Our failure to protect the land of Buddhists...

Jizya, or the tax imposed by Muslims on non-Muslims could have saved those Buddhists had their been a conquest of Nepal. Unfortunately this could not be done. This cost those poor people their everything. Their houses, their livelihoods, their way of life, their entire existence was wiped out and now only remnants remain.

Since the Buddhists are truly peace loving people, it is against their beliefs to raise arms against even an oppressor. They are like doves or sheep, truly docile in their following of their faith, so when the encroachment was made upon them, they so were caught off-guard. All it needed to save them would have been the expansion of Muslims to Nepal.

We would have taken them under our wings. We would have imposed the Jizya on them, and told them to hang tight as we would take care of them and protect their lives, property and honor. They being devoted to their worship, would not have had to lift a finger to protect themselves. But alas, they were gorged by the oncoming barrage of ogrishness that was the twentieth century and were swallowed whole.

It’s time we took matters out of other people’s hands and back into ours…

The article I read which made me write this…

Oh for pete’s sake whoever he is, why does every post that has Allah, or Buddhism or Hinduism or the Prophets :as: mentioned in it, gets teleported to religion…? :confused: Can’t we have a ‘general’ discussion about things?

I know damn well what I should put into religious context and what I wish to discuss offhandedly…Dang…This pisses me off…:mad3: :mad3: :mad3: :mad3:

This is very much a religious discussion and if you're going to start discussing things like jizya in relation to Bhuddists then what do you think this forum is for?

yeah like they were saved in Afghanistan and present day pakistan or like the great tender loving regard was given to them by the talitubbies when they blew up the Bamiyan Buddhas

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yeah like they were saved in Afghanistan and present day pakistan or like the great tender loving regard was given to them by the talitubbies when they blew up the Bamiyan Buddhas
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When India goes starving and Pakistan donates 10 million dollar to renovate Taj Mahal, don't be mad at us :p

Even better was the international consortium willing to spend millions of dollars to save a statue, while the newly independant (again) Afghanistan had children dying of malnutrition...It needed aid then, not now...Story would have been different if Afghanistan had been found with oil then...

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Even better was the international consortium willing to spend millions of dollars to save a statue, while the newly independant (again) Afghanistan had children dying of malnutrition...It needed aid then, not now...Story would have been different if Afghanistan had been found with oil then...
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So by blowing up buddhist stautues, did the taliban feed it's people the rocks?

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Even better was the international consortium willing to spend millions of dollars to save a statue, while the newly independant (again) Afghanistan had children dying of malnutrition...It needed aid then, not now...Story would have been different if Afghanistan had been found with oil then...
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it is pakistan's need of strtegic depth caused lot problems for afghans
they are caught up in india/pakistan rivalry.

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So by blowing up buddhist stautues, did the taliban feed it's people the rocks?
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There was no one worshipping them...And Islam doesn't allow religious images to be displayed in public...

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There was no one worshipping them...And Islam doesn't allow religious images to be displayed in public...
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In that case, you would take jizya and still destroy their places of worship?

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There was no one worshipping them...And Islam doesn't allow religious images to be displayed in public...
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are they allowed to sell opium ?

lol Yes, but only when Allah doesn’t pay his army and they’re out of money :hehe:

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are they allowed to sell opium ?
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The Taliban had ousted 99% of opium production in Afghanistan which constituted for about 75% of the whole world...But I believe you have never about this, have you...

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The Taliban had ousted 99% of opium production in Afghanistan which constituted for about 75% of the whole world...But I believe you have never about this, have you...
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they are still muslim taliban or not.

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they are still muslim taliban or not.
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No, I think they are pagans...:)

Yes they are, and...?

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they are still muslim taliban or not.
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Thats a hard question. The molvis will have to ask amreeka for that!

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In that case, you would take jizya and still destroy their places of worship?
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Yes...

P.S. They were not places of worship but religious symbols...Places of worship are protected...After the conquest of Jerusalem, respective Muslim leaders built, maintained and renovated Jewish places of worship destryoed by Crusaders and resettled Jews in Jerusalem...

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And Islam doesn't allow religious images to be displayed in public...

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Where does it say that?

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There was no one worshipping them...And Islam doesn't allow religious images to be displayed in public...
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can you qoute one islamic scholars who approved destruction of
bhudda's statue.

rvikz:

It’s not a matter of approval…
It was an Islamic duty for the Taliban to have destroyed the idols.

and Allah Ta’ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
FATWA DEPT.

http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=2494

Paaga| |nsaan:

The link…

The Destruction of Statues Displayed in an Islamic State

Statues

Statues have been severely condemned in numerous verses of the Holy Quráan
and an abundant number of Ahaadith of Nabi Sallallahu Alayhi wa Sallam. To
mention these in detail would require a few volumes. We suffice here with
a few examples.

Quráan

What, do they (the mushrikeen) take gods (made) of earth, which they carry
about. (Surah Ambiyaah Aayat 21).

