Is that a good thing? Quite aside from any consequences for Afghanistan or its people, that struggle forced Pakistan and Iran to be burdened with a very large number of Afghan refugees and drove a huge wedge between Pakistan and Iran. .
On the flip side the Northern drug lords are hands in gloves with India... Chosing lesser of the two evils I put Pashtoons in Kabul any time.
That's true. But I don't see any Afghan faction in the past 30 years that's actually trying to look for a solution rather than just power and their own vision of the country, be that vision looting or puritanical.
Do you think 10 years of soviet rule made a dent or 7 years of US intervention compelled an average afghan to think differently... Unless Afghans come togther regardless of their ethenic background there is no solution.. Foreign powers will only look after their interests... US supported pashtoons during soviet invasion now its supporting the Northern drug lords.... Regan invited mujhadeen to the white house and called em soldiers of freedom, Clinton showered them with cruise missiles.
P.S I had to jump in this thread because of historical link beween Lionheart and Ayyubi :)
^ Burqa, We have a jokes forum, and there are quite a few history forums ....
This is tribal uncouthness that allows to day dream and underestimate the opponents. In modern warfare, asymmetric or not, he who controls the air, controls every thing.
The day primitive tribes of Afghanistan acquire air superiority, you will be considered correct. Until then, it will be @rse wooping of Afghani tribals around five times a day (or more).
However if you want to make up your version of Afghan history, then be my guest.
This is tribal uncouthness that allows to day dream and underestimate the opponents. In modern warfare, asymmetric or not, he who controls the air, controls every thing.
The day primitive tribes of Afghanistan acquire air superiority, you will be considered correct. Until then, it will be @rse wooping of Afghani tribals around five times a day (or more).
However if you want to make up your version of Afghan history, then be my guest.
Burqa, may be you should get out more often... there are quite a few theatres where US had air superiority.. but then living in burqa won't get you too far...
Burqa thats why I said you should get out more often.... Air superiority alone has never achieved any objectives in an asymmetric warfare... As a matter of fact in an inhospitable and unforgiving terrain like the mountains of Afghanistan or jungles of Vietnam/N. Korea did not bring any success dispite US having overwhelming air supperiority. Nor did the jewish state achieved its objectives against Hizbullah nor did the red army against rag tag Afghan mujhadeen.
Seven years and counting want to bet in the end US will give it a spin and will be out of Afghanistan, like its cronies are talking about right now??? According to the western media Talib/Pashtoons are gaining more and more control of Afghanistan every day, that should speak volumes.
The sole reason US has lasted that long in Afghanistan is because of the drug pushers from the north. Without their support US would do what it has done all along, fire few cruise missiles and call it a success.
The fact that they are uniting around the Durand line is their acceptance of the will of their masters.... (Durrand line by the way is named after one the masters. Sir Mortimor Durrand, the foriegn secratory of the British Indian Government) ... But USA is not happy with that and maybe NWFP will become independant with parts of Balochistan and Sindh, cos lets face it, the army will reap what it has sown [and subsequently turned a blind eye into like a good puppy of America that it is]) and if we for arguments sake call these new borders John and Tony,. Soon the headline will be army part takes in joint offensive around John Line..
I mean seriously where is the honor and the backbone of the Pakistani army??? I thought the army was suppose to make a men out of boys, but it only produces slaves out of men
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What's new is the supportive tone about the Pakistan Army being made by the Afghans. Could be a continuation of the turn in relations that seems to have begun with Zardai and Karzai's chuminess.
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Is this still the pakistani naive concept of politics.
Then let this fact be known clear.
There is no such thing as enemies and friends in politics. Only interests and conflicts. Sadly Pakistani government is selling its own interests and killing its own self to gain "friends".. It is bit like the government is run by children and the army has no will to take a stand after it was dragged through the mud politically by Musharraf
support whoever you want but tribal pakhtoons are innocent pawns
Innocent pawns at the hands of the taliban and jihadi terrorists, both foreign and local. Through years of indoctrination from tribal "culture", "islamic" extremisim and lack of education, they have been so desensitized to violence that they sit around and smile during public executions by the taliban.
That mentality needs to be defeated or we will continue to see videos of young 8 year old boys capturing and beaheding pakistani soldiers.