Over a quarter of British Muslims have sympathy for the Charlie Hebdo terrorists

Over a quarter of British Muslims have sympathy for the Charlie Hebdo terrorists. That is far too many.

Just because you wouldn’t personally go out and murder people, it doesn’t make you moderate. We cannot turn a blind eye to the fair-weather supporters of terrorism

Over a quarter of British Muslims have sympathy for the Charlie Hebdo terrorists. That is far too many - Telegraph

This morning the BBC published details of a major poll of the attitudes of Britain’s Muslims. The headline on the front of the BBC website linking to the research states: “Muslims ‘oppose cartoon reprisals’”. This of course relates to attitudes within the Muslim community towards the** recent Charlie Hebdo attacks**.

It’s a reassuring headline. It’s also wrong. Many Muslims - a majority - do indeed utterly oppose the murderous killings in Paris. But a very, very large number of Muslims don’t. Presented with the statement “I have some sympathy for the motives behind the Charlie Hebdo attacks in Paris”, 27 seven percent agreed with the statement. A further 2 per cent refused to answer the question. And an additional eight percent said they were unsure whether they had some sympathy or not.

That is a shocking figure. And an utterly shaming one for Britain’s Muslim community. If this poll is accurate, over a quarter of British Muslims overtly sympathise with the motives of those responsible for the cold blooded murder of 16 journalists, police officers and Jews.

Below the report is an article by BBC Today program reporter Sima Kotecha. It begins: “Islam is a religion of peace and love - not violence: sentiments that have been expressed numerous times here in Bradford. Out of the dozens of people I’ve spoken to, an overwhelming majority have said they’re angry that their interpretation of Islam has been eclipsed by an extreme ideology that is too often projected in the media."

That statement - and those sentiments - are simply not compatible with the BBC’s own research. In a separate finding, the BBC found 68 per cent of Muslims believed “acts of violence against those who published such images [of the prophet Mohammed] could never be justified”. Which means 32 per cent of those questioned take a different view. Another question asked respondents if they agreed with the statement “Muslim clerics who preach that violence against the West can be justified are out of touch with mainstream opinion”. 49 per cent agreed. Meaning again, that a majority of Muslims either disagree or sit on the fence.
All of this raises two serious questions. The first relates to the BBC’s reporting. Let’s set aside their use of the word “reprisal” in the headline (reprisal for what, exactly?). Imagine if the BBC had commissioned a poll in the wake of the murder of Stephen Lawrence, and that poll had found 27 per cent of white Britons agreed with the statement “I have some sympathy for the motives behind his stabbing”. Imagine if, in an additional finding, 32 per cent of white Briton’s refused to endorse the statement “acts of unprovoked violence against black men can never be justified”.

Rightly, there would be outrage at those findings. And the BBC would be leading the charge. The focus, correctly, would be on the large number of people who expressed sympathy with the attacks. We would certainly not have religious propaganda masquerading as news analysis in the middle of the BBC’s report.
But a much fundamental question relates to the poll’s actual findings. There is no point continuing to stick our heads in the sand: a large number of British Muslims think the Charlie Hebdo attacks were in some way justified. People may not want to accept that. I don’t want to accept it. But it’s a fact.

We are going to have to start to reassess what we mean by “moderate Islam”. At the moment, we essentially define a moderate Muslim as any Muslim who doesn’t go around blowing things up, or who doesn’t go round overtly advocating other people should blow things up. It’s ludicrously simplistic, sickeningly patronising, and actually represents a form of inverted racism.

More importantly, it also has the practical effect of marginalising and undermining the significant number of genuinely moderate Muslims who want nothing to with the “I wouldn’t have done it myself, but…” Charlie Hebdo apologists within their community.

If you think the Paris killings were justified - in any way - then you’re not a moderate. By definition, you’re an extremist. Fine, you’re not a terrorist. But just because you wouldn’t personally walk into a Jewish supermarket and start indiscriminately murdering people does not of itself make you a case study in moderation. We set the bar a little higher than that.

Over a quarter of British Muslims have some sympathy with the Charlie Hebdo attacks. That is sickening, reprehensible and unacceptable. And we have to say so. Rather than patting the other three quarters who don’t have sympathy on the head, and saying “Well done. You’re the good Muslims”.

