Didnt the Prophet :saw: say that no two religions can exist in the arab peninsula?
Sorry going a bit off topic, but is this the reason why Saudi Arabia does not allow other religions their places of worship to be built.
i think this is incorrect M.
:salam:
Yeah I should have given the reference, but I think this is why they dont allow any other religion in arabia.
I found it at Islam Q&A
It is not permissible allow the kuffaar to take up residence in the Arabian Peninsula. The scholars differed at to the definition of the boundaries of the Arabian Peninsula, but they did not differ as to the fact that Madeenah is part of it.
Ibn Qudaamah said:
It is not permissible for any of them (the kuffaar) to live in the Hijaaz. This is the view of Maalik and al-Shaafa’i, but Maalik said: I think that they should be expelled from all the Arab lands, because the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Two religions cannot coexist in the Arabian Peninsula.” Abu Dawood narrated with his isnaad from ‘Umar that he heard the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say: “I will certainly expel the Jews and the Christians from the Arabian Peninsula,, and I will not leave anyone there but Muslims.” Al-Tirmidhi said: this is a saheeh hasan hadeeth. And it was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) left behind three instructions. He said: Expel the mushrikeen from the Arabian Peninsula, honour the delegations the way that I do, and he kept quiet about the third. Narrated by Abu Dawood.
Al-Mughni, 9/285, 286.
What about jizya then?
What about the treaties with the jews of medina?
Hazrat Ali used to work in an orchard owned by a Jew.
The jews were expelled from madinah before the prophet :saw: death cause they broke the agreement.
Im not too sure about all the exact historical details though and to what extent this was carried out.
Maybe someone else can explain better.
Given that that expulsion happened because of their breaking an agreement and not actually because of their being jews, you can see that just being from another religion doesnt mean that you're not allowed to live in arabia.
Likewise, I do not believe that after Fath-e-makka, the kuffar were forced to either convert or leave the country.
Likewise, Im pretty sure that after the war of Khyber, the jews of khyber agreed to pay jizya in return for protection in the Islamic nation.
^ how does that work? Protection money? are the muslims comparable to Don Corleone? Why would they need protection? From whom?
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^ how does that work? Protection money? are the muslims comparable to Don Corleone? Why would they need protection? From whom?
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Do you consider IRS same as Don Corleone too? What a lame argument. Muslims in muslim land pay zakat and non-muslims pay jaziya. Different names. Same concept. Non-muslims are neither required to convert to Islam nor are discriminated in civic facilities because of being non-muslims. Muslim government is supposed to provide police protection and maintain army etc. This is how they get funds to do all that - from both muslims and non-muslims. If they can't provide protection, they are not supposed to collect jaziya either.
Do muslims pay a jizya? IRS asks for income tax. It doesn;t ask for black tax and mexican tax or muslim tax. learn the difference. You are treating minorties with different set of rules it is bound to establish discord. If tomorrow in the US, the gov't decides all muslims should pay a "protection" tax. How would it fly?
These are 7th century concepts...leave them in the 7th century.
Merey khayaal se Huzoor-e-Aqdas :saw: ne saaf saaf hadees mein farma diya hai ke do mazhab jazeerat-e-arab mein aik saath nahein reh sakte.
Woh muqaddas jageh hai, wahaan Kaafiroun ka permanently rehna shayid munaasib nahein hai.
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Do muslims pay a jizya?
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No.. and non-muslims don't pay zakat either.
Both zakat and jizya are based on accumulated wealth so its not like non-muslims are unfairly targetted or something. Neither of them is paying significantly higher than the other. Its just a way of collecting funds from the rich (both muslims and non-muslims citizens of the state) to run the state as well as providing a safety net to the unfortunate and poor people.
But why call it different things? If it is one and the same then why marginalize the populations with minority play vs. majority play.
Secondly, I want to become khalifah...I am not going to convert. Why on the basis of my religion should I be denied the right to rule over a people considering I was born and bred in that area.
Now you have gone on a tangent. If you want to discuss why non-muslims can't be khalifa... that has practically nothing to do with this discussion. There are a lot of people who pay taxes in US but can't run for President.
To come back to the first point, thats because zakat has dual purpose and is mandated for muslims only. If a muslim doesn't pay it, even if he or she is not caught by the muslim government, it will count as a bad deed in the day of judgement. It is part of our religion as well as a civic duty.
Jizya, on the other hand, is for non-muslims, and is just a civic duty. Yes, it goes back to the discussion on separation of church and state, but this is what it is. Both of them are kinds of taxes. None of them is applied unjustly and no one has to pay both. Its either one or the other.
Actually I don;t feel like paying the jizya as I feel I don't need the protection but would like to pay the zakat. is that cool?
Since its all hypothetical at this point, so you can be hypothetically arrested for not paying 
Anyway, as long as you have accumulated a certain amount of wealth and are a citizen of the muslim state, you don’t really have a choice of not-paying.
Unfortunately you can’t pay zakat if you are not a muslim .. your tough luck (can’t give you all that sawaab ).
And just as if you don’t like IRS, you can move to Cayman Islands… similarly, if you don’t like to pay jizya, you can move to Maharshtra. :k:
Doesnt India have a different set of rules for its minorities?
Is that necessarily unfair to minorities or there for their protection?
Actually I like the concept of duty to the community. That is a good phenomenon in the islamic state. I am not too happy with with the whole concept of muslims being the caliphs and the whole islamic finance thing. that is the whole thing is a bit of a house of cards.
But those topics I have debated here to death. I just want to have a mandir in Jeddah that blares bhajans in the morning. I am sure that would be possible in the khilafah. Equality and all.
phir jitne hawalay may nay diay hein unka javaaz dein.
sab sirat e rasool, ya khalifatul muslimeen may say hein.
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Doesnt India have a different set of rules for its minorities?
Is that necessarily unfair to minorities or there for their protection?
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Nope, it is an idiotic system. It needs to be abolished asap.