Our national shame

TFT, Oct-10

Ejaz Haider
Our national shame

Recently, the BBC reported about a woman from Azad Kashmir who jumped into a river to commit suicide but was instead washed ashore on the Indian side. Predictably, she was arrested and jailed. While in jail and being tried, she was made pregnant by a jailer and gave birth to a girl. The Indian authorities have been trying to repatriate the woman for many years but Pakistan would not accept her. An Indian court, in a humane decision, asked the authorities to give her shelter and a monthly allowance until she is repatriated so she and her daughter can survive. But pray, why would Pakistan not accept her back?

The answer to this question is the collective shame of a country that might have gained much personal piety in the name of Islam in the past quarter century but in the bargain has lost even the last vestiges of national character. While the woman is from Azad Kashmir, her daughter, born in India, is an Indian. Is that why we would not have her back? Possibly. But more likely, we have another reason for not accepting her with the daughter: the child does not have a father and that means, under the Hudood Laws, that upon the woman’s arrival we will have to charge her with fornication unless she could bring four witnesses to prove that she was raped. The only way she can return is if she leaves the child in India – in which case, of course, there would be no case against her. Of course, we would still have the choice of charging her with committing suicide and/or illegally crossing over into India.

While she is desperate to return, she won’t do so without the child. One doesn’t have to be a mother to know why.

There is something so utterly inhumane about legislation based on a literalist exegesis of religion that it gets under one’s skin. Anyone who thinks that the ulema are amenable to a more humane view of things should watch Geo TV’s programme, Alim Online. It is, at best, a comedy of the grotesque. At worst, it is a moral strip-show where we present ourselves in public in all our naked glory. I am told the programme has great ratings. If that is true, and it is likely to be, I stand vindicated on my earlier point about the depths to which we have collectively sunk.

Just as in the case of the individual, it is the small things that inform of the character of a nation. The thought takes me far back into history to August 3, 216 BC. After the great battle of Cannae, in which some 50,000 Roman legionaries perished and about 10,000 were captured, with Roman Eagles at his feet, Hannibal stood on a knoll, overlooking the sun-warmed Adriatic. The Carthaginian general is reported to have summoned ten legionaries and asked them to go back to Rome. He had set a price for ransom and told the selected ten to go to the Fathers of the Senate and get them to pay up for the release of the captured legionaries. The ten were to leave under oath that they would return.

Once in Rome, where rumours of the disaster had already reached, the legionaries were given an audience with the Fathers. They were asked the reasons for the surrender, conduct unbecoming of Roman legionaries. Pleading on behalf of the captured legionaries, the spokesmen explained that only after the Roman soldiers were sure of the futility of fighting on that they had laid down arms. They begged that the Senate pay ransom so the fighters could be brought back and take to the field again. They said it was only appropriate at the time of such crisis, when even criminals were being freed and given arms, that Rome should have the services of these veterans. The Fathers were facing tremendous pressure.

But given the unyielding Roman code of warfare, the Fathers declined to pay Hannibal. Those who had surrendered would not be liberated. Nine of the ten legionaries proceeded back to inform the ‘Punic’ that nothing would be given him for those who had chosen to fall in his hands in broad daylight with weapons still in hands. One of the ten broke the oath and disappeared. When the Roman Senate came to know of his perfidy, he was searched out and sent back to Hannibal under guard.

Such was the Roman character. It was this that enabled the barbarians of Tiber to herald the Roman civilisation and dominate the then-known world with Pax Romana. Hannibal was good; too good, in fact, for the rigid battle tactics of Roman legionaries. With his lightening Numidian cavalry and his penchant for speed and surprise, he dominated the battlefield. The Battles of Lake Tresimeno and Cannae are a testimony to his grasp of battle tactics. But Carthage lost out to Rome in the end. In the long run, one man against Rome, even a man like the son of Hamilcar, could not overcome the national spirit of Romans. At the risk of oversimplification, I would say that Rome won the war the day it despatched the tenth man, who had broken the oath, under guard to Hannibal.

Compare that character with our lack of it and it should become clear why we crawl on our belly like the Biblical serpent and have charlatans as our rulers and religious scholars. Why indeed, despite being the most pusillanimous, miserable collection of humankind that ever breathed the air, our daily discourtesies, savageries and depravities remain matchless. Do we have enough character to accept the woman waiting to return to Pakistan along with her fatherless child? Or would we invoke our regressive legislation ostensibly to do ourselves proud as Muslims and, in the process, establish our credentials once again as barbarians? Let’s have an answer to that before we begin to talk about nationalism.

