Outraged parliament wants border raids repulsed

I wouldn’t hold my breath…

Outraged parliament wants border raids repulsed -DAWN - Top Stories; September 05, 2008

Outraged parliament wants border raids repulsed

By Raja Asghar

ISLAMABAD, Sept 4: Outraged by the deadly first known ground assault into Pakistan’s tribal belt by US-led coalition forces in Afghanistan, both houses of parliament on Thursday unanimously asked the government to take measures to “repel such attacks in the future with full force”.

After fiery debates over Wednesday’s pre-dawn helicopter-borne raid that reportedly killed at least 20 people in a village in South Waziristan agency, the demand was made in a resolution passed unanimously by the National Assembly and the Senate separately that also wanted the government to tell the International Security Assistance Force (Isaf) in Afghanistan that such violations were “bound to force fundamental changes of foreign policy” by a key ally in the so-called war on terrorism.

This was the strongest-worded joint stance to date by both treasury and opposition benches in Pakistan’s parliament over any of the numerous alleged violations of the Pakistani territory by the coalition forces hunting Al Qaeda and Taliban militants and came at a sensitive time two days before the presidential election.

“The house calls upon the government of Pakistan to take all necessary measures to protect the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the country and repel such attacks in the future with full force,” the resolution said about what Pakistan says was the coalition forces’ first ground assault into the area after three helicopters brought troops to a village near the well-known militant stronghold of Angoor Adda to target some houses.

Both Foreign Minister Shah Mahmood Qureshi in the National Assembly and leader of house Raza Rabbani in the Senate said in their prepared remarks before tabling the resolution in their respective chambers that the attacks “constitutes a serious escalation in the series of actions by the Isaf/coalition forces on Pakistani territory”.

Most of the previous attacks had involved rocketing by jets or pilotless predators or artillery shelling from across the border.

RULES OF ENGAGEMENT: The foreign minister told the National Assembly that Wednesday’s raid, which drew renewed opposition calls for a review of Pakistan’s role in the anti-terror war, was in violation of what he called “established rules of engagement” as well as of “international human norms” and the UN charter.

But he did not explain “the rules of

engagement” that Pakistan might have agreed with the coalition forces in Afghanistan despite a demand from the main PML-N speaker in the National Assembly Ahsan Iqbal who, like several other members, called for a detailed debate in parliament on the situation. A report by the US-based Associated Press news agency said the circumstances surrounding Wednesday’s raid were not clear, “but US rules of engagement allow American troops to chase militants across the border into Pakistan’s lawless tribal region when they are attacked” and that “they may only go about six miles on the ground under normal circumstances” and 10 miles into Pakistani airspace through aircraft.

Both the house, which took up the issue almost simultaneously, resounded with rhetoric and anti-American sentiment, mostly from opposition parties such as the Jamaat-i-Islami and the PML-N, while some in a mainly lawyers’ crowd who protested outside the parliament house against non-restoration of the deposed superior court judges also chanted “America ka jo yar hai, ghaddar hai, ghaddar hai” (whoever is friend of America is a traitor).

ZARDARI JOINS CHORUS: PPP co-chairman Asif Ali Zardari, who seems assured of being elected as the country’s president by a parliamentary electoral college on Saturday, joined the chorus with a strong statement condemning what he called an “outrageous and unacceptable violation of the territorial integrity of the country” and calling for a thorough investigation and adoption of “foolproof measures so that such incidents do not occur in the future”.

He said that for the fight against militancy to succeed, it was imperative that any action on the Pakistani side of the border was taken “only by Pakistani forces and not by the coalition forces in violation of Pakistan’s territorial integrity”.

But in the midst of the general rhetorical fervour in the two houses of parliament, some took courage to differ, like Senator Abdul Rahim Mandokhel of the Pakhtunkhwa Milli Awami Party who said it were foreign militants, including Arabs, Uzbeks and Chechen, who had captured Pakistani territory and compromised the country’s sovereignty which “the government cannot defend” and accused unspecified politicians of conniving with them by not speaking against them.

