Osama is doing his best to associate himself and his squads to Islam.
He is threatening revenge against all Americans anywhere in the global.
On the contrary the world powers are conscious to make it clear that their fight is not against Islam. Leaders of Islamic world have taken side of the powerful, though the majority of Muslim populations in respective countries are chanting in favor of Osama.
Is Osama a representation of Islam today?
How the scholars of Islam who are making all efforts all the time to find peace notions in Islam can explain the present situation?
as do all religions, Islam is growing into different flavours. OBL's is one! Paki Islam is much different than turkish islam which is different than saudi or Indian or OBLs.
The cats can close thier eyes. They are welcome to do so. But in reality, OBL's is just one flavor of islam - a pretty screwed up one!
welcome back kumarakn, been long time, hope all is fine.
To answer mr anand, no Osama is not representing Islam. He is one of those rulers/invaders/politicians in past/history who exploited religious beleifs to gain popularity/political strength. He is on the wrong side.
No where in Islam it is allowed to attack on civilians for ANY reason. Fight is permissible with 'army' only, and that too under certain circumstances.
I believe that one is allowed to RETALIATE if attacked.
Don't forget the history of these people.
Once u have their past in mind, you may be able to judge Osama on a lighter panel.
The Taliban enforce a very strict version of Islam. This guy is not saying anything that conflicts with Islamic laws. Jihad (at the moment when civilians are being striked at) is not unislamic.
YOu, personally, were not given the proofs, were you? Neither were the Taliban. What does that suggest to you? Gives me a lot to ponder about.
This guy is not saying anything that conflicts with Islamic laws. Jihad (at the moment when civilians are being striked at) is not unislamic.
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The call of Jihad from OBL did not come this moth. This guy has declared "Jihad" ever since the world knows him.
2ndly, ISLAMIC JIHAD doesn't allow innocents to be hurt, nor the Women, childrenm, or the elders. Hurting any of these, even under the process of "Jihad" is very UN-ISLAMIC.
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** howz about YOU proving to me that osama/or his network was behind all this. Don't go for the lil phrases put out by CNN. Gimme hardcore proofs.
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Nah sister! I was actually refering to his Fatwa, suggesting American "Civilians" should also be killed by Muslims whereever found. Thats his version of "Jihad".
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In 70s it was Gaddaffi calling for Islam.
In 70s & 80s it was Khomeiny calling for Islam.
Then it was Saddam calling for Islam.
Now it is Osama calling for Islam.
Islamic history lies a lot, and we cannot argue the tyranny figures like Tughlaq. For them they are saints.
But we have seen killings and bloodshed at the hands of Gaddaffi, Khomeiny and now it is Osama.
And all of them have done their best to become representation of Islam.
And all of them have succeeded in getting support among Muslim masses.
What is wrong if we question the ideology of Islam?
Forget Islam how about hinduism a religion of supression with the blood of millions of bhuddhist on its hands. Stop worrying about Islam worry about mending your own ways.
The ideology of Islam has been questioned for centuries in the past and it will be questioned for centuries in the future.
By whom! Everyone!
Another Anand won't change a thing.
Each and every time the ideology has been questioned, what happens, Islam always comes up trumps.
Some people will always be 'fatally attracted' and 'obssessed' by the Ideology and won't see the Truth despite it being on a plate right in front of the obssessed!
Instead of looking at the positive figures of Islam, the enemies focus all their energy on the negative and then use the negative as a role model and representative.
This is known as INSECURE NEGATIVITY UNASSERTIVE LOSEROLOGY SYNDROME.
The Qur'aan brilliantly sums them up:
002.017 Their similitude is that of a man who kindled a fire; when it lighted all around him, Allah took away their light and left them in utter darkness. So they could not see.
002.018 Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path).
022.046 Do they not travel through the land, so that their hearts (and minds) may thus learn wisdom and their ears may thus learn to hear? Truly it is not their eyes that are blind, but their hearts which are in their breasts.
040.058 Not equal are the blind and those who (clearly) see: Nor are (equal) those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and those who do evil. Little do ye learn by admonition!
'Don't throw stones at glass houses. Especially when the glass house is your own'!
, simply a pathetic idiot, i don’t know much of his history what made him call ‘Islamic world’ to help him.
all “Muslims” are part of one body called “Ummah”, it is responsibility of one part to help/support other if it is in pain/suffering (which is very contrary to what we see today). BUT all parts MUST support only ‘right’ and oppose ‘wrong’. to some people some cause might seem ‘right’ but may be ‘wrong’ from others perspective. so its better to use Quran to judge who is right and who is wrong. but unfortunately most Muslims are ignorants of teachings of Quran, they are paying more attention to the teachings of ‘self declared’ “religious/righteous” people.
