In last 10-12 days two energy conferences were held, what was the out come of both… i want to have pure technical discussion on this matter, what were the major concerns shown by both parties and what were the solutions given? how right was their assessment of the problem and how good and practical was their proposed solutions? anyone have got any video or article on it?
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You can start with your analysis of the both.
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^^ I am trying to find out detailed solutions offered by the both but all i found is political speeches and tall claims hence this thread... that maybe someone have access to the publicized document on the issue...
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^^ I am trying to find out detailed solutions offered by the both but all i found is political speeches and tall claims hence this thread... that maybe someone have access to the publicized document on the issue...
I couldn't find the PTI one myself, see if you can find something then we can discuss. I will look as well.
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^^ there is possibility that both the parties have tried to fool the nation by just using such words calling Energy conferences and have only spoken on the stuff which is already known and no real policy or strategy has been introduced by any of them...
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This is the out-line of PML-N Energy thingy
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PML (N) on Monday presented policy outlines coupled with short and long terms measures to overcome present energy crisis in the country by developing natural resources and enhancing efficiency of concerned departments.
The policy outlines were presented at a day long ‘Energy for growth and sustainable development conference’ which was attended by party leaders, think tank, experts in oil and gas sector.
The conference was to be presided over by President, PML (N), Muhammad Nawaz Sharif and attended by Chief Minister of Punjab, Muhammad Shahbaz Sharif but both did not turn up owing to some undisclosed reasons.
PML (N) Central Leader, Ishaq Dar suggested measures to overcome energy crisis an*d pointed out that concrete steps were needed to reduce Rs.800 billion circular debt* which was hampering the economic development in the country.
Deputy Secretary General, PML (N) Ahsan Iqbal delivered welcome remarks while Miftah Ismail presented PML (N) proposed energy strategy.
Taking part in Open House – Roundtable Discussion, former Chairman, Wapda, Shamsul Mulk said that the energy crisis could be overcome by water management in the country. He said in a bid to increase hydel power production, the construction of dams on Indus and Jhelum rivers was need of the hour.
Vice Chancellor, Hamdard University, Dr Naseem A Khan called for adopting alternate energy approach and said the nation should be taken into confidence about the true perception of energy problem. He stressed the development of financial resources, technology and human resources to overcome the present energy crisis.
Former, Managing Director, Oil and Gas Development Company Limited (OGDCL), Najam Haider pointed out that no new oil and gas exploration was made during the last several years.
He opined that piping gas was the only solution as LPG and LNG would not resolve the issue on long term basis.
Asad Omar said that era of cheap energy had gone and the people should be prepared about the fact that no investment would come unless the fuel prices would enhance.
Chief Executive Sachal Engineering Group, Syed Hussain Gardezi proposed to encourage private sector to invest in energy projects. He asked the government to ensure time completion of all the projects to save the time and financing.
Dr Faiz Ahmed Bhutta suggested to devise a road map for renewable energy and said there should be on grid and off grid areas in urban and rural areas respectively for development of renewable energy.
Chairman, Air Blue Airlines, Shahid Khaqan Abbasi said that the consumers should pay the price of the consumed electricity. He stressed to reduce the debt circular and opined that price differential should be reduced by installation of small power units in the country.
Prof Dr Zaheer said that the country needed bold decisions and asked to involve both public and private sector to overcome the crisis.
Engineer Sultan Mehmood Mian called for increasing use of solar energy and asked all the political parties to include technical experts in their ranks to meet the challenge of energy.
Former AJK Prime Minister, Raja Farooq Haider said that A*zad Kashmir should be made part of all agreements* of power generations and dam construction. He said r*oyalty of natural resources should be spent for the development of the people of the respective area*.
Khurram Dastgir said that tariff should be rationalized by reducing line losses and power theft.
Sardar Sanaullah Zehri said that oil and gas exploration should be enhanced in the country.
He opined that the external pressure should be set aside to import gas from neighbouring countries.
Syed Ghous Ali Shah said that proposals regarding alternate energy resources should be utilized to enhance country’s power production. He said controversial issue and project should not be initiated without evolving consensus.
