Re: Outrageous: 9th grader muslim student arrested for bringing clock in school..
Yes!! Thank you Mr. Obama!
I just wonder how would a conservative republican President would have been reacted at his place.
The poor kid could have been in Guantanamo by now
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I was very clear about what I considered be acceptable versus unacceptable in the sequence of events.
I will defend the teacher 100% for reporting the clock - that was her job and her duty. But, the same teacher should also be reporting all other similar “questionable objects.” Columbine, Newtown and Virginia Tech were not Muslim attackers - but as a teacher who lives in scary times - it is incumbent on the teacher to be overly careful. And as I’ve mentioned, it is everything that followed that one action (reporting of the object), where things went downhill, IMO. An English teacher is not a STEM teacher and she shouldn’t have to know whether it was just a clock or more than that. She should have reported the object and the principal could have asked the student and the STEM teacher about the clock. This is where the matter should have ended.
That the principal showed zero judgment and called in the police and that the police actually arrested the kid was ridiculous.
As for the American right to bear arms - that’s a separate debate and not one that should be conflated with this incident.
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I was very clear about what I considered be acceptable versus unacceptable in the sequence of events.
I will defend the teacher 100% for reporting the clock - that was her job and her duty. But, the same teacher should also be reporting all other similar "questionable objects." Columbine, Newtown and Virginia Tech were not Muslim attackers - but as a teacher who lives in scary times - it is incumbent on the teacher to be overly careful. And as I've mentioned, it is everything that followed that one action (reporting of the object), where things went downhill, IMO. An English teacher is not a STEM teacher and she shouldn't have to know whether it was just a clock or more than that. She should have reported the object and the principal could have asked the student and the STEM teacher about the clock. This is where the matter should have ended.
That the principal showed zero judgment and called in the police and that the police actually arrested the kid was ridiculous.
As for the American right to bear arms - that's a separate debate and not one that should be conflated with this incident.
I agree with your POV of standing with the teacher reporting this to principle BUT I would also like to get an honest inquiry from the teacher if she reported becuz it was "Ahmed" who brought it or she would have reported anyone else. By now i've read nearly hundred opinions for this matter and most of the people are of narrative that at some stage they all make something similar to this and it never gets reported.
Thats why i also suspect it happened in Texas and there are chances it might not have happened elsewhere. I may be wrong here.
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Yes!! Thank you Mr. Obama!
I just wonder how would a conservative republican President would have been reacted at his place.
The poor kid could have been in Guantanamo by now
Did you forget Bush going to Washington D.C. mosque after 9/11? Just a bit too partisan now, aren't we... ?
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Did you forget Bush going to Washington D.C. mosque after 9/11? Just a bit too partisan now, aren't we... ?
Um.. ya i forgot and i take my words back if that was the case. Do you happen to have any link of that?
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The kid is changing school now.. rightly so! Good luck!!
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Disgusting americans it at again
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Disgusting americans it at again
America is still far safer for muslims in general terms. Thanks for your stereotypical generalization.
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Brother SID, This is not just a Texas only thing. It's an American thing (as in the thing that all minorities have had to endure if you look at history). And by it being an American thing, I do not mean that all citizens of U.S.A. are that way, but the perceived mindset that several ethnic backgrounds have had to endure and overcome before being accepted to be a part of what it is to be an American. Maybe others had an easier time because of their geographical location on the map, or the skin color, or the branch of faith, but the fact remains.
Unfortunately, the history shows us as this being the norm. For instance, there was a time when the migrant Irish were harassed. Then Italians. Then the Jewish. What seems to matter when it's all said and done is what those communities did to ensure that their coming generations do not have to put up with this mindset. If you look at most of those migrated ethnic groups, we find them so fully integrated in the system that they are in fact what makes an American in definition. It has little to do with what they left behind of their identity, but a large part because of what they did in the time following early migration.
The way I personally see it, the key to becoming safe from this harassment first of all is for the community to voice their discontent in unity. Secondly, muslims as a whole, and migrants of countries where Islam is prevalent must do everything possible to educate themselves, become an active and functional part of their communities, and excel in all fields and place themselves in positions of influence so that they can be in a position to assert the right kind of positive presence to ensure not only survival from stereotypes (which still remain till this day), but to at least set in place a filter that keeps a buffer between violence and Islam. In doing so, every muslim would be doing dawah through actions.
Think of the perception we have today of all the groups of migrants from before whether it's by country or faith. They're all now interwoven into the American fabric, and because of that they are sheltered from blatant stereotyping by the system; although still prone to it by ignorant segments of the society.
Ahmed should keep churning out new creativity in spite of what the others say because even if he stopped using his creativity, unfortunately the perception will still remain may be even longer. Because Ahmed has a bright mind, he should use his gift of intellect to inspire others, become an inventor/scientist, and a name that bring about pride for muslims and non-muslims alike because of this creativity.
I understand that this treatment is unfair, but we being muslims should be adaptable to extreme hardships considering where we come from, and to take lessons from history of Islam which was born in the center of animosity, but the dedication of our righteous predecessors (May Allah be pleased with them) not only survived the animosity and physical violence, but overcame it in such a brilliant manner that the foes themselves became muslim whom we label as radiAllahu anhum. Our history should be sufficient for us to get through any hardships of life because Allah is the best of supporters for the believers. Muslims do not have to leave behind their identity of where they come from, of any part of their faith, but use those positives to influence their communities so that people can see what it is all about to be a muslim. Lets not let controlled media be the spokesperson for muslims, lets ourselves become our own spokespeople who are capable of rebutting any ill-founded stereotypes stemming from wrong information or outright ignorance.