Two weeks ago I took part in a debate on free speech, hosted by the Islamic Education and Research Academy. It was a good discussion, well attended, with an almost exclusively Muslim audience. Near the end, one audience member began to defend the killing of apostates. I challenged him, as did the other non-Muslim panelists. None of the Muslim panelists challenged him. No members of the audience challenged him. Instead, when he’d finished defending the murder of apostates, a significant section of the audience applauded him.

It’s not good enough. It’s not good for people inside and outside the Muslim community to continue to turn a blind eye to the extremism that continues to fester in the heart of the Muslim community. It’s not good enough for Muslims to keep delivering vacuous homilies about “the religion of peace” when surveys show 27 per cent of Muslims have sympathy with the Charlie Hebdo murderers. And it’s not good enough for us to deploy spurious moral relativism in a misguided attempt to place extremism behind a shield of religious tolerance.

The BBC is wrong. Many Muslims have sympathy with the Charlie Hebdo killings. Far too many.

Re: Over a quarter of British Muslims have sympathy for the Charlie Hebdo terrorists

:chai:

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Hardly surprised by this finding. I find more 'ghoomey huey', guarded log among British immigrants (the majority of whom are from labour class and still stuck in the 60s and 70s) than I ever did during my school days in Pakistan

Re: Over a quarter of British Muslims have sympathy for the Charlie Hebdo terrorists

Just a week ago this news made headlines here

Brusthom Ziamani found guilty of plotting to behead British soldier | Daily Mail Online

Re: Over a quarter of British Muslims have sympathy for the Charlie Hebdo terrorists

Just curious - why are these people in UK in the first place ? Read another article which mentioned how the youth is more radicalized than the older generation.

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Peace Jack Sparrow

What does that mean? Muslims overtly sympathise with the motives of those responsible for the murder of those people? I don't understand why sympathising with a motive is utterly shaming ... and Jews ... Well that is just a token add on by the paper ... But what does ... "Sympathise with the motives" mean here?

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I read the same article that you did, so don't claim to have answers to your questions. However, I quote some statements from this article which might provide some hint -

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Just because you wouldn't personally go out and murder people, it doesn't make you moderate. We cannot turn a blind eye to the fair-weather supporters of terrorism

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We are going to have to start to reassess what we mean by “moderate Islam”. At the moment, we essentially define a moderate Muslim as any Muslim who doesn’t go around blowing things up, or who doesn’t go round overtly advocating other people should blow things up. It’s ludicrously simplistic, sickeningly patronising, and actually represents a form of inverted racism.

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If you think the Paris killings were justified - in any way - then you’re not a moderate. By definition, you’re an extremist. Fine, you’re not a terrorist. But just because you wouldn’t personally walk into a Jewish supermarket and start indiscriminately murdering people does not of itself make you a case study in moderation.

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Re: Over a quarter of British Muslims have sympathy for the Charlie Hebdo terrorists

Most of the first generation desis (Ofcourse there are many people who came here in the 60s and 70s who have done extremely well for themselves and have raised their kids well just like educated folk in Pakistan) are uneducated and cannot even speak english (back in the 60s and 70s, there was a demand for labour in low-paid jobs which local whites were simply not interested in doing) despite having lived here for 40 or 50 odd years, hence have no control over their children. I see this as one of the main reasons for sure.

For example take a look at this news piece. How can parents not know what their children are doing or who they are hanging out with. This is a clear abdication of parental responsibility.

BBC News - Missing teenagers have crossed into Syria, Met Police say

Only recently (last 5 years or so) has Britain tightened it’s immigration laws.

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Question : “I have some sympathy for the motives behind”

Seriously ? So what we do about such people? Arrest them, shun them, try to convince them otherwise?

If they dont go out killing people, then all you can do is ignore them. They have a right to their opinion regardless of how repugnant it may seem to you, me or anyone else.

The question of do you sympathize with the MOTIVES is such a loaded question. MOST religious practicing Muslims would have sympathy for the motive. The figure of the prophet is revered by Muslims, so of course most Muslims would understand why such repulsive cartoons would inspire anger and even violence. That’s really a stupid question to ask. Should Muslims NOT be offended by cartoons which attack their faith ? Why is it surprising ?

