Does anyone remember which countries or entities opposed US military ops in Bosnia? The US military actions which saved countless lives..
I would really like to see a list of that.
That was a preemptive strike as well. As I recall, France was refusing to allow it's troops into the region.
yep diff countries had their own political agendas that time, just like they have this time, its too simplistic to think that they are sitting at some higher moral ground.
I bet if push comes to shove, and/or their own interests have been protected they would not care one bit.
also I dont recall anyone looking at countries like greece and russia as some great defenders of peace when they opposed the military action in Bosnia..or am i wrong here..
If you look at the 1990's in particular. There is no other country in the world that can provide the muscle and the dollars to help right international wrongs. What is laughable is that while it is ok for others (lesser players) to demand a voice and site national interests as their decision making tools in their alignment with/against the US policies. Their insistence that they deserve such a voice, considering their track records and lack of capabilities is quite ironic.
Yep, well everyone has to watch out for their own interests but when it is paraded by them as some altruistic stance its simply laughable.
Same goes for track records and all, track record and lack of capabilities are important. Partially the reason why I also think that the security council should not be changed, but thats a diff can of worms.
That indeed is a different can of worms.
Until the Europeans, Chinese, Russians can start providing for and policing their regions/world as much as the US in absolute terms, they need to take their mediocrity with a grain of salt.
Over the course of the next twenty years, the other EU countries, if including Russia will Dwarf the Benelux , France, Germany in GDP. Their military importance will gain greater primacy than that of the traditional dancing girls in Berlin and Paris. It is this, their uselessness pitted against some pie-in-the-sky historical legacy that is eating them.
still no list?
according to one website
"the majors powers in the UN, chiefly the Americans, British, French, and Soviets, could not reach consensus of action except to agree that none wanted to send any ground troops to the region."
another quote
"This war is making people demonstrate against the U.S. around the world like never before."
:)
Aha...I am sure it was up to Americans to clean up the European mess. If it wasn't for Holbrooke and Wes Clarke in the late 90's. Kosovo would have been a disaster too, if left to the french.
"In the UN Security Council, Russia and China would have vetoed the bombing in the UN Security Council. The west therefore never put the matter to the vote. The bombing campaign therefore contravened the terms of the UN Charter.
The deal that ended the bombing was neonetheless endorsed by the UN Security Council."
That is interesting aAisha. The Russians and the chinese would have vetoed the resolution if it went to the security council and the west went in without the needed politicized resolution....Hmmm.. Precendents aplenty.
Heres a list
China
Greece
Russia
Scotland :)
American Public
so of the list atleast 2 countries are opposing this action too, china and russia. greece means zilch either way..
so just because there is opposition, does it mean that there is no justification?
Exactamundo Fraudiya...Policy is not based on focus groups and exit polls...
lets look at this whole thing from a hypothetical point of view of
a. iraq being a non muslim country
b. US being a muslim country
and US was going to remove an evil dictator from iraq.. whar would be the muslim public's point of view?
We all agree that removing Saddam is thr right and moral thing to do..
and last i read.. the islamic khilafat is supposed to be a moral state.. i.e. doing things because they are the right things to do rather than based on public view point.
I personally think this mess should have been cleared up by muslim countries, deal with internal issues internally.. dont hang dirty laundry in public.
as the muslim countries and its residents are a bunch of yellow belly and no spine people.. they did not do their duty of removing a tyrant from power.
now external people are taking matters into their own hands.. based on their own self preservation.. but still doing the right thing.. the same yellow belly muslims are complaining.
i personally think we should send a crack team of SAS, Navy Seals, Indian, Pakistani and Israeli commandos... and take out Saddam and his Revolutionary command council..
If sending troops into war without UN approval is against international law.. why not in same light break the same intenational law only slightly and send in the crack team and only take out the Heads.
a lot less loss of life on either side..
If US in that case provided the same amunt of aid to the infidel world, got terrorism in return and Iraq was in disregard for every single agreement it had signed on to, then sure.
I wonder what the opinion of WA posters would have been on that instance of American military action?
Chaltahai, you forget to mention India which if I recall is against the current Iraq war. An oversight on your behalf, I'm sure. :)
Their were many countries in Europe who also opposed the Kosovo war by NATO. It is is peculiar that Muslims are now aligned with the socialists in protecting Iraq.
FYI, I oppose the Iraq war, but for entirely different reasons then the knee jerk protestors. I just don't feel it's the right time.
This whole thread just sort of sums it up. If you (as a world leader) are opposed to an action, and the action goes well, you can always volunteer troops for a "peacekeeping" force and you can say that you have done your part. A few years later even the most well informed at Gupshup will have a hard time remembering that you were just plain wrong, wrong, wrong.
On the other hand if something goes very badly, you can always wag your finger and give a stern I told you so.
In the world of lead, follow or get out of the way, there is also, "maintain plausable deniability, you can always jump on the bandwagon later if the wagon doesn't completely fall off the cliff".
Not exactly the things that "Profiles in Courage" are made of.....