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Re: Our national shame

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*Originally posted by shawaiz: *
But more likely, we have another reason for not accepting her with the daughter: the child does not have a father and that means, under the Hudood Laws, that upon the woman’s arrival we will have to charge her with fornication unless she could bring four witnesses to prove that she was raped. The only way she can return is if she leaves the child in India – in which case, of course, there would be no case against her. Of course, we would still have the choice of charging her with committing suicide and/or illegally crossing over into India.

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A famous 19th century Iranian Muslim reformist Jamal al-Din al-Afghani once said, " every muslim is sick and his only remedy is the Quran", to which a British parliamentarian replied, "unfortunately the sickness gets worse the more the remedy is taken".

^ both of the people dinn know whatthey were talking about, one made an irresponsible remark, and the other followed with an idiotic one.

Maybe the attributes to the remarks were "idiotic" in both instances.

does it really matter where she lives now? i mean she tried to commit suicide, something that is not allowed in islam and here you are preaching this BS to people online. if you are so impressed by the humane thingie indian government has done for her then would you kindly tell us what happened to the jailer, the rapist? don't tell me he is enjoying his life fully and has left this woman to take care of her and her child. where is justice for her in this case.

^^ the jailer would have gone scot free no matter what side of the LOC he was.. both societies commit gross injustices against women.. it's sad one of them has the nerve to thump it's chest and proclaim they are protectors of women rights cuz of their religion.

Main point to note is that the woman cannot be admitted back to her own country because of stupid laws that pander to obsolete religious caveats.

All the nitwits can come up is "why did she try to commit suicide which is against islam".

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*Originally posted by TomSawyer: *
Main point to note is that the woman cannot be admitted back to her own country because of stupid laws that pander to obsolete religious caveats.

All the nitwits can come up is "why did she try to commit suicide which is against islam".
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Think before you speak of Islam in this way, and stop spitting garbage all the time!

another stupid story put up by an author who wishes to be freed from the chains of religion....
such morons r the ones who need to be burnt alive for not having any character and for not having loyalty either to their religion or to their country....
and for spitting out lies like this just to have their names printed in the papers and get some cheap money out of it....
really they r a shame for the nation....

and those who wish to blame the pak government shud question themselves of the possibilities that g with the case....
how does the woman prove she is really a pakistani....
how can we be sure she aint an indian spy who is being thrown in under the cover of the story....
how can ppl blame religion for this???? and where do 4 witnesses come in for rape???? even a moron wud know better that no one commits rape before witnesses....

garbage i tell u....

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*Originally posted by armughal: *

how can ppl blame religion for this???? and where do 4 witnesses come in for rape???? even a moron wud know better that no one commits rape before witnesses....

garbage i tell u....
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Hm! So can anyone educate us which system requires 4 witnesses for proving rape? armughal is asking a fundamental question here. Come on Islamabad!

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*Originally posted by armughal: *
another stupid story put up by an author who wishes to be freed from the chains of religion....
such morons r the ones who need to be burnt alive for not having any character and for not having loyalty either to their religion or to their country....
and for spitting out lies like this just to have their names printed in the papers and get some cheap money out of it....
really they r a shame for the nation....

and those who wish to blame the pak government shud question themselves of the possibilities that g with the case....
how does the woman prove she is really a pakistani....
how can we be sure she aint an indian spy who is being thrown in under the cover of the story....
how can ppl blame religion for this???? and where do 4 witnesses come in for rape???? even a moron wud know better that no one commits rape before witnesses....

garbage i tell u....
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You seem to be a very frustrated person. Did you even read the articel? Re-read it before you begin lambasting the author.

the point of the story is .... neither side could care less what happens to the woman or the daughter.. shes just a story for the indians to go against Islam... and for the pakistanis to follow islam...

humanity comes before religion..

it is really an absurd thinking that the girl is an indian spy.y she tried to commit suicide first.she should have been raped in the pakistan itself n then unable to bear the "law of the land" she should have tried that act.it is really a selective reception n selective retention behaviour of u ppl that make u speak that a girl come from pakistan trying the last step without being subjected to grave injustices at home.y u ppl dont try to clean up ur house before pointing fingers at others. even the "humane" thing dosnt happens in pakistan. there r hundreds of fisherman who r languishing in the jails in that side of the border.
is there anything called a law n court in that part of the world. iam really ignorant of these facts. i know of a court which at the behest of musharaf does anything he tells.
try to grow up to the modrn world guys

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*Originally posted by PakistaniAbroad: *
^^ the jailer would have gone scot free no matter what side of the LOC he was..

