Only Hizbullah can defend against an Israeli invasion say Lebanese people

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14208385/

Inside the New Hezbollah - Eye For an Eye

Hizbullah’s fighters were as elusive last week as they were deadly. Thousands of them were dug in around southern Lebanon, and yet encounters with the hundreds of journalists also in the area were rare, and furtive. Like Hussein, as he chose to call himself, who popped out of the rubble in the blasted town of Bint Jbeil, site of what Hizbullah is calling its Great Victory, to crow a little. He was in civvies, the only way the Hizbullah fighters appear in public, but the walkie-talkie under his loose shirt was a giveaway. The hillside nearby glittered with metal in the bright sun. Here and there lay shell casings, mortar tubes, mangled shrapnel from artillery and bombs. Thousands of cartridges, the gold ones from Israeli M-16s, the duller brown from Hizbullah’s AK-47s, all mixed together. This was asymmetrical warfare with a fearful symmetry. Hussein picked up a handful of empty brass. “Very close-range fighting,” he said, jingling them in his palm. “You can imagine what weapons we have and what weapons they have.” In an olive grove about five miles away, it wasn’t necessary to imagine. Under camo netting, half-covered with the broad-leafed branches of a fig tree, was a GMC truck with a rocket-launching platform, probably for the 122mm Katyusha, fired wildly into Israel. It was untouched, unlike its twin a football field away, which lay mangled in an Israeli counterstrike. There was no sign of Hizbullah fighters, though, and locals spoke of seeing little kids running like mad from the rocket batteries after they fired. In Khiam, a teenager on a motor scooter rolled through town, apparently minding his own business—except that the ear bud of the walkie-talkie hidden under his shirt identified him as one of Hizbullah’s many scouts. They were hard to find—until they wanted to be found. Hizbullah is proving to be something altogether new, an Arab guerrilla army with sophisticated weaponry and remarkable discipline. Its soldiers have the jihadist rhetoric of fighting to the death, but wear body armor and use satcoms to coordinate their attacks. Their tactics may be from Che, but their arms are from Iran, and not just AK-47s and RPGs. They’ve reportedly destroyed three of Israel’s advanced Merkava tanks with wire-guided missiles and powerful mines, crippled an Israeli warship with a surface-to-sea missile, sent up drones on reconnaissance missions, implanted listening devices along the border and set up their ambushes using night-vision goggles.

NEWSWEEK has learned from a source briefed in recent weeks by Israel’s top leaders and military brass that Hizbullah even managed to eavesdrop successfully on Israel’s military communications as its Lebanese incursion began. When Lt. Eli Kahn, commander of an elite Israeli parachutists outfit, turned a corner in the southern Lebanese village of Maroun al-Ras early in the month-old war, he came face to face with this new enemy. “He had sophisticated equipment like mine and looked more like a commando,” he recalled. Lieutenant Kahn ducked back around the corner and reached for a grenade, but before he could pull the pin, the Hizbullah fighter had tossed one around the corner himself. The Israeli picked it up and threw it back, just in time. “They didn’t retreat,” says Danny Yatom, a former director of the Mossad. “They continued to fight until the death.” That combination of modern lethality and Old World fanaticism has taken a deadly toll. By the end of last week, 45 Israeli soldiers had died, and as many as 250 Hizbullah fighters had perished. Thirty-three Israeli civilians had been killed in the rocket barrages, while more than 480 Lebanese had died. But Hizbullah was boasting of its success. As Israel continued to push its ground offensive, progress was painfully slow, one small Lebanese village at a time. Diplomacy was stalled, too, despite agreement on a U.N. ceasefire resolution expected to pass early this week. By Saturday the Israeli Defense Forces, with six brigades—close to 7,000 soldiers—could claim only to have subdued half a dozen villages, a long way from their goal of establishing a secure buffer zone, possibly as far north as the Litani River. Israel’s cabinet approved the ground campaign after its air war had failed to suppress Hizbullah’s fire. On Wednesday the Israelis declared they’d destroyed two thirds of Hizbullah’s missile arsenal, but on Thursday Hizbullah launched more than 200, with almost as many on Friday. Hizbullah leader Hassan Nasrallah vowed to strike Tel Aviv if Israel bombed Beirut again, and some thought he might be able to.

The whole calculus of this sort of warfare has changed, as even the Israelis gave grudging high marks to their opponents. The sort of weaponry Hizbullah is deploying is normally associated with a state, and states can be easily deterred by a superior military force like Israel’s. They have cities to protect, vital infrastructure. Hizbullah depends to some extent on supplies coming from Iran via Damascus, and last week Israel bombed the last roads from Syria into its neighbor. But the organization is believed to have laid in supplies for at least another month, and when it suits, the Hizbullah fighters can disappear into the population. “We live on onions and tomatoes,” said Hussein in Bint Jbeil, as he pulled one off a vine in an abandoned garden. Last week, when Sheik Ahmed Murad, a Hizbullah spokesman, showed up at the Tyre Hospital to rant against the civilian casualties Israel had inflicted, he was in his Shiite cleric’s turban and robes. After the press conference, Murad was escorted away by three bodyguards, then reappeared on the street in untucked shirt and slacks, apparently just another civilian. “Their strategy is a strategy of disappearance,” says one Israeli military official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was talking about operations. “They are well prepared for this kind of invasion. [But] we are much stronger than them. We can bring a much greater force than they can deal with.”