“O you who believe! If a wicked person comes to you with a report, VERIFY IT, lest you harm the people in ignorance, and are consequently filled with regret over what you have done.” [Surat al-Hujuraat 49:6]
The news and views that we are being given has been edited and the possibility of us being misled is greater then ever, since everything
** The Al-Qa’idah group had nothing to do with the 11 September attacks **
The Al-Qaidah group had nothing to do with the 11 September attacks on the
USA, according to Usamah Bin-Ladin in an interview with the Pakistani
paper Ummat. Usamah Bin-Ladin went on to suggest that Jews or US secret
services were behind the attacks, and to express gratitude and support for
Pakistan, urging Pakistans people to jihad against the West. The following
is the text of an interview conducted by a special correspondent,
published Pakistani newspaper Ummat on 28 September, place and date of
interview not given. The first paragraph is Ummats introduction.
Kabul: Prominent Arab mojahed [holy warrior] Usamah Bin-Ladin has said
that he or his al-Qaidah group has nothing to do with the 11 September
suicidal attacks in Washington and New York. He said the US government
should find the attackers within the country. In an exclusive interview
with daily Ummat, he said these attacks could be the act of those who are
part of the American system and are rebelling against it and working for
some other system. Or, Usamah said, this could be the act of those who
want to make the current century a century of conflict between Islam and
Christianity.
Or, the American Jews, who are opposed to President Bush ever since the
Florida elections, might be the masterminds of this act. There is also a
great possibility of the involvement of US intelligence agencies, which
need billions of dollars worth of funds every year. He said there is a
government within the government in the United States. The secret
agencies, he said, should be asked as to who are behind the attacks.
Usamah said support for attack on Afghanistan was a matter of need for
some Muslim countries and compulsion for others. However, he said, he was
thankful to the courageous people of Pakistan who erected a bulwark before
the wrong forces. He added that the Islamic world was attaching great
expectations with Pakistan and, in time of need, we will protect this
bulwark by sacrificing of lives. Following is the interview in full
detail:
Ummat: You have been accused of involvement in the attacks in New York and
Washington. What do you want to say about this? If you are not involved,
who might be?
Usamah: In the name of Allah, the most beneficent, the most merciful.
Praise be to Allah, Who is the creator of the whole universe and Who Made
the earth as an abode for peace, for the whole mankind. Allah is the
Sustainer, who sent Prophet Muhammad for our guidance. I am thankful to
The Ummat Group of Publications, which gave me the opportunity to convey
my viewpoint to the people, particularly the valiant and Momin [true
Muslim] people of Pakistan who refused to believe in lie of the demon. I
have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in
the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I
had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of
innocent women, children, and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam
strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children, and other
people. Such a practice is forbidden ever in the course of a battle. It is
the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women,
children, and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of
Islam. All that is going on in Palestine for the last 11 months is
sufficient to call the wrath of God upon the United States and Israel.
There is also a warning for those Muslim countries, which witnessed all
these as a silent spectator. What had earlier been done to the innocent
people of Iraq, Chechnya, and Bosnia? Only one conclusion could be derived
from the indifference of the United States and the West to these acts of
terror and the patronage of the tyrants by these powers that America is an
anti-Islamic power and it is patronizing the anti-Islamic forces. Its
friendship with the Muslim countries is just a show, rather deceit. By
enticing or intimidating these countries, the United States is forcing
them to play a role of its choice. Put a glance all around and you will
see that the slaves of the United States are either rulers or enemies [of
Muslims].
The US has no friends, nor does it want to keep any because the
prerequisite of friendship is to come to the level of the friend or
consider him at par with you. America does not want to see anyone equal to
it. It expects slavery from others. Therefore, other countries are either
its slaves or subordinates. However, our case is different. We have
pledged slavery to God Almighty alone and after this pledge there is no
possibility to become the slave of someone else. If we do that, it will be
disregardful to both our Sustainer and his fellow beings. Most of the
world nations upholding their freedom are the religious ones, which are
the enemies of United States, or the latter itself considers them as its
enemies. Or
The countries, which do not agree to become its slaves, such as China,
Iran, Libya, Cuba, Syria, and the former Russia [as received]. Whoever
committed the act of 11 September are not the friends of the American
people. I have already said that we are against the American system, not
against its people, whereas in these attacks, the common American people
have been killed. According to my information, the death toll is much
higher than what the US government has stated. But the Bush administration
does not want the panic to spread. The United States should try to trace
the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part
of the US system, but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working
for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a
century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own
civilization, nation, country, or ideology could survive. They can be any
one, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia. In the US itself,
there are dozens of well-organized and well-equipped groups, which are
capable of causing a large-scale destruction. Then you cannot forget the
American Jews, who are annoyed with President Bush ever since the
elections in Florida and want to avenge him. Then there are intelligence
agencies in the US, which require billions of dollars worth of funds from
the Congress and the government every year. This [funding issue] was not a
big problem till the existence of the former Soviet Union but after that
the budget of these agencies has been in danger. They needed an enemy. So,
they first started propaganda against Usamah and Taleban and then this
incident happened. You see, the Bush administration approved a budget of
40bn dollars. Where will this huge amount go? It will be provided to the
same agencies, which need huge funds and want to exert their importance.