In his concluding remarks, Chairman PML (N) Manifesto Committee, Sartaj Aziz said that there was a broad based consensus that hydel, coal, solar and wind energy should be developed in the country.
He said that the Europe and America transformed their economies through cheap energy but we have to take short term and long term measures for construction of hydel projects and reduce line losses.
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PTI things have bit more numbers but i don’t think it can be called as solution…
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I think the initiative taken by both the parties is commendable.. at least they started some discussion. I do not question the sincerity of both the parties in resolving the problem.. unlike the present government. In fact the solutions recommended by the government's think tank are much more realistic and the understanding of the problems and their recommended solutions are much more practical. The problem is the will of the present government who are heavily bribed by the lobbies..
1) IPPs/RPPs lobby not to run their plants because their stated capacities are less than actual capacities. Fuel consumption is also higher than their stated consumptions. Moreover as they do not get paid on time.. they prefer to block capacity charges instead of electricity supply charges which are much higher. Both RPPs/IPPs lobby that they should not be supplied fuel (gas or furnace) so the plants remain closed.
2) CPPs lobby to get cheap gas to generate electricity to for Rs. 6/unit. In spite of the fact that they are much more in efficient producers compared to IPPs they get gas specially in the province of Sind.
Power to the people: Proposal to increase gas tariff for captive power – The Express Tribune
Power to the people: Proposal to increase gas tariff for captive power
By Zafar Bhutta
Published: February 22, 2012
The proposal calls for a 150 per cent raise in gas prices for CPPs, commensurate with power utilities’ industrial tariffs, in order to motivate them to buy electricity directly from power distribution companies (DISCOs).
ISLAMABAD:
In a bid to lower power tariffs and load-shedding for consumers, officials are mulling over plans to increase gas tariff for captive power plants (CPPs) in order to divert more gas to commercial electricity generating units. The proposal calls for a 150 per cent raise in gas prices for CPPs, commensurate with power utilities’ industrial tariffs, in order to motivate them to buy electricity directly from power distribution companies (DISCOs).
CPPs – plants that generate electricity for the sole use of their owners – are presently charged tariffs that cost them Rs6 for every unit of electricity produced, much lower than the industrial rate offered by power utilities.
According to statistics, the power sector (Water And Power Development Authority (Wapda), Karachi Electric Supply Company (KESC) and independent power producers) consumed around 44 per cent of total gas supply in 2005; this share fell to 28 per cent by 2011 due to the mushrooming numbers of CPPs.
“Gas availability declined by almost nine per cent per annum for power generation purposes during the period,” said officials of the ministry of water and power; adding that the shortages had to be met through the import of furnace oil which cost an annual sum of Rs700 billion.
This reduction in total share was in spite of the fact that gas supplies rose by around two per cent annually during the same period, and power sector demand rose by almost five per cent annually.
The gas supply shortfall to the power sector, due mostly to CPPs, has resulted in higher power purchase prices – forcing the government to subsidise the rates through price differential claims worth Rs300 billion annually, according to officials.
Officials said that CPPs were neither licenced, nor obligated to adhere to any policy related to the governance of the power sector. They generate electricity for self consumption, or at times sell it to their affiliates. They put a further strain on DISCOs as well as they use them as backup to their own means of generating electricity.
As per estimated statistics, gas to CPPs through the SSGC/SNGPL network drains the National Transmission Despatch Company (NTDC) by over 1000mmcfd. The drain on SSGC’s network, which impacts the KESC, is beyond 250mmcfd. This drain, if reversed, is sufficient to add 4,000 megawatts to the national grids on the cheapest rates possible with fossil fuels.
“If gas allocated to CPPs is provided to the power sector, over Rs500 billion in benefits can be passed on as savings to consumers and the national exchequer,” an official said.
Other proposals discussed in the meeting include a recommendation that the government direct gas utilities to allow a comprehensive internal audit by an independent auditor regarding the implementation of the conditions laid down in the Gas Allocation and Management Policy 2005.