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Isreal lost 12 more soldiers in a rocket attack in the town of Kafr Giladi.

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That brings the total to around 60 Israeli soldiers dead according to my rough calculation, and about 100 people in total.

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Some excerpts from an article in Haaretz which explains how Israel has actually boosted Hezbollah’s support, united Lebanon around it and is the losing war as well.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/747340.html

After years of Military Intelligence warnings of Hezbollah’s missile arsenal and vaguely comforting news items about the mystery-shrouded Nautilus Katyusha-killer, we now know that we knew next to nothing. We are losing it because our prime minister, defense minister, and army chief, who are new at their jobs and have proven it at every opportunity, made outlandish…and boastful claims at the outset of the campaign, speaking of disarming Hezbollah, creating a new order in Lebanon, creating a reality in which the Lebanese people themselves would turn on the terrorists and diminish their influence. Even before we ran aground in the north, the words had a perversely familiar ring. They are the sound track of debacle. They are as dated and as current as a 16 mm version of Apocalypse Now screened in IDF forts in Lebanon in the '80s. We’ve gone after infrastructure, and in so doing, caused immeasurable suffering to as many as a million Lebanese, a thousand of them dead, thousands of them maimed, hundreds of thousands of them displaced. And there are still those, and they are many, who argue for More of the Same. Much more. For a start, “Erasing villages where Hezbollah operates.” But more of them same is likely to yield only more of the same failure.

**With thousands of thousands of soldiers already in Lebanon, seven brigades and counting, after 4,600 IAF bombing runs , 150 of them Sunday night alone, 80 to 90 percent of Hezbolah’s 2,500 fighters are alive and shooting. They are still capable of firing 200 rockets a day into Israel. We are losing the war, in part, because our actions have only gained sympathy for Hezbollah. Polls are now showing that nearly 90 percent of Lebanese - including many who had serious doubts about Hezbollah in the past, now support the organization’s war with Israel. **

The war has so elevated Hezbollah in the eyes of the world, that terrorism authority Prof. Robert A. Pape, writing in The New York Times, could without flinching compare the group to “the multidimensional American civil-rights movement of the 1960s.” Oddly, one of the lessons of the war is that the government, fearing a backlash over the deaths of soldiers, has directed an offensive which has relied on remote control warfare, effectively causing the needless deaths of hundreds of civilians in Lebanon, and, in the process, putting a million Israelis in range of Katyushas and Fajrs

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That is for 2 soldiers captured in Lebanon.... and hundreds of civilians dead.

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http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/15219765.htm

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**‘We are all united’

In a hospital in Tyre, Jonathan Steele meets Christian and Muslim Lebanese soldiers wounded by Israeli rockets **

Marwan K lies in a hospital bed, his fractured left leg bandaged and motionless. A professional soldier for 14 years, he was supposed to be a bulwark of Israel’s stated policy of getting the Lebanese army to replace Hizbullah’s guerrilla fighters and take control of south Lebanon. Yet now he is a victim of an Israeli rocket attack, with his negative view of Israel immeasurably strengthened. “They want to create a civil war in Lebanon again. They won’t succeed. We are all united,” he said.

In the first days of the war, Israeli air strikes hit a major Lebanese army base on the hills above Beirut, killing several soldiers. A radar station was demolished near the northern city of Tripoli. Twenty-nine Lebanese soldiers have been killed by Israel in this war so far, the vast majority in attacks in the north of the country. In the past few days, Lebanese army posts have been struck south of the Litani river, the very region which Israel wants as a buffer zone and from which it says Hizbullah must be excluded. Israeli officials believe the Lebanese army at best turns a blind eye to Hizbullah’s military operations and at worst supports them. The Lebanese government announced yesterday that it would call up extra troops and deploy 15,000 south of the Litani river. But it insisted that this could only happen once Israel accepted a ceasefire and withdrew from Lebanese territory - a demand which Israel is unlikely to agree to. In New York Dan Gillerman, Israel’s ambassador to the UN, reacted coolly. “I’m very sceptical about the possibility of the Lebanese army being able to do it,” he said. “They had their chance to do it for years when they had the power and the authority. To expect them to be able to do it now against the wishes of Hizbullah seems to me to be terribly naive.” Marwan K, who works in military intelligence, sustained his injuries on Sunday in an Israeli rocket attack on his post at Mansouri, on the coast seven miles north of the Israeli border. The post is in close touch with the headquarters of the UN peacekeeping mission at Naqoura, five miles to the south. In the hospital bed next to him, Hafiz M has more serious wounds. His head is in bandages, his left leg is broken and two of his left toes have been amputated.

