Since I have started viewing this web site, I see both of you writing on Sunnism and Shiaism and other controversial issues. I have no hesitation to admit the fact that both of you and some other brothers, seem to me well educated and learned and GOOD MUSLIMS. The qouatations and refrences of your writngs it self speaks about the knowledge and your hard work on it.
But my brothers let me tell you how I personally feel about all these. I think you are among those muslim which I called STRONGLY BUT WRONGLY MOTIVATED MUSLIMS. Do you really think that with all these knowledge and information, you are doing some thing which will make Allah and his Rasool (SAW) happy? Do you believe that all these articles against Sunni, Shiats and other sect of Muslim, will bring any thing good to this Umma which already going down hill.
Why are you wasting your time on this kinds of issues which are doing nothing but craeting distances,hatered and hegemony among Muslims. Why don’t you utilize your knowledge and efforts to write some thing more important for the Umma at this time. Some thing which can bring us closer as an Ummah, some thing which can make us proud of Islam. Our Umma is alraedy divided into peices and we are paying prices for it. Please don’t become the part of those forces who are trying very hard to crush us apart.
Please listen to Iqbal,
Firqa bandi he kahin, or kahin zatein hein
Kiya zamane mein panapne ki yehi baatien hein.
[This message has been edited by uicdoc (edited January 27, 1999).]
uicdoc !
I am very happy to see that some of us still has mind and courage to write such a nice article. I was very disappointed with our future as an Umma. But if we have person like you then Insha Allah every thing will be ok.
I also wonder that why Abdulla and Bukhari have not answered this open letter yet which was adressed directly to them. It looks like these people do not like TRUTH. They like controversies and Galam Galoch.
I also have told them to stop such things. They say that Ahmadi people are Kaafir and Non-Muslim. Sunni say shia are kaafir, shia say suuni are kaair. Similarly, all the other sects say that everybody except them is a kaafir.
IN FACT, ISLAM DOESN'T GIVE THE RIGHT TO SAY KAAFIR OR NON-MUSLIM TO A PERSON, BY ANOTHER PERSON.
and brother jewels quoted an hadith saying that a person who calls a kalima go, Kaafir, is a kaafir himself. We Ahmadi believe that anybody who claims to be a muslim is a muslim and we don't have the right to say that a person is kaafir or momin.
This is the ROOT CAUSE of all the problems in PAKITAN. As I have seen that you are intrested in Urdu literature so I am quoting a kata by Ubaid-ullah ALEEM
**Mein Kis Key Naam Likhon Jo Alam Guzar Rahay Hein
*Meray Shehar Jal Rahay Hein, Meray Log Mar Rahey Hein
*Koi Or to NahiN Hey Pus-i-Khanjar Azmai
**Hum he Katal Kar Rahey Hein, Hu he Katal Ho Rahey Hein
*********(BY: UBAID-ULLAH ALEEM MARHOOM)******
KHUDA HAFIZ
MIRZA YASIR
[This message has been edited by mirzayasir (edited January 30, 1999).]
quote:
"I also have told them to stop such things. They say that Ahmadi people are Kaafir and Non-Muslim. Sunni say shia are kaafir, shia say suuni are kaair. Similarly, all the other sects say that everybody except them is a kaafir".
As I and others can clearly see you are telling to stop this by posting two more
topics about Eisa(AS)is dead,like everybody says about your so called nabi(Liar,Evil)you followers are liar too.
[This message has been edited by mazloom (edited January 30, 1999).]
You have said that Hazrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is a liar and Evil (NaAouzabillah). and you said that I want to stop debate about the two important topics.
THIS IS A LIE BECAUSE YESTARDAY I STARTED TWO NEW THREADS AND THERE IS NO REPLY TO THOSE THREADS. IF I WANT TO STOP THIS DISCUSSION THEN WHY SHOULD I START A NEW THREAD. You should note that in the religious section Ahmadi people (Jewel of....) have started more threads than the non-Ahmadi people. This clearly proves that you people don't have any answer to those and now you have started threads about kufar of Ahmadies.
I don't want to continue this debate about kufar in this thread because brother uicdoc started this thread mainly for shia and suni debate. IF YOU WANT TO SAY SOMETHING THEN SAY IT IN THE THREAD "Qadianis are kafir".
Fatah.
Thanks for kind words. I write what ever I feel. I am also not disappointed with the future. In the word os Faiz Ahmed Faiz I can say
Dil Naa Umeed to Nahi, Nakam hi to he
Lambi he gham ki shaam, magar shaam he to he
Mirza Yasir and mazloom
You have started same discussion again in this pagge which I hate to dicuss about.
I have a very clear cut concept about Muslim.
Any body who says that he/she believes in Allah as a unity and Muhammad (SAW) as a Last prophtet and Rasool is a Muslim.
If you believe that with your heart, u are a muslim, do not listen or bother answering what other says.
I do not even care if some body does not answer my questions. My aim is to convey this message to them and to every body.
Josh Malih Abadi ka ek sher arz he
Un ko jo kam he wo ahl-e-siyasat janien
Mera pegham Mohabbat he, jahan tuk punhche
[This message has been edited by uicdoc (edited January 30, 1999).]