.
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I am guessing integrating into new society and adapting new ideas and habits.
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By value system i mean the social/cultural norms that people practice. Things that are accepted vs things that are frowned upon, values/ideals that considered more important compared to others and so on.
I ask this because I have read here on the forum a huge divide between overseas pakistanis and those living inside paksitan. There seems to be an elemant of distrust/doubt/anxiety about the other side in terms of value systems. The fob vs abcd debates and how people in the west are very suspicious of those from pakistan (especially regarding marriage) etc.
I don’t think ppl inside Pakistan are a monolithic entity with an identical set of norms, same is true of ppl outside Pakistan, expats, 1st gen, 2nd gen immigrants to a different place, what place, what is the family background, what set of practices did the family have in Pakistan all varies quite significantly. You can easily find ppl in Birmingham who are more conservative and orthodox than many ppl in Pakistani cities, and vice versa.
Broader trends can be seen in all groups, but whether they apply or apply equally to sub segments and individuals is very hard to get at.
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Overseas Pakistanis have utilized an adaptation technique, and are accustomed to a bicultural lifestyle. At home they live a traditional Pakistani life as possible…most speak native languages at home (Urdu/Punjabi/Pashto etc.) and in public/school/work would speak English. The old values and hierarchical decision-making patterns are generally still respected.
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There are many generations of OP’s in the West and then there is a division based on social , economic , ethnic , and cultural background. Each of these groups has its own set of value system.
There are various generations and groups who are very conservative and then there are ultra modern and ultra liberal groups.
Some of these folks are bicultural and some are not.
Majority of these folks still are proud of their roots and their , food , religion , dress style and lifestyle still manifest their background.
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Pakistanis never change no matter where they go. They stay the same even after 2 or 3 decades.
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I have learnt more respect for everyone. Have become accustomed to standing in line/ que, greet the salesperson at stores, have also become used to going to the mosque ( as a woman you generally don’t do that in Pakistan).
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They all still love biryani and enjoy the occasional salaan chawal ( noted exception @Sentry )
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They form queue and wait for their turn.
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They don’t look down on someone just coz he is a waiter or a taxi driver and don’t look up to someone just coz they are a molvi or has a meter-long beard.
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Except at the Pakistani Embassy and Haandi restaurant (Talking about NYC)
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and they have still maintained their long staring habits
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lol, speak for yourself
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False. A lot of examples in life1 alone
Instead they will look down on someone just coz he is a molvi or has a meter-long beard
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The glass half full analysis - they use the MKS system?
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By this measure, one can argue, same kind of people, are found in Pakistan too. We are talking generalities.
The second part is definitely not true, at least in my experience. It is another thing you learn living in the west, you don’t judge a whole set of people based on what a few do. The molvi’s that don’t get respect probably don’t deserve it, and it is not based on what they look like, but what they did. I can cite many examples. Then there are the sincere ones that are widely respected. Again not for their looks, but what they preach and how they go about doing it.
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I know personally that after moving overseas my parents have become much more open minded. Being exposed to so many different cultures in one place can teach you respect for others. What I’ve found is that those who do move overseas generally become more religious, but at they same time they become more open minded and accepting of other people. My parents are fiercely proud of their heritage, and so am I.