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that's only your assumption which dont mean squat. Talk about facts. And the fact of the matter is that the Indian jailor has gone scot free for raping a Pakistani woman in his jail in India.

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*Originally posted by armughal: *

how does the woman prove she is really a pakistani....
how can we be sure she aint an indian spy who is being thrown in under the cover of the story....
how can ppl blame religion for this???? and where do 4 witnesses come in for rape???? even a moron wud know better that no one commits rape before witnesses....

garbage i tell u....
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actully there is a point here and I'd like to prove it.

Neelam and Jehlam both flow into AJK through IHK which means the woman some how went upstream rather than going down stream, now while that is pretty much impossible as is, any of u who have been to AJK and the LOC should know how furiously the Jehlam and Neelam flow into Pakistan, the flow is soo strong that it is frequently used for log smuggling. So for the woman to actually reach the indian side, she would not only have to be going up stream, she would actually have to do it againt a verry high current river. And still manage to reach india alive in one piece (never mind the extremly rocky bed and sides of the rever).
On a more political note, Pakistan has set up numerus shelter camps for ppl from IHK in the AK area, so if Pakistan is so much willing to give shelter to Kashmiri familes, I fail to udnerstand why would they not allow a Kashmiri woman in who has been harrased by Indian police ??
I'm not trying to be a govt spokesman here, I am trying to defy logic here, as impossible it is for a women to reach IHK by attempting suiside in Jehlam (most likly) and if by some crazy miracle such thing ever happend, do u really think Pakistan would have missed an oppertunity to exploit an ideal case of HR voilation by Indians in front of international comunity ?

Bye.

What do LOC and IHK stand for?

Line of Control and Indian held Kashmir..

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*Originally posted by khalif: *
y u ppl dont try to clean up ur house before pointing fingers at others.

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hmmm.. well is ur house cleaned?... so stop pointin fingers to this side.... since ur house is not cleaner.. then keep ur spraying in ur mouth!!!

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even the "humane" thing dosnt happens in pakistan.
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UMMM.. BURNING PPL ALIVE?.. WAT IS SO HUMANE ABOUT THAT? OR SHALL I SAY INHUMANE?

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there r hundreds of fisherman who r languishing in the jails in that side of the border.
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well if they cross the border illegally then wat else are we suppose to do?.. thas wat borders are for...

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is there anything called a law n court in that part of the world. iam really ignorant of these facts.
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hmmm law... again look at ur house before lookin at someone elses.. coz its no better.. if u want me to give an example.. no prob.. but then... u probably know 100's so no point of listin... since i dont read indian newspapers.. so.. yea

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i know of a court which at the behest of musharaf does anything he tells.
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umm was tha diff.. does indian govt and police and ppl get prosecuted for not protecting the gujrat muslims?... so i guess urs is not so.. umm.. better.. more like worse..

I FEEL SORRY FOR INDIANS .. SORRY THAT THEY TURN A BLIND EYE AT THEIR OWN MESS.. BUT LOOK AT OTHERS TO "TRY" TO POTRAY THAT THEY ARE "DEMOCRATIC"..LOLZZZZZZZ

ALLAH HAFIZ

how can we be sure she aint an indian spy who is being thrown in under the cover of the story....

Among all the other stupid comments, this was the stupidest. What, she's gonna spy on how the garbage is disposed in the shelter home she'd be transferred to?

Re: Our national shame

fatherless child? now thats gr8. where is the alleged jailer who raped her and left her with the child. that sure was a gr8 thing to do. i’m sure he’ll get a pat on the back for doing this very holy and religious thing to a woman, rapping her. if this author is so concerned about national shame and integrity of islam then why does he volunteer to help her bring her back to her beloved homeland pakistan.

this guy is way over the mark on this issue.