Only if Peace prevails

[hanibal]

Since their independence, India and Pakistan are known as enemies, this has provided hell of boom to the arms and ammunition industry of Russia, USA and China in particular, these three countries has developed over the time and masses in India and Pakistan are still looking forward to move to these countries in order to beg the money back which is given to these countries for fueling the tension between the two neighbors…

Lets be honest, USA or Russia are no friends of India and nor does they want to see the country developing, same goes for Pakistan. 2/3 years there was a show on some news channel where one WHITE guy ( the virtual GOD of Indian and Pakistanies) was saying that if the farmer / common man in the South Asian region gets better life standard with better health facilities, then it means that there will be shortage of basic food such as Rice and Grains in the western world. His comments were based on the fact that, if the common man of these countries develops and had enough money to buy food then the consumption of the main food items shall be more in South Asia then in Ist world. The 2nd dilemma would be, once the necessity of food and shelter has been conquered by these countries then they’ll make advances in other level of pyramid…which is/can be a threat to their ( Western World) interest.

For these reason it is necessary that

1. Both the countries should have enough people in the right places to keep the rivalry alive… and i must say, we have more than enough on both sides of the border

2. Never let any govt. plan to succeed which teaches the people how to fish, most the programs launched in the our countries from the western world are about removing hunger by giving us charity… Please note that most of this charity amount is derived from the amount transferred to their banks by our corrupt officials… If you notice, none of the both countries has any feasible policy to educate masses and to provide them with the opportunities to groom themselves and their countries…

3. Their should be war like situation all the time, this is to make sure that their arms industry shall stay alive… right after Mumbai Attack, both India and Pakistan bought weapons worth Trillions of Dollars from USA only…

We can see that they have so far have achieved all the three… only if we give up our egos and for once and just for once think about the development of our common man on both sides of the border, i am sure we would be rich and prosperous as we were 400 years ago, when these westerners use to come here in search of opportunities..

All we have to do is the following

1. Stop picking at each other, yes there are faults on both sides of the border, but if German and France can be united under European Union then why not India and Pakistan

2. Stop electing or encouraging any politician and/or activity which sell hate and blood… this will have the politicians of the both the countries focused on the core issue, and that is development of the country rather hiding behind the fiction of eliminating its enemy… and few Joshili debates on Tv sets..

I hope by doing these simple steps we would be able to create atmosphere of trust and friendship…

Trust me, if the both India and Pakistan decides to be together ( and i don’t mean re-union) then there is enough hydro/coal-power available for both to last.. the market within the countries is big enough to flourish SME businesses. ( back bone of any economy) enough would be there that no body would sleep out of hunger..

above is one side of story.. however, if we continue to do, what we are doing then death and destruction would be our destiny… we are inching to it, both countries are busy in attacking each other and this is being done with the help of their foreign partner the funniest part of it is, both Pakistan and India are buying weapons from the same supplier…

Choice is ours… we need to make our countries save.. this is the only way forward… its been long time fighting and we have already millions of people living under the poverty line on both sides of the border, with no hope whatsoever to get above the line… lets try to get real, lets for once try to solve our differences or there will be fairy tales about us, that how two nations fought and destroyed each other…and listeners would comment, how fool both nations were

[Faris_Udeen]

Re: Only if Peace prevails

^ absolutely agree with you on this.

I have lately aft described the relationship between these nations as the same as two bald men fighting over a comb.

I pray more decent folk see the sense of this argument and give up thier petty ways.

[hanibal]

Re: Only if Peace prevails

^^ True, but the fool balds don't know that no body would be a winner... everyone will be the loser and then it would be too late... i hope we have not reached the point of no return yet...

[Faris_Udeen]

Re: Only if Peace prevails

^ Dont worry insha-Allh the point of no return will never be reached.... for it is not a point i think it's just a rainbow for us anyway...

Waissay dunya ke jitneh leader athay hain wo andaay hotay hain... aur jiskee nazar hotee hain usko kaam nazar kah keh mardetey hain.

[VoiceOne]

.....Lets be honest, USA or Russia are no friends of India and nor does they want to see the country developing, same goes for Pakistan. ..... 3) Their should be war like situation all the time, this is to make sure that their arms industry shall stay alive...** right after Mumbai Attack, both India and Pakistan bought weapons worth Trillions of Dollars from USA only**...

pretty much agree with all u said except the parts hight lighted.
u left out the "all weather" friend china. China is no lover of islam or pakistan. Remember they built great wall of china to keep the barbarians out, that meant mostly the Bactrians and later the muslims. By supplying arms and lip service over kashmir issues. China's main motive is to keep ind enganged with pak. so as to restrain india's growth, in order that china's ambition of being a top dog of asia comes alive.
Also Trillions of Dollars of arms purchase?
I hope its a typo..neither india nor pakistan has that much $$.

