do you understand what posession means? A person can do whatever they want with their own posessions, i.e. set fire to them if they feel like it. Are you saying that Iranian men can do that with regards to women? If not, then why make such statements?
As a wife of a muslim man, she had no rights
In fact many muslim women own property and businesses so that's another misleading statement.
As a wife of a muslim man, she had no rights and being beaten almost everyday was part of the culture and nobody raised an eyebrow or thought anything of it.
She might have been beaten everyday, but it has nothing to do with her rights as wife of a muslim man, unless you can prove otherwise. Can you prove that wives should be beaten everyday as part of their culture in Iran or anywhere else?
If it's true of course, then all the people you see here have mothers who are being thrashed on a daily basis. Is that what you are trying to say?
NYA, actually, noone is really interested in this case now. The parents of the princess herself have been quoted as saying that if shes happy, they are ok with it. Noone is flaunting the issue but the US media and the princess herself. They made it a point to display her across the board in an attempt to unfairly demonize Islamic/eastern culture by having her make rounds of talk shows, and even making a movie of it within a couple of months. How desperate are they for ratings.
As mentioned in another thread, why hasnt there been a Diana-Dodi movie yet:)
You selectively took some sentences from my post and disregarded the ones u couldn't refute.
I very clearly gave u the reasons why i think women are pocessions, I am sure u can read. Your asking the same questions again again doesn't change anything. Read my post again.
Akif, because Dodi was an international playboy in line with rich Arab culture, so there’s no need to make a movie on him. Any way, if his dad had objected to his relationship with a crazy white bimbo, that would have made a good story, but that was not the case.
Secondly, the mere fact that her parents said that they are OK with it shows a mindset of perverse deepdown vacillation of their own dogma. Who the hell cares if they are happy or not? The question to ask here is whether she is happy or not, and she seems to be happy, so that’s good. If things were so hunky-dory for her, she would not have run out the way she did. And by the way, having someone on Oprah does not mean “national” fascination. I have yet to see anything about this incidence in major media.
NYA.. the girl herself cares (or not) about what her parents think, since she has quoted her family as the reason why she cant be sent back.
As far as her happiness goes, I said it a long time ago...more power to her. If she feels happy hanging upside down by a helicopter, its her choice. But then she should stop publicizing the issue.
What we know regarding this case is limited to what we have seen on Oprah, and in the NBC movie. And the text for both was provided by the girl herself. And even with such a partial script, it was impossible to find any suppressive behavior. She belonged to an extremely liberal family. There was no indication she was being forced into a marriage. She merely assumed it that she 'would be'.
Anyway...I guess she finally got her wish of being able to wear short skirts, and insert the word 'like' 10 times in every sentence. Shes like, a like, certified american, like underage teenager now you know:)
that says it all. Years of suppression (or born into one) can leave people with a lot of scars and assumptions come naturally. How many Gulf Arab girls will dare form open relationships with non-Arabs, including Pakistanis? I have an Iraqi (American) friend dating a Mormon Guy, and she is going through hell from the entire Arab population of DC area, including the ones who are 2nd generation Arabs. It ain’t as black and white as it may appear. So if she is publicizing the issue, it is good in a way, as it needs to be talked about. Because she is privileged and resourceful and that her story has attracted that much attention, may be it will open the door for others who might not be as fortunate. In terms of Oprah taking a crackpot at Islam, those who watch her show can’t even tell their ass from their elbows, so I wont be that concerned.
What’s wrong with wearing mini-skirts or speaking like a teeny booper? So, after all this, it boils down to the way she wishes to dress up or talk? I would have thought there was more to this than that.
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You selectively took some sentences from my post and disregarded the ones u couldn't refute.
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Rani, first learn to be responsible for what you say. I quoted you directly, I didn't quote Mickey Mouse. You are still insisting that women are posessions of a man in muslim countries. If that is true, then that means men can chop them up and serve them for Sunday lunch. Is that what you are saying?
As for the part about 'refuting' the rest of your post, why should I feel the need? You yourself, still haven't admitted that you are throwing around wild accusations which you cannot support. If you want me to tackle other issues, then first apologise for your misleading statements. You don't have to be so childish about this, when you make a mistake, assuming it was a mistake, you should recognise this fact.
When our Beloved Nabee sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam - stood on the plain of
Arafat and gave his farewell speech he said to the Ummah, "Treat your women
kindly!" History records that in Europe in the same year, at the same time
that Islam was saying this, the Christian clergy were arguing whether a
women was a human or an animal! Those clergymen are the ancestors of the
Kuffar that now want to 'liberate' you.
Cat-woman, why did he feel the need to say so? And what’s that with “your” women? You mean, every one is supposed to have a bunch of women?