Balochistan National Party Senator Abdul Malik doubted the seriousness of anti-American talk while the country was “in the grip of American imperialism for the past 60 years” and said it must be acknowledged that Pakistan’s “investment in Afghanistan to make it our fifth province” and also in Kashmir had gone in loss.

Senator Khurshid Ahmed of the Jamaat-i-Islami said that mere verbal condemnations of border violations were not enough and that violators, whether troops or helicopters, must be shot.PML-N’s Senator Ishaq Dar accused former president Pervez Musharraf of making a slave of an atomic power and said “we have to change the slavish mentality” so there be no foreign stake-holder in Pakistani affairs.

“We will not tolerate incidents like this,” said Awami National Party leader Asfandyar Wali Khan, who also called for an in-camera debate in parliament.

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LOL... as if Pakistan has the ability to repel cross border NATO raids...

:D

All these corrupt politicians can do is talk and print "strongly worded" statements. Everywhere Muslims are suffering, getting invaded and bombed by kafirs. Pakistani government betrayed the Taliban and sided with America to kill our own innocent Muslim brothers. This was the biggest mistake of Pakistan government in history. The people fear America, but they do not fear Allah. Now prepare for a massive punishment from Allah. Pakistan is soon going to be the worst third world dump in the entire world, mark my words.

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ball less parliament wont do anything, other than raising voice.

Yes, over the last few years we have become rather spineless

Over the past few years? Pakistan has never had the ability to repulse NATO forces even if we wanted to.

Yes, but we weren't being threatened by majja-gammaz like Karzai before. On the bright side, atleast now we don't 'try' to take the blame for the attacks like our senile dictator used to.

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at the end of the day for all the yip yap, nothing has really changed. whether it was about not attacking 'citizens' or not letting attacks from outside forces into Pak soil. or making deals and ceasefires with militants..

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Pakistan cant stand up to US force. Sometimes, you have to accept your fate.

At least we can die trying with some honor and dignity , if we cant stand up to the US forces.

Third attack in three days -DAWN - Top Stories; September 06, 2008

Third attack in three days

By Our Correspondent
MIRAMSHAH, Sept 5: Three children and two women were killed when US-led allied forces in Afghanistan attacked an area in North Waziristan on Friday.

Sources said a US spy plane fired three missiles on a house in Gorewek near the Afghan border, some 60 kilometres west of Miramshah.

The house was completely destroyed and three children and two women were killed.

This was the third attack by the US-led forces inside Pakistan in three days.

On Thursday, at least five militants were killed when a missile fired from an unmanned plane hit a house in Mohammad Khel village.


US officials say ‘cross-border raids necessary’ -DAWN - Top Stories; September 06, 2008

US officials say ‘cross-border raids necessary’

By Our Correspondent
WASHINGTON, Sept 5: Cross-border US commando missions into Pakistan may grow in coming months despite doubts within the Pentagon over the efficacy of such raids, said a report published on Friday.

Pentagon officials who spoke to Los Angeles Times said that some officials in the US Defence Department believed such commando raids were necessary to counter increasing violence in Afghanistan.

While reporting the Pentagon’s new strategy, the newspaper noted that the raids “threatened to aggravate US-Pakistani tensions just before the country’s presidential election on Saturday, in which attitudes towards the United States are likely to be a key issue.”

A senior Pentagon official told the paper that the presence of so-called safe havens in Fata forced US officials to conduct Wednesday’s raid that killed dozens of people in South Waziristan.

“You can’t allow a haven,” said a military officer, who, like others, spoke on condition of anonymity about the raid. “You have to get to the areas that they rest, relax and train.”

US intelligence officials told the newspapers that Wednesday’s raid was along the border, not deep in tribal areas.

Another US official suggested that the raid was conducted in response to border attacks, and that no high-ranking militant leader was captured or killed.

“There are targets other than formally designated high-value targets,” the official said.

The report also noted that the raid had fanned a long-standing debate within the Bush administration over how to deal with militants in Pakistan.

Pressure has been building within the US military for more aggressive use of existing practices as US casualties have increased with the rising number of attacks carried out in Afghanistan by militants based in Pakistan, the report added.