The empowerment of DISCOs to disconnect all industrial, commercial and bulk customers that use them as a backup to their own means of power generation, or are involved in any violation of rules and regulations, was also proposed. After disconnection of such entities, pending industrial users could be granted new connections from spared capacity.
DISCOs have been directed not to procure any surplus power in the future from CPPs that use gas or furnace oil as fuel for electricity generation. However, DISCOs will be encouraged to sign power acquisition contracts with CPPs that use coal or renewable energy for their purposes.
Published in The Express Tribune, February 22nd, 2012.
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I agree and i am all for this trend to continue and further develop!!! I would not talk on the current govt policies nor their strategy or their lobbying because it would be waste of time... they are almost done with their tenures
Basically the out-line of both PTI and PML-N covers the same areas, change the fuel mix, currently we are heavily depended on fossil fuel which is wrong by all mean to start with, it can be used as short to mid term means to generate electricity and that is not in hand of private sector because then lobbying with kick in...
I believe that Govt should take initiative and formulate a separate independent body, i like the concept of Ministry of Energy for this matter presented by PTI but at the same note, i would not recommend privatization of Gencos, Discos and other bodies... Jordan did that in 2006 or 2007 and now they are suffering from it... i would rather decrease by line loses by adapting to new, better and enhanced technology.
Underground cabling can be one solution for distribution in metros like Karachi where Kunda System has became alternate mode of electric supply...
as a matter of fact, all parties should have general consensus on these kind of things so that the investors or industrial zone can plan better..
will add more later
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Solar power is another source of energy which must be tapped to reduce dependency on oil for power generation. Big cities like Lahore, Karachi, Rawalpindi, Peshawar and Quetta get enough sun to use it for power generation. Countries in Europe like Germany, Italy and Spain, residents sell electricity generated through rooftoop solar panels to government and earn revenue for contributing to their national grids. Diversification of energy generation must be a crucial part of any energy policy and I believe that solar power must be brought to use to address power shortage.
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Jahangir Tarin’s Presentation at PTI Energy Seminar (February 26, 2012) - YouTube
I found Jahangir Tareen’s speech as technically sound.. very logical analysis and solutions.
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Solar power is another source of energy which must be tapped to reduce dependency on oil for power generation. Big cities like Lahore, Karachi, Rawalpindi, Peshawar and Quetta get enough sun to use it for power generation. Countries in Europe like Germany, Italy and Spain, residents sell electricity generated through rooftoop solar panels to government and earn revenue for contributing to their national grids. Diversification of energy generation must be a crucial part of any energy policy and I believe that solar power must be brought to use to address power shortage.
Solar power is cheap source of energy!!! is it??? it is cheap if the solar cells/panel need not to be imported for power generation, also the efficiency of such plant is in question...
The way to use this source is, 1) develop a solar cells/panels locally, they are fragile and do not have long life, a minor crack can end the life of the cell.... so maintenance can be very expensive if we are going to import these cells, if Bangladesh can manufacture these panels then so can we.. on the 2nd note, it would create job opportunities as well
2) promote it among the users, instead of installing a complete power generating unit, encourage people to use it, they should buy and install it in their houses... One of the housing project from Eden have this system installed and few other buildings coming up if they instead of installing heavy and expensive generator, install Solar gen. unit, it would be save them alot as well...
3) most importantly, get all the street lights, and other related thing on solar... no more bills for street lights no more corruption, this way we can light the whole country and yet it would not create any burden on over distribution network and out capacity..
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^ the street lights on solar can save a lot of energy which can be used elsewhere, i agree...
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2) promote it among the users, instead of installing a complete power generating unit, encourage people to use it, they should buy and install it in their houses...
I agree with you. That's why I mentioned that people in Europe are selling electricity generated through their rooftop panels. Even here in Dubai and Abu Dhabi, residents may be able to contribute to the national grid by 2014-15.
3) most importantly, get all the street lights, and other related thing on solar... no more bills for street lights no more corruption
I will again give example of some of the states of the UAE where smart solar panels are being used for highway lights. Pakistan should also work on these lines. Imagine if a large number of street and highway lights in Pakistan are put on solar energey, how beneficial it would for the national kitty.