Now they will spend the money for their expansion and for increasing their
importance. I will give you an example. Drug smugglers from all over the
world are in contact with the US secret agencies. These agencies do not
want to eradicate narcotics cultivation and trafficking because their
importance will be diminished. The people in the US Drug Enforcement
Department are encouraging drug trade so that they could show performance
and get millions of dollars worth of budget. General Noriega was made a
drug baron by the CIA and, in need, he was made a scapegoat. In the same
way, whether it is President Bush or any other US president, they cannot
bring Israel to justice for its human rights abuses or to hold it
accountable for such crimes. What is this? Is it not that there exists a
government within the government in the United Sates? That secret
government must be asked as to who made the attacks.
Ummat: A number of world countries have joined the call of the United
States for launching an attack on Afghanistan. These also include a number
of Muslim countries. Will Al-Qaidah declare a jihad against these
countries as well?
Usamah: I must say that my duty is just to awaken the Muslims; to tell
them as to what is good for them and what is not. What does Islam says and
what the enemies of Islam want? Al-Qaidah was set up to wage a jihad
against infidelity, particularly to encounter the onslaught of the infidel
countries against the Islamic states. Jihad is the sixth undeclared
element of Islam. [The first five being the basic holy words of Islam,
prayers, fast, pilgrimage to Mecca, and giving alms] Every anti-Islamic
person is afraid of it. Al-Qaidah wants to keep this element alive and
active and make it part of the daily life of the Muslims. It wants to give
it the status of worship. We are not against any Islamic country nor we
consider a war against an Islamic country as jihad. We are in favour of
armed jihad only against those infidel countries, which are killing
innocent Muslim men, women, and children just because they are Muslims.
Supporting the US act is the need of some Muslim countries and the
compulsion of others. However, they should think as to what will remain of
their religious and moral position if they support the attack of the
Christians and the Jews on a Muslim country like Afghanistan. The orders
of Islamic shariah [jurisprudence] for such individuals, organizations,
and countries are clear and all the scholars of the Muslim brotherhood are
unanimous on them. We will do the same, which is being ordered by the Amir
ol-Momenin [the commander of the faithful] Mola Omar and the Islamic
scholars. The hearts of the people of Muslim countries are beating with
the call of jihad. We are grateful to them.
Ummat: The losses caused in the attacks in New York and Washington have
proved that giving an economic blow to the US is not too difficult. US
experts admit that a few more such attacks can bring down the American
economy. Why is al-Qaidah not targeting their economic pillars?
Usamah: I have already said that we are not hostile to the United States.
We are against the system, which makes other nations slaves of the United
States, or forces them to mortgage their political and economic freedom.
This system is totally in control of the American Jews, whose first
priority is Israel, not the United States. It is simply that the American
people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced to live
according to the principles and laws laid by them. So, the punishment
should reach Israel. In fact, it is Israel, which is giving a blood bath
to innocent Muslims and the US is not uttering a single word.
Ummat: Why is harm not caused to the enemies of Islam through other means,
apart from the armed struggle? For instance, inciting the Muslims to
boycott Western products, banks, shipping lines, and TV channels.
Usamah: The first thing is that Western products could only be boycotted
when the Muslim fraternity is fully awakened and organized. Secondly, the
Muslim companies should become self-sufficient in producing goods equal to
the products of Western companies. Economic boycott of the West is not
possible unless economic self-sufficiency is attained and substitute
products are brought out. You see that wealth is scattered all across the
Muslim world but not a single TV channel has been acquired which can
preach Islamic injunctions according to modern requirements and attain an
international influence. Muslim traders and philanthropists should make it
a point that if the weapon of public opinion is to be used, it is to be
kept in the hand. Todays world is of public opinion and the fates of
nations are determined through its pressure. Once the tools for building
public opinion are obtained, everything that you asked for can be done.
Ummat: The entire propaganda about your struggle has so far been made by
the Western media. But no information is being received from your sources
about the network of Al-Qaidah and its jihadi successes. Would you
comment?