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I agree with your POV of standing with the teacher reporting this to principle BUT I would also like to get an honest inquiry from the teacher if she reported becuz it was "Ahmed" who brought it or she would have reported anyone else. By now i've read nearly hundred opinions for this matter and most of the people are of narrative that at some stage they all make something similar to this and it never gets reported. Thats why i also suspect it happened in Texas and there are chances it might not have happened elsewhere. I may be wrong here.
She may not admit it even if she did take action based on name.
It's best to look at actions and judge the reasonableness of a specific action.
Due to lack of expertise, it is appropriate for the non stem teacher to report it to principal.
We can certainly use same criterion to conclude the rest of the jokers failed miserably.
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Brother SID, This is not just a Texas only thing. It's an American thing (as in the thing that all minorities have had to endure if you look at history). And by it being an American thing, I do not mean that all citizens of U.S.A. are that way, but the perceived mindset that several ethnic backgrounds have had to endure and overcome before being accepted to be a part of what it is to be an American. Maybe others had an easier time because of their geographical location on the map, or the skin color, or the branch of faith, but the fact remains.
Unfortunately, the history shows us as this being the norm. For instance, there was a time when the migrant Irish were harassed. Then Italians. Then the Jewish. What seems to matter when it's all said and done is what those communities did to ensure that their coming generations do not have to put up with this mindset. If you look at most of those migrated ethnic groups, we find them so fully integrated in the system that they are in fact what makes an American in definition. It has little to do with what they left behind of their identity, but a large part because of what they did in the time following early migration.
The way I personally see it, the key to becoming safe from this harassment first of all is for the community to voice their discontent in unity. Secondly, muslims as a whole, and migrants of countries where Islam is prevalent must do everything possible to educate themselves, become an active and functional part of their communities, and excel in all fields and place themselves in positions of influence so that they can be in a position to assert the right kind of positive presence to ensure not only survival from stereotypes (which still remain till this day), but to at least set in place a filter that keeps a buffer between violence and Islam. In doing so, every muslim would be doing dawah through actions.
Think of the perception we have today of all the groups of migrants from before whether it's by country or faith. They're all now interwoven into the American fabric, and because of that they are sheltered from blatant stereotyping by the system; although still prone to it by ignorant segments of the society.
Ahmed should keep churning out new creativity in spite of what the others say because even if he stopped using his creativity, unfortunately the perception will still remain may be even longer. Because Ahmed has a bright mind, he should use his gift of intellect to inspire others, become an inventor/scientist, and a name that bring about pride for muslims and non-muslims alike because of this creativity.
I understand that this treatment is unfair, but we being muslims should extremely adaptable to hardships considering where we come from, and to take lessons from history of Islam which was born in the center of animosity but the dedication of our predecessors not only survived the animosity and physical violence, but overcame it in such a brilliant manner that the foes themselves became muslim whom we label as radiAllahu anhum. Our history should be sufficient for us to get through any hardships of life because Allah is the best of supporters for the believers. Muslims do not have to leave behind their identity of where they come from, of any part of their faith, but use those positives to influence their communities so that people can see what it is all about to be a muslim. Lets not let controlled media be the spokesperson for muslims, lets ourselves become our own spokespeople who are capable of rebutting any ill-founded stereotypes stemming from wrong information or outright ignorance.
Excellent post. Wonderfully thought out.
There are two groups that still get shabby treatment - American Indians and African Americans. The institutionalized discrimination against both these groups is a burden America has to bear and overcome.
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Excellent post. Wonderfully thought out.
There are two groups that still get shabby treatment - American Indians and African Americans. The institutionalized discrimination against both these groups is a burden America has to bear and overcome.
That is true. That battle is still being fought, and Dr. King's work remains unfinished.
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I wonder to what extent do muslims have to sell their soul just to remain a resident of Texas etc. and then you have cheerleaders who keep harping on how awesome all of it is for muslims living there.
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Awful for the poor kid, and so extremely unprofessional by the school staff and police. And I highly doubt the procedure would have been the same if it was a John instead of an Ahmed. Oh well.
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What a question in post 33.
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Thanks for sharing this. It just explains and endorses why shouldnt we back republicans at all. Each and everyone of them tried to divert the question into either muslim-slamming (of some nature) or towards discrimination with christians.
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In response to the above false choice, one of the jokers said we shoukd not treat a woman from Kentucky the same as a young man from the middle east.
Ahmed ' s parents, for those keeping score, aren't from the middle east.
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Well,what can one do?
I would say that the teacher was right in being vigilant, but a lot could have been done than just arrest the young kid. Some people are blaming the principal, but I would ultimately say that it is a failure of the police.
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In response to the above false choice, one of the jokers said we shoukd not treat a woman from Kentucky the same as a young man from the middle east.
Ahmed ' s parents, for those keeping score, aren't from the middle east.
This whole narration of comparing the kid with Kim davis and dragging the Christianity against a question about discrimination is so idiotic itself. But the problem is as long as we have dumber people, the dumb leaders will keep ruling.