Surely those that are worshipped besides Allah (i.e. the idols), they cannot
create anything, (but) are themselves created, (and they are) dead (and) not
alive. (Surah Nahl Aayat 21)

Surely those that you call out to (i.e. worship) besides Allah (i.e. the
idols), they cannot create a single fly, even if all of them had to gather
for this purpose. And should a fly snatch anything from them they cannot
prevent the fly from doing so. (Surah Haj Aayat 73)

What, do they attribute as a partner (unto Allah) that which cannot create
anything (i.e. the idols), whereas they (i.e. the idols) are themselves
created, and they are unable to assist anyone, nor are they themselves
assisted. If you had to call them towards guidance, they will not follow
you. It is both equal to them that you call them or you remain silent.
Surely those that you (O Mushrikeen) call out to (i.e. you worship) besides
Allah (i.e. the idols), they are slaves like you. Therefore call onto them
and see if they reply, if you are true (in your claim). Do they have feet by
means of which they may walk, do they have hands by means of which they may
grab, do they have eyes by means of which they may see, do they have ears by
means of which they may hear.. (Surah A’raaf Aayat 179)

Allah Ta’ala has mentioned the incident of Hazrat Ibraaheem Alayhis Salaam
breaking the idols a number of times in the Quráan.

Ahaadith

Narrated Ibn Abbas (Radiyallahu anhuma): When Allah's Apostle came to Makkah, he refused to enter the Kaba with idols in it. He ordered that the
idols be taken out). (Bukhari 2.671)

Narrated Abdullah bin Masud (Radiyallahu anhu): The Prophet entered
Makkah and (at that time) there were three hundred-and-sixty idols around
the Ka`ba. He started stabbing the idols with a stick he had in his hand and
reciting: “Truth (Islam) has come and Falsehood (disbelief) has vanished.”
(Bukhari 3.658)

It is reported from Abul al-Hayaj al-Asadi who said 'Ali bin Abu Talib
(Radiyallahu anhu) told me: “Should I not instruct you to do as the
Messenger of Allah Sallallahu Alayhi wa Sallam instructed me? Do not leave a
statue standing without removing it. Do not leave a grave raised without
leveling it.” (Naylul Awtaar vol.4 pg.83)

Hazrat 'Amr b. 'Abasa Sulami (Radiyallahu anhu) reported: (Before becoming a
Muslim) I said to Rasulullah Sallallahu Alayhi wa Sallam: Who are you? He
said: I am a Prophet (of Allah). I again said: Who is a Prophet? He said: (I
am a Prophet in the sense that) I have been sent by Allah. I said: What is
that which you have been sent with? He said: I have been sent to join ties
of relationship (with kindness and affection), to break the Idols, and to
proclaim the oneness of Allah (in a manner that) nothing is to be associated
with Him. (Muslim Book 4, Number 1812 Chapter 142: HOW 'AMR B. 'ABASA
EMBRACED ISLAM )

There cannot be anything more abhorrent in Islam than statues and idols. It
was one of the primary duties of Rasulullah Sallallahu Alayhi wa Sallam to
destroy idols. He was sent for this purpose. He instructed Hazrat Ali
(Radiyallahu anhu) not to leave any statue standing. At the very first
opportunity, he demolished the idols found in Makkah Mukarramah. Therefore,
any person with a clear mind, unclouded by ramblings of those that deny
Allah, can understand that there can be no place whatsoever for idols in
Islam. It is the very antithesis of Islam. The very doctrine of the Deen is
in diametrical opposition to the keeping of statues and idols.

Most unfortunately, some Muslims of weak Imaan have been put into doubt over
such a clear-cut issue. To remove their doubts, we will discuss a few
arguments in favor of non-interference with idols.

Offensive

The primary argument presented is that the destruction of idols is offensive
to the religious convictions of certain communities. Islam teaches us to
respect the religious beliefs of non-Muslims.

Answer

It is wrong to say that Islam teaches us to respect the religious beliefs of
non-Muslims. To respect the beliefs of others means to respect kufr and
shirk. This is totally unacceptable.

Yes, what we do respect is their right to practice their religion. In other
words, despite the fact that we intensely abhor their beliefs, should they
wish to practice on those beliefs, we will grant them the freedom to do so.
This too is on condition that it does not conflict with our interests.

As far as our attitude being offensive, well, if the truth be told, the
whole of Islam is offensive to some of the kuffaar. Even our kalimah is
offensive to the mushrikeen. Our kalima denounces all deities besides Allah
Ta’ala as false. This emphatically implies that the gods of the mushrikeen
are false.

So are we going to abandon our kalima because it is offensive to some of the
kuffaar? Certainly not!

In the same light there are numerous teachings of Islam which are offensive
to one community or the other. Are we then going to discard these teachings
merely because someone is offended?

Are we then going to court the pleasure of the kuffaar at the expense of
earning the displeasure of our Creator Allah Subhaanahu wa Ta’ala?

It is obvious that by acting on the law of Allah Ta’ala we will be earning
the rebuke of the kuffaar, for Islam and kufr are two diametrically opposed
ideologies. There is thus no surprise in their criticism.