The bottom line here is that you cant ask people to not be offended. This article is moronic. Just trying to sensationalize an issue and demonize people. The more you highlight such things, the more people get scared and paranoid, the more Muslims are discriminated against, the more Muslim youth are alienated and the more extremists you create.

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The article does a great job of scare mongering.

Now we should be afraid not only of violent extremists, but everyone who's opinion doesn't conform to the supposed mainstream regardless of whether they are violent or not. That essentially means any and all Muslims you meet are suspect.

And what is that "extremist" opinion which would garner you the title of an "extremist," as a supporter of the motive behind the killings ? That you believe that cartoons insulting your prophet are wrong and can potentially inspire anger. So if you hold this opinion, you are now an extremists. This is journalism at its worst.

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having sympathy for the motives (enough to approve of killing of people you disagree with) and being offended by repulsive literature are two different things. Best response would be to ignore such people or to challenge them through debates etc. Why can't we show a collective educated response like the mass rally in Chechnya. Why must we (i.e. extremists amongst us) always react irrationally and resort to violence? e.g. you can easily access the film, 'The innocent Prophet' on youtube in the West. My faith is not so weak that I will even bother to watch such an absurd and repulsive fim

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The article said it isnt enough that you dont approve of killing. All it takes for you to be labeled an extremist is for you to support the motive. That motive being the cartoons. I dont support the cartoons either.. So now im an extremists ?

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No you are not in my book. I didn't mean you personally but extremists amongst us

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Maybe I missed it, but I read the question as "do you have sympathy for the terrorists" vs "do you agree with the cartoons". If it was the latter, I agree with you. But if it's the former, even a qualified support for the terrorists is extremism.

To be offended is one's right. There are peaceful means to express your views if you are offended. But when one resorts to violence or supports violence, then he ceases to be be "moderate".

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Thats why its such a loaded question. Do you sympathize with the motive can easily be misconstrued as you sympathize with terrorists. Most Muslims sympathize with the motive, even if they don't support violence. No practicing Muslim will ever tell you that they are perfectly fine with cartoons that insult their faith...

The author doesn't stop there. Its not enough that you don't support violence, but you also have to believe a particular thing, otherwise you are an extremist.

Bottom line...
I believe cartoons that insult Muslims are wrong for many reasonS. And I understand that this can motivate people to commit acts of violence. I don't however support such violence.
The author concludes that because i am against the cartoons, I am an extremist, even if I don't commit acts of violence as a result. Thats not fair.

The question isn't formulated properly... it doesn't offer much insight. It only serves to create a false impression of muslims and promotes paranoia. Your an extremist even if you don't support violence? What ?!?!

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sympathy for motives <> sympathy for actions

If a person is motivated by money, doesn't necessarily mean he is going to rob a bank.

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Peace Med911

I agree with you that that is the intent of the article ... But linguistically why is it bad for Muslims to "sympathise with the motives"?

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Another pile of Islamophobic rubbish.

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What utter crap. charlie chaplin is well known as racist and xenophobic.. so if you are for equality and tolerance; you are automatically sympathising with the motives..regardless.

Secondly; sympathising with motives/cause does not equal sympathising with violence..cue one example is where you attack someone who broke into your house... We may understand why they did it but not neccesarily how they went about it. its time you learnt to differentiate.

Third; it says 62% did not sympathise... So they focused on the 27%? Do you see the agenda here?

Fourth; This is the telegraph..'Sponsored' by the likes of the barclays brothers.. Not a day goes without anti muslim articles.. a very concerted effort from the top...at play here. Last time it was whether we should fear muslims because less of us go to uni compared to other faiths.. Despite other studies showing that more muslims are attending now than ever before.. Although not sure what that proves in the fear factor...

Finally.. Find a better news source...already!

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Religious folks are sensitive to insults wrt their faith. Sometimes this leads to violent response which never is ok
By the same token, religious folks should not insult other belief systems or lifestyles. For those folks may be equally sensitive about their belief systems.