Marwan is a Christian; Hafiz is a Muslim. Reconstructed after the civil war in the 1980s, the Lebanese army takes men from all parts of Lebanese society. This marks it out from the entirely Shia membership of Hizbullah’s fighting force. Eleven men were in the isolated coastal post at the time of the Israeli attack. One was killed and two wounded. Marwan got his injury as he tried to escape. “Three of us ran away. I jumped off a wall and broke my leg. I was screaming for help. I crawled along through the bushes. There was an Israeli drone overhead.” He was getting desperately thirsty and tried unsuccessfully to break into irrigation pipes in the fields. A Lebanese Red Cross ambulance found him after six hours and brought him to Tyre. A day earlier, another Lebanese soldier was killed and one was wounded as Israeli commandos pulled out of northern Tyre after a pre-dawn raid on a block of flats where suspected Hizbullah commanders were staying. In a firefight with the Hizbullah gunmen, two of the Israeli team sustained serious injuries. The Lebanese army has a base opposite the flats. Its casualties occurred as the Israelis left hurriedly with their own wounded men. The injured Lebanese soldier told reporters neither he nor any of his comrades shot at the Israelis, who appear to have opened fire in their haste to get their men to helicopters. During the same night-time commando raid, an Israeli rocket struck an elderly artillery piece parked at the entrance of another Lebanese army base on the coast road inside the city. The gun was disabled.

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Hezbollah - popular at home and abroad.

http://www.voanews.com/english/2006-08-11-voa32.cfm

**Hezbollah’s Resistance Boosts Its Standing in Middle East **

Hezbollah has proven to be more resilient in the face of Israeli attacks than expected during the fighting in southern Lebanon. Its continued resistance has boosted the militant group’s standing in the Middle East. Growing popular support for Hezbollah is at odds with how some moderate Arab governments view the group and this could have wider implications for the region once the current fighting is over. As the violence continues, images of Lebanese casualties play out across the Middle East. The longer the militant group is able to resist Israel’s attacks, the more prestige it gains – according to Haim Malka of the private Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington. “Hezbollah has definitely been able to play on its military successes, not only in this conflict but in the past, and has won widespread support in the Arab Street, on the popular level where many people are very angry and frustrated at their own leaders and regimes for not taking any action.”

Hezbollah was founded in 1982 in response to the Israeli invasion of Lebanon. It acts as a state-within-a-state in Lebanon. It opposes the West and seeks to create a Muslim fundamentalist state. Its terrorist attacks, including the 1983 Beirut bombing that killed more than 240 American marines, have earned it a place on the U.S. list of terrorist groups. Yet Hezbollah has elected representatives in Lebanon’s parliament and performs charitable works that have won it praise from many Lebanese Shi’ites. Hezbollah’s military wing is backed by Iran with arms and training. It has proven surprisingly tenacious in the face of Israel’s attacks. Mr. Malka says they are prepared. “They’re well-equipped, they’re mature fighters. They’ve had a lot of battlefield experience against the Israelis. Their infrastructure militarily is very deeply rooted within Lebanon and southern Lebanon, and they also feel they are fighting for a cause.”

Moderate Arab leaders such as those of Egypt and Jordan initially blamed Hezbollah for starting the conflict with Israel. But this has proved to be an unpopular position, says former U.S. diplomat David Newton. “Anything that involves Arabs fighting Israelis and inflames public opinion, puts these leaders in a weaker position and in a dilemma. So they now have to bend and sympathize much more with Hezbollah.” Yet despite support for Hezbollah in the region, Newton says it is unlikely Washington will ever deal directly with Hezbollah. Mr. Newton says, "I think it would be very difficult to deal directly with Hezbollah but, of course, they could deal more easily with Syria. But to deal with Hezbollah would be very difficult because of the well-documented, terrible acts of terrorism directly against us. Hezbollah continues to fire rockets at Israel and the conflict shows no sign of ending soon. Yet analyst Haim Malka says once the fighting is over, questions will be raised. “Hezbollah has been able to manipulate popular sentiment throughout the Arab world because it is the only Arab army to stand up to Israel. But at the end of the day they have to show something a little more tangible,” says Malka. “They have to achieve more tangible gains for the Lebanese. It is the Lebanese people that are suffering the consequences of this war and it is the Lebanese people that have to be convinced by Hezbollah that their sacrifices have been worth the price.” It has been a high price for the Lebanese. And for the Israelis. But as long as Hezbollah continues to kill Israeli soldiers and terrorize Israeli civilians, the militant group may believe it is achieving its ends.

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And I am always glad to see you have to post news article w/o comment as it demonstrates that one can only say "shias are great, Iran is great, Hezbollah is great and Israel is humiliated" so many times before it becomes tired and overplayed. :)

I suppose you feel these articles make the same point. If others had the same myopic viewpoints they could easily post just as many articles with the opposing point of view, but most put more thought into their posts instead of regurgitating other people's ideas.

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I am glad you are finally getting it. :slight_smile:

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Excellent point! :)