In any event, i hope that he meant to say "all" and not just "your" because that makes women sound like a possession. and was this address only to Men? or both?
Rani, would you like to have 4 husbands? Are you worth it?
I would take my time out to explain you what are the virtues behind having 4 wives and not having 4 husbands, but I think you will still continue your hate-rage against the Muslims, you hindu brahmin!
PS: Look at it this way, atleast those 4 women get pregnant from a legal HUSBAND and someone who can take care of their kids. If you look at the society you are supporting, it does not work that way, man makes some women pregnants and he is off to another one making babies and than those babies are homeless, fatherless…yeah that is the society you are trying to support but you your self is not aware of the reality that exists in the filth that you are so eager to promote.
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You selectively took some sentences from my post and disregarded the ones u couldn't refute.
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Rani, first learn to be responsible for what you say. I quoted you directly, I didn't quote Mickey Mouse. You are still insisting that women are posessions of a man in muslim countries. If that is true, then that means men can chop them up and serve them for Sunday lunch. Is that what you are saying?
Denying an adult right to travel, right to hold passport without permission, right to their own children if their is a divorce and ability to divorce women by uttering few words and denying them the same rights amounts to being treated ike a pocession. Just wondering is this is beyond your understanding u are so used to controling and ruling women that u cannot even see this..
As for the part about 'refuting' the rest of your post, why should I feel the need? You yourself, still haven't admitted that you are throwing around wild accusations which you cannot support. If you want me to tackle other issues, then first apologise for your misleading statements. You don't have to be so childish about this, when you make a mistake, assuming it was a mistake, you should recognise this fact.
Most of what i said are the laws practiced in the muslim countries..r u trying to tell me that women can also keep four husbands at given time and i was wrong in pointing out that only men can have four wives at a given time or women can also divorce their husband by saying talaq talaq three time. I know u will never address these punitive inequalities.
Change all this and give women equal rights instead of trying to hide the facts.
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Originally posted by NYAhmadi:
**>>>"Treat your women
kindly!" <<<
Cat-woman, why did he feel the need to say so? And what’s that with “your” women? You mean, every one is supposed to have a bunch of women?
In any event, i hope that he meant to say "all" and not just "your" because that makes women sound like a possession. and was this address only to Men? or both?**
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NYA, I can't believe you're saying this. I think you know exactly what point I was trying to put across. I don't see the point of taking out different interpretations! Obviously it means women in general.
Cat-woman, actually, it was your following statement that I found a little out of line.
History records that in Europe in the same year, at the same time
that Islam was saying this, the Christian clergy were arguing whether a
women was a human or an animal! Those clergymen are the ancestors of the
Kuffar that now want to 'liberate' you. <<<<
Do you have any clue how significantly distorted the above view is? (and by the way, I am not a big fan of Christianity either) I guess not. If ancestry is what someone should based the current decisions on, do you know who the ancestors of Prophet Mohammad were? Are you saying that we should ignore his teaching because his ancestors were pagan who buried their daughters alive? I guess you are not saying that either. But one can misinterpret a lot of things given the lack of effort one puts into writing down their thoughts.
Only people who won't buy it are those who are stupid, illogical, conceited, self-praised, self-declared-human-rights-leaders, filthy and sick minded individuals who have nothing else to do but to promote hate rather than logical and reasonable thought good for everyone. And you happen to blend into all of them. Good luck.
*V~V~V*He came, He saw, He conquered*V~V~V*
----*High Priest-OF-Painful Truth*----
"Nay! We hurl truth against falsehood, so it destroys it: and behold, falsehood is vanquished..."Quran, al-Furqaan 25:33 ]
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I'm going round to a friend's house later on for a meal. We are having muslim wife biryani. The meat is well tenderised after her daily beatings but he's a bit stuck on how much garam masala to use. Any tips would be appreciated.
I'm going round to a friend's house later on for a meal. We are having muslim wife biryani. The meat is well tenderised after her daily beatings but he's a bit stuck on how much garam masala to use. Any tips would be appreciated.**
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U couldn't answer my qestions therefore trying to make a futile attempt to hide behind the pun. This is not even funny, very gross and sickening..
Why do you assume I'm joking Rani? After all, I am acting according to your own definition in this statement:
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According to the Iranian society and laws she was a pocession of her husband. As a wife of a muslim man, she had no rights and being beaten almost everyday was part of the culture and nobody raised an eyebrow or thought anything of it.
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Which you still haven't retracted.
If your statement is true, then why should the scenario of me and my friend eating his wife (after she has been well pulverised) seem like a joke to you?
You could always apologise for your remarks of course, and then I might have to answer your modified questions. It's up to you.