Usamah: In fact, the Western media is left with nothing else. It has no
other theme to survive for a long time. Then we have many other things to
do. The struggle for jihad and the successes are for the sake of Allah and
not to annoy His bondsmen. Our silence is our real propaganda. Rejections,
explanations, or corrigendum only waste your time and through them, the
enemy wants you to engage in things which are not of use to you. These
things are pulling you away from your cause. The Western media is
unleashing such a baseless propaganda, which make us surprise but it
reflects on what is in their hearts and gradually they themselves become
captive of this propaganda. They become afraid of it and begin to cause
harm to themselves. Terror is the most dreaded weapon in modern age and
the Western media is mercilessly using it against its own people. It can
add fear and helplessness in the psyche of the people of Europe and the
United States. It means that what the enemies of the United States cannot
do, its media is doing that. You can understand as to what will be the
performance of the nation in a war, which suffers from fear and
helplessness.
Ummat: What will the impact of the freeze of al-Qa’idah accounts by the
US?
Usamah: God opens up ways for those who work for Him. Freezing of accounts
will not make any difference for Al-Qaidah or other jihad groups. With the
grace of Allah, al-Qaidah has more than three such alternative financial
system, which are all separate and totally independent from each other.
This system is operating under the patronage of those who love jihad. What
to say of the United States, even the combined world cannot budge these
people from their path. These people are not in hundreds but in thousands
and millions. Al-Qaidah comprises of such modern educated youths who are
aware of the cracks inside the Western financial system as they are aware
of the lines in their hands. These are the very flaws of the Western
fiscal system, which are becoming a noose for it and this system could not
recuperate in spite of the passage of so many days.
Ummat: Are there other safe areas other than Afghanistan, where you can
continue jihad?
Usamah: There are areas in all parts of the world where strong jihadi
forces are present, from Indonesia to Algeria, from Kabul to Chechnya,
from Bosnia to Sudan, and from Burma to Kashmir. Then it is not the
problem of my person. I am helpless fellowman of God, constantly in the
fear of my accountability before God. It is not the question of Usamah but
of Islam and, in Islam too, of jihad. Thanks to God, those waging a jihad
can walk today with their heads raised. Jihad was still present when there
was no Usamah and it will remain as such even when Usamah is no longer
there. Allah opens up ways and creates loves in the hearts of people for
those who walk on the path of Allah with their lives, property, and
children. Believe it, through jihad, a man gets everything he desires. And
the biggest desire of a Muslim is the after life. Martyrdom is the
shortest way of attaining an eternal life.
Ummat: What do you say about the Pakistan government policy on Afghanistan
attack?
Usamah: We are thankful to the Momin and valiant people of Pakistan who
erected a blockade in front of the wrong forces and stood in the first
file of battle. Pakistan is a great hope for the Islamic brotherhood. Its
people are awakened, organized, and rich in the spirit of faith. They
backed Afghanistan in its war against the Soviet Union and extended every
help to the mojahedin and the Afghan people. Then these are very
Pakistanis who are standing shoulder by shoulder with the Taleban. If such
people emerge in just two countries, the domination of the West will
diminish in a matter of days. Our hearts beat with Pakistan and, God
forbid, if a difficult time comes we will protect it with our blood.
Pakistan is sacred for us like a place of worship. We are the people of
jihad and fighting for the defence of Pakistan is the best of all jihads
to us. It does not matter for us as to who rules Pakistan. The important
thing is that the spirit of jihad is alive and stronger in the hearts of
the Pakistani people.
Source: Karachi Ummat in Urdu 28 Sep 01 pp1, 7
Source: BBC Monitoring Service
[This message has been edited by Ibrahim (edited October 11, 2001).]
A Muslim child is programmed that there is no God but Allah.
For many of such growing up children the most divine cause becomes the creation of a non believers free world, that is a world of Muslims, and further a world of true Muslims.
Many of them grow up in Gaddaffi, Khomeiny or Osama, killing becomes a paradise status, and they go on killing non Muslims as well as Muslims by faith, they consider as not true Muslims. They kill people for religious reasons and for political reasons, and every time hide themselves behind Islam.
Is there no possibility in Islam to stop this type of bloodshed?
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Originally posted by anand:
**The ideology is faulty.
A Muslim child is programmed that there is no God but Allah.
For many of such growing up children the most divine cause becomes the creation of a non believers free world, that is a world of Muslims, and further a world of true Muslims.
Many of them grow up in Gaddaffi, Khomeiny or Osama, killing becomes a paradise status, and they go on killing non Muslims as well as Muslims by faith, they consider as not true Muslims. They kill people for religious reasons and for political reasons, and every time hide themselves behind Islam.
Is there no possibility in Islam to stop this type of bloodshed?
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Stop this thing about Khumaini ok! I swear you use his name one more I will really beat the Sh*t out of You! I dont care if I get banned or not but I will not hear one word against a geart man who brought back islam to so many people!!