[bittu]

Since their independence, India and Pakistan are known as enemies,

for political reasons we have no trust in each other......but do you know that individual pak citizens are given very warm welcome in india by general people and the indians who have visited pakistan have come back with sweet memories.....

[hanibal]

@VoiceOne

pretty much agree with all u said except the parts hight lighted.
u left out the “all weather” friend china. China is no lover of islam or pakistan. Remember they built great wall of china to keep the barbarians out, that meant mostly the Bactrians and later the muslims. By supplying arms and lip service over kashmir issues. China’s main motive is to keep ind enganged with pak. so as to restrain india’s growth, in order that china’s ambition of being a top dog of asia comes alive.
Also Trillions of Dollars of arms purchase?
I hope its a typo..neither india nor pakistan has that much $$.

On arms purchase please google..

China is regional reality and so is Iran… RUSSIA, USA etc are not part of this region… and India should have close ties with CHINA as well… ignoring regional realities and declaring them enemies or risk or threat and depending on goras and others does not make sense to me…

The Great Chinese wall was built in pre-history times here is brief about it

“The long wall of 10,000 Li (里)”[1]) is a series of stone and earthen fortifications in northern China, built originally to protect the northern borders of the Chinese Empire against intrusions by various nomadic groups such as the Mongols, Turks and the Xiongnu from the north and rebuilt and maintained between the 5th century BC and the 16th century. Since the 5th century BC, several walls have been built that were referred to as the Great Wall. One of the most famous is the wall built between 220–206 BC by the first Emperor of China, Qin Shi Huang. Little of that wall remains; the majority of the existing wall was built during the Ming Dynasty.

[hanibal]

@bittu

for political reasons we have no trust in each other......but do you know that individual pak citizens are given very warm welcome in india by general people and the indians who have visited pakistan have come back with sweet memories.....

We have fought three wars... people of both sides are willing to meet and mingle, but like i said earlier there are more than enough forces/hawks on both sides of the border which do not want peace to prevail.... can you defeat them on your side...?

[Moonshiner]

Hanibal,

Great post and thread. I always enjoy reading your posts, but I will disagree on one thing:

Russia. I believe its a part of our region and a big player. It's influence and geography in Asia is immense and everyone in the region has to live with it as well.

[VoiceOne]

@hanibal

On arms purchase please google..

The Great Chinese wall was built in pre-history times here is brief about it

u did not get my point. What i am saying is chinese culture is xenophobic. As u mentioned it was built & rebuilt to keep foreigners out from bactrians (huns) to mongols (halaku), turks etc. Many of those were muslims, werent they?
I do not need to google the $1trillion arms purchase, it is a bullshyte. Pakistan has about $15b in reserve and india probably around 150b (i am guessing). How they gonna pony up $1trillion. Just because u can google it** does not mean its true**!

[hanibal]

Hanibal,

Great post and thread. I always enjoy reading your posts, but I will disagree on one thing:

Russia. I believe its a part of our region and a big player. It's influence and geography in Asia is immense and everyone in the region has to live with it as well.

Yes you are right, i was wrong, RUSSIA is regional reality, both India and Pakistan should have friendly relation with Russia and China, this will make Asia as a strongest block ever..

[hanibal]

u did not get my point. What i am saying is chinese culture is xenophobic. As u mentioned it was built & rebuilt to keep foreigners out from bactrians (huns) to mongols (halaku), turks etc. Many of those were muslims, werent they? I do not need to google the $1trillion arms purchase, it is a bullshyte. Pakistan has about $15b in reserve and india probably around 150b (i am guessing). How they gonna pony up $1trillion. Just because u can google it** does not mean its true**!

huns, halaku and many turks were not muslims,

muslims invaded the eastern part of chinese region, as per my info the only muslim/turk ruler who ever decided to invade China was Taimor and he also died on his way to China, none other looked east.. they were more concentrated on India, Central Asia and Eastern Europe... anyway Chinese wall is their to protect them from the invaders.. it can be anyone...

Did i said that the both countries have bought it in one go... i am showing you the moon and you telling me that my finger is twisted.. no wonder we end up fighting

[VoiceOne]

huns, halaku and many turks were not muslims,

muslims invaded the eastern part of chinese region, as per my info the only muslim/turk ruler who ever decided to invade China was Taimor and he also died on his way to China, none other looked east.. they were more concentrated on India, Central Asia and Eastern Europe... anyway Chinese wall is their to protect them from the invaders.. it can be anyone...

Did i said that the both countries have bought it in one go... i am showing you the moon and you telling me that my finger is twisted.. no wonder we end up fighting

ok, china is pakistans true "all weather" friend (unlike amreeka,saudis etc.). Even the Prophet(PBUH) said go all the way to china to seek knowledge, even if u have to jump over the wall. happy? :)