A senior Pentagon official, while talking to the Times, conceded that pushing for more aggressive action by the new Pakistani government also carried risks. Any Pakistani politician perceived to favour more US latitude in Pakistan would suffer, the official said.

“If you want to lose,” the official said, “just be the one that gets caught talking to (Vice-President Dick) Cheney about US incursions across your border.”

The newspaper noted that many within the Pentagon and among military officers in the region are sceptical about the value of increased US operations in Pakistan. These officials believe that stepped-up operations risk a backlash and that a better approach would be to steadily press the Pakistani military to take on the extremists.

“The frequency of US raids in the future may depend on the Pakistani reaction,” the report said. “US officials are monitoring both the public response and the private reaction from leaders of the fledgling Pakistani government. Some military officials considered the initial Pakistani response relatively restrained, although protests continued to build.”

US military officials told L. A. Times that the US administration had used existing authorities negotiated with former President Pervez Musharraf to launch the raid. A senior military official said the volatile political situation in Pakistan had prevented any new negotiations for US operations in the country.

The US has long claimed the right to cross the border in “hot pursuit” of militants, but the Times noted that “Wednesday’s raid does not appear to be a case of hot pursuit”.

US special operations forces have conducted raids before, including a 2006 mission in which the elite SEAL Team 6 went into Damadola to attack an Al Qaeda compound, the report said.

and then there is news of Pakistan blocking NATO aid, can US/NATO afford to attack Pakistan if their supply lines are cut? Can Pakistan afford to cut supply lines for long (without retaliation)? Can Pakistan afford to reply in kind?

Pakistan reserves right to retaliate: Gen Tariq -DAWN - Top Stories; September 06, 2008

Pakistan reserves right to retaliate: Gen Tariq

By Our Reporter

ISLAMABAD, Sept 5: The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (JCSC), Gen Tariq Majid, has condemned attacks by the North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (Nato) inside Pakistan.

He termed the attacks “callous and wanton”, saying that such cross-border strikes would further alienate the locals and ultimately prove to be counterproductive.

He was talking to German Defence Minister Franz Josef Jung at the Joint Staff Headquarters. He said Pakistan reserved the right to “appropriately retaliate”.

The German minister exchanged views with the JCSC chairman focussing on bilateral ties and the regional security environment. Gen Tariq reiterated that a stable Afghanistan was in the interest of the region as well as Pakistan.

He accused the Afghan leadership of slandering Pakistan only to cover up its failings.

Blaming Pakistan’s intelligence agencies for recent killings of foreign nationals in Afghanistan was a case in point, he added.

Gen Tariq appreciated Germany’s “pragmatism” in dealing with the security situation in Afghanistan.

Mr Jung appreciated the pivotal role of Pakistan in the fight against terrorism and its invaluable support to forces operating in Afghanistan.

The German minister also called on Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani. The prime minister observed the German government’s decision to allow export of small arms would strengthen Pakistan’s hand in the fight against terror.

Mr Gilani said that Pakistan is firmly committed to fighting terrorism. He briefed the German defence minister about Pakistan’s three-pronged strategy.

He called on the allied forces to desist from undertaking attacks on Pakistan’s territory as it led to sympathy for militants.

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I would love to get happy and say Pakistan is finally standing up for its interests; however, due to the timing of events that are to take place (Presidential selection), such tough stance makes me less optimistic.

Pakistan as a nation in a whole heap of trouble. And even the thought of sanctions is enough to scare the politicians and public (because they'll suffer the most, they don't have money stashed away for rainy days/months/years), now having said that, Pakistan does have to take a stand even if it comes at the cost of sacrificing some wealth.

Until Pakistan can outline and actively work on a Pakistan-Centric policy, we'll just be seeing more of the same no matter who comes into power. Change of faces may give people hope for a short while, but it is the results that people are interested in. People voted the current parties because they believed they would review the foreign policies and have a serious chat with USA, supposedly Pakistan's ally in the War on Terror. That has not happened. Not likely to happen from the way things look.

What will it take? More incursions, deeper penetration? Just how much loss of innocent lives will it take before the imaan and conscience of these politicians kicks in, and they start to work for the strategic interests of Pakistan.