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whats with all the ‘zaat’ threads…
my ancestors were buddhist.
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Dear shweetdreams, please understand the question! This is not about "your ethnicity" rather about the "origin of your ethnicity" (ethnogenises) and "origin of your mother-tongue", sort of more academic question than mere query about your ethnic background.
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Do you think it is the best place to ask it though?
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The title of this forum is "Society, Culture, and Literature". Society in most prevalent of its usage implies a "socio-biological" construction. So race and ethnicity are at the base of society and hence the topic initiated belongs here.
Do you need a more mathemtical justification?
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well wwe can trace our ethinicity back to the arabs, lekin sus mayn bhee aik lammbee debat karnee paray gee.
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Well i'd be happy if someone wud educate me on wot is the origin of my family's mother-tongues :D My dad's side is punjabi...they r from lahore, but i duno wot was going on before the war hmm...n mum's side is kashmiri...but they have been in lahore for decades too...my mum was born there (lahore)...my nani was born in srinager...and lol, my mum says that her dad is kashmiri but he's not from kashmir...that is sooo confusing...i mean both my nana n nani were butt...so that definately makes them kashmiri rite? And where do punjabis from lahore originate from, or does it vary for every familiy? I guess my mother tongues originally were kashmiri and punjabi then.
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In Malakand Division of NWFP, there is a place called "Butt-Khela". Now I don't know whether the similraity with Butt is coincidental or logical but some histographers have conjectured that it was from this place that Butt migrated to Kashmir..........when? that I don't know precisely but probably in 12th or 13th Century. It is however more correct that the first Muslim ruler of Kashmir i.e. Shah Mir migrated from Swat.
If we look at the etmological construction of "Butt-Khela" then the above explanation seems logical because Khel means "clan" and "Butt-Khel" means "Butt-Clan". There are other village-names like this in NWFP like "Zara Khela" meaning "Thousand clans", "Khwaza Khela" etc.
As for Pahari, it is probably a Dardic language. Did it originate in Kashmir or somewhere else is a question I don't know the answer of.
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Ok so originally Butts were from the NWFP region, and at some point migrated to Kashmir...thanks for the info :)
Wot's Pahari, the Kashmiri language? Also, since there r a lot of Pathans in the NWFP region (from wot i hear), is there any evidence that Pathans and Kashmiris r from the same origin, i.e. Afghani rite?
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KRD, nothing can be said for sure because all this need extensive archeological, anthropological, linguistic, etc. reasearch to be affirmed but names like Butt-Khela, Buttagram, Kalabut, etc., which are names of places in NWFP, seem suggestive.
For history of Kashmir, you should read a book titled "Raj Tarangani". You definitely would find something about Butts in that book.
As for ethnogenisis of Kashmiris and Pashtuns, in the past, they have claimed descent from Isrealites but this theory now stands discredited on the basis of modern research. There is at least one genetic study also which has disproved any gene-similarity between Pashtuns/Kashmiris and Isrealites.
Pashtuns speak Pashto. The one and half-century languistic research involving such world-renown linguists as James Darmister, Wilhem Greigar, George Morgenstierne, Mujawar Ahmad Zyar, etc. has established Pashto to be an East Iranian language that evolved from a Saka dialect spoken north of Hindukush and sharing a common origin with Avesta, the language of Zorostrian script. Kashmiris on the other hand speak Pahari, a language that is neither Iranian nor Indic but rather belongs to a third subfamily of Indo-Iranian group of Aryan languages calles Dardic. So on the basis of claims alone, common origin cannot be ascribed to Pashtuns and Kashmirirs with certainty.
However, it is a fact that Dardic people took a part in the ethnogenisis of Pashtuns (Yuri V. Gangkovsky: People of Pakistan). Even today Dardic communities like Pashais, Kohistanis, Nuristanis etc. are fastly being assimilated into Pashtun ethnicity. In the past, Pashtuns have migrated to Kashmir and have taken part in the formation of Kashmiri ethnicity. During 13th and 14th Centuries, a Pashtun tribe ( of which Swatis of Hazara are the modern descendents) with base in the present Kunar-Laghman province of Afghanistan ruled an area stretching from Panjsher to Kashmir. During this period, a lot of people migrated from Swat to Kashmir, including Shah Mir, the first Muslim ruler of Kashmir.
Pashtuns and Dards have lived in close proximity to each other. The Greek historian and geographer, Herodutus mentions this in his description of the eastern provinces of Aheamenian Empire bracketing Dardic and Gandari people together.
Pahari is a Dardic language. Other languages in this group are Kuwar, Shina, Kohistani, etc. spoken in Kohistan, Gilgit, Chitral, etc. These are languages spoken in the Northern Areas of Pakistan. And the speakers of these languages are called Dards.
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ok my mother tongue balti...has origins in tibetan languages...after the introduction of islam pure balti and ladakhi language was influenced by persian and later urdu words.
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But do we even have any ethnolingual experts or people with any knowledge about it on these forums?
You should be lucky if they can even say abcd right! 
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Ahh so it means if i let lose a snake on you, you wouldn’t hurt it in pursuit of buddist peace. 
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Pahari is very close to what kashmiris speak (many speak urdu from what I have seen instead of “kashmiri”) and is spoken in northern punjab potohar region. See the thing is that today’s punjab should’ve atleast been three provinces (north, central, and southern seraiki) but it hasn’t happen (or also n. balochistan should be a separate province).
Anyway, something interesting :Dthat in indian languages, it lists a language called bihari but I never have (does anyone here has??) ever heard this “biharis” but rather all biharis talking in urdu?
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tum itne dumb kyun ho?
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You said you were budhist so just wanted to know if you still have any budhist feelings left over from generations?
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i do.
snake is fine as long as i dont see your face:D
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LastOfTheDinosaurs: Thanks a lot for the detailed response...and i'll be sure to look out for "Raj Tarangani" :)
Blitzkrieg: Thanks...I think wot most Kashmiris speak sounds a lot more like, some sort of Punjabi rather than Urdu though...and i never heard of "biharis" either, but then again i'm just starting to learn about our culture :)
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Language: Urdu, from Turkish 'Ordu' meaning army or tent and the base for English word 'Horde'. Everyone should know the rest.
Ethnicity: 'Hindustani' from Lucknow, family, a mixture of various invaders and locals. Allah knows best. All I know is that I am Muslim.
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I am Pakhtun..my fathers side is MOHMAND from KAMA NENGARHAR AFGHANISTAN and my mothers side is URMAR in NWFP. IN MOHMAND IM NAZAR KHEL AND IN URMAR IM WASAL KHEL. MIGHT BE BARKI TOO BECAUSE IN MY MOTHERS VILLAGE THERE ARE ALOT OF PEOPLE WITH NAMES LIKE FAZLEY RABI BARKI. WE ARE PASHTUNS.