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*Originally posted by Prism Man: *
So Islamic khilafa has nothing to stop non-muslims from having temples.
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So in Auragnzeb's reign, why were thousands of Hindu temples were destroyed? Go to Delhi and see the side buildings of Kutb Minar. They are made out of stones torn out from temples. Nobody told me tthis or I read it somewhere. I saw the stones with my own eyes a number of times. Please don't try to mislead people in thinking zakat and jaziya are the same. In mughal times, during famines whole towns were razed if Hindus did not come up with a punitive jaziya. Prism Man level of your ignorance is appalling.
And you haven't convinced anyone but your like-minded bros that you have defeated Matsui. Jorse chillane se jo tum chilla rahe ho voh sach nahi hota.
So in Auragnzeb's reign, why were thousands of Hindu temples were destroyed? Go to Delhi and see the side buildings of Kutb Minar. They are made out of stones torn out from temples. Nobody told me tthis or I read it somewhere. I saw the stones with my own eyes a number of times. Please don't try to mislead people in thinking zakat and jaziya are the same. In mughal times, during famines whole towns were razed if Hindus did not come up with a punitive jaziya. Prism Man level of your ignorance is appalling.
And you haven't convinced anyone but your like-minded bros that you have defeated Matsui. Jorse chillane se jo tum chilla rahe ho voh sach nahi hota.
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First of all your allusion to AUrangzeb is incorrect for Aurangzeb was not a Khalifa. But Indians' obession with Aurangzeb never ceases to surprise me. For ONE Aurangzeb, I can give many of examples other Benovalent Muslim rulers who treated the entire population equally and justly. Take the Tughlaqs for example. Or the early Mughal rulers. And then take BJP - the current rulers of India. What have they done other than razing mosques and killing Muslims? Arvind dude, I have 2 Indian Muslim friends from Hyderabad and they tell me that the Muslim community in India is now more isloated and polarised than ever. One guy even went on to the extent that they need a 'Pakistan II' in your country. So dont give me bull that nobody knows what goes on in Indieland. On what grounds can you blame Aurangzeb now? That 'score' has been 'settled' by your Hinduist government.
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KSA does not allow the practice of other schools of thought of Islam in its border let alone other religions. Other muslim countries are not quite the same.
as far as not allowing non muslims in the holy cities was more of a practical solution to avoid terrorists who wanted to cause damage there from entering, rather than a religious edict.
I have no issues with finding a practical solution for ppl from other faith for entering the holy cities as long as they respect the sanctity of the places. From what I know engineers, project mgrs etc of other faiths have been in mecca and medina for teh plannign of hotels and all in the city.
places of worship in the kingdom, sure lets have them. saudis approach is not the right one.
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Thankyu fraudiya..someone who said it. Who is gonna start a petition to have a Ram Mandir in Jeddah?
Arvind, In the Qutub Minar complex there was a huge Buddhist temple that was destroyed by Qutubuddin. Some of the large stoneds were used to make the minar. If you go there you can still see Sanskrit inscriptiptions. It is amazing. The temple was built during the time of Ashoka. The ruins have been made into a National Monument along with Qutub Minar. SOme of reliefs are unbelievably beutiful and thought provoking.
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KSA does not allow the practice of other schools of thought of Islam in its border let alone other religions. Other muslim countries are not quite the same.
as far as not allowing non muslims in the holy cities was more of a practical solution to avoid terrorists who wanted to cause damage there from entering, rather than a religious edict.
I have no issues with finding a practical solution for ppl from other faith for entering the holy cities as long as they respect the sanctity of the places. From what I know engineers, project mgrs etc of other faiths have been in mecca and medina for teh plannign of hotels and all in the city.
places of worship in the kingdom, sure lets have them. saudis approach is not the right one.
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Hmm, Very good post!
But to Matsui your arrogance and constant dodging is typical and why must you attack muslim laws? OK they mabye harsh to a non-muslim but we dont exactly go onto a hindu board and say hurtful things inregards to your religion, muslim law in stated in the quran and is deemed sacred. How would you like it if we were to insult your four main hindu books? Like the Rig Veda (I hope i spelt that right)!
And ok since were on the topic would the indian people and your religious preists allow me to set-up a mosque outside Rameshwaram and would they allow me to sing naat through the speaker all day? would they tolerate me saying the azzan 5 times a day?
For one possibly fictitious Indian muslim who wants a Pakistan II, there are 140 milion who still want to live in India. Sure there are Indian muslims unhappy with Indian government as there are Hindus but by and large India has treated its minorities far better than, lets say Pakistan has its. India has 15% muslims, do you know aht is the % of Hindus in Pakistan? Karachi had 15% Hindu population in 1947, today it is less tna 1%. So before you start slinging mud at India, which seems like your constant passtime, look at Pakistan and in fact other muslim countries and see how they treat their minorities. For crying out loud, CG, Pakisyan doesn't even treat its muslim minorities or have you forgotten recent grenade attack on Shias in Quetta?
Before you point a finger at someone else remember there are three fingers at pointing at yourself.
And as for you "Indian muslim" friend who feels isolated ask him to move to Pakistan. I am sure CG you don't realise that if break-up of India which you seem to so heartily wish occurs, Pakistan will not escape the total destruction of the subcontinent. An India without its muslims will be far more antagonistic and dangerous to Pakistan. But then you sitting somwhere in US or UK don't have a clue of the realpolitic of the subcontinent as you won't be suffering the consequences of what you are endorsing.
So in Auragnzeb's reign, why were thousands of Hindu temples were destroyed? Go to Delhi and see the side buildings of Kutb Minar. They are made out of stones torn out from temples. Nobody told me tthis or I read it somewhere. I saw the stones with my own eyes a number of times. Please don't try to mislead people in thinking zakat and jaziya are the same. In mughal times, during famines whole towns were razed if Hindus did not come up with a punitive jaziya. Prism Man level of your ignorance is appalling.
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So when did Auregnzeb became the example of Islamic khalifa??? He is not even considered khalifa by a single muslim. He was just a ruler. Nothing more. Nothing less. If you want to see an example of how Islamic khalifa treats non-muslims, then look at the example of Hazrat Umer (Peace be upon him) when muslims took over Jerusalem.
After the muslims captured Jerusalem, the Khalifa (Hazrat Umer) himself went to the city to lead the muslims into it. He was welcomed into the city by the christian leaders. Now the muslims needed a place to pray. Some suggested to use the big church temporarily. Hazrat Umer rejected the idea saying "if we use the church as a place for muslim prayers, some of the later muslims may get the idea to take it over as a mosque, and that is not acceptable under Islam. The church is a place of worship for the christians of this city and it shall remain like that". The muslims prayed in the open. This is the level of respect and tolerence for non-muslims in a true khilafat.
Arvind.. i don't wanna say this but your level of ignorance in thinking Aurengzeb is a khalifa is truly appalling. :)
Let me get this, its ok for Shias to grieve the death of Hazrat Ali 700 hundred year after his death, it is ok for Christians to grieve the death of Hazrat Isa after 2000 years and us Hindus should forget Aurganzeb just after 400 years after what he did?
