SlaveofAllah, this is not a inter-religion thing.. Islam is my religion too.. :)
Matrubhoomi, yup.. I'm definitely a rebel against the talibani-type mullahs spreading their nonsense everywhere curropting and hijacking Islam..
'Bakwaas'... I said.. bcoz the discussion went from 70000 ORR 700000 ppl entering, to numbr of prophets, to number of followers, to blah blah blah.. come on !!!! there can't be a limit to the numbr of ppl entering jannat.. Allah will decide each and every case individually... Jannat cannot have a 'maximum capacity'.. hence all this speculation is nothing but BAKWAAS !
ASA, I did not know you were a muslim.
Bro, do you believe in Predestination or Qadr or what Allah SWT has decreed will come to pass. I think you did not follow the thread properly. SOA had already pointed out that this was for the first 70000 or 700000 who will enter unconditionally. This is not a limit.
Please don't get emotional when you hear things like these, be calm and analyze what it is you are denying. At one hand you know Allah SWT has already decreed things that will come to pass e.g. when you die, when the appointed day is, descriptions of certain tribulations etc. If you believe in these things to come and pass then why is it not possible for Allah SWT to already have decreed this number, he is the knower of the unseen and future but we are not.
Now on a personal basis I do admit I have not found an explanation about predestination that satisfies my intellect so far, so don't ask me questions about that. My above explanation stems from the fact that I do believe in predestination though.
SlaveofAllah, this is not a inter-religion thing.. Islam is my religion too.. :)
Matrubhoomi, yup.. I'm definitely a rebel against the talibani-type mullahs spreading their nonsense everywhere curropting and hijacking Islam..
'Bakwaas'... I said.. bcoz the discussion went from 70000 ORR 700000 ppl entering, to numbr of prophets, to number of followers, to blah blah blah.. come on !!!! there can't be a limit to the numbr of ppl entering jannat.. Allah will decide each and every case individually... Jannat cannot have a 'maximum capacity'.. hence all this speculation is nothing but BAKWAAS !
If there is one God, as is the main theme of Islam, then Allah=God=Bhagwan. Or does God insist he be referred to in Arabic?
Unfortunately i cant ask this to God, if given a chance i will sure do it.
Well Seminole if you know the same God revealed Torah and the Injeel, i hope in Hebrew it was Elah or Elohim as in Jesus calls out God so if you can think logically the answer is no for sure.
But if you still insist i will surely try my best for your sake:D
I come from a mixed Muslim-Hindu family.. and I practice both religions to a certain extent.. Yeah my signature is damn right ! The different names are just because the belief systems came up at diffferent times in history, in different cultures having different languages.. they all point to the same universal supreme spirit..
Unfortunately i cant ask this to God, if given a chance i will sure do it.
Well Seminole if you know the same God revealed Torah and the Injeel, i hope in Hebrew it was Elah or Elohim as in Jesus calls out God so if you can think logically the answer is no for sure.
But if you still insist i will surely try my best for your sake:D
Oh c'mon. Islam has the answer to everything. Is it necessary to refer to God in Arabic only or not? Surely there is a an opinion of a hadith as reported by someone that has been verified that has the proper Islamic answer to this.
And btw, Jesus didn't speak English so he never called out "God".
USResident, the title of this thread is "ONLY 70000 or 700000...." Only?? The part about "70000/700000 given entry withotu any questions" was just a speculation by SlaveofAllah, without any proper reference...
thats why i said its prolly bakwaas :D no offence meant.. none taken..
Oh c'mon. Islam has the answer to everything. Is it necessary to refer to God in Arabic only or not? Surely there is a an opinion of a hadith as reported by someone that has been verified that has the proper Islamic answer to this.
And btw, Jesus didn't speak English so he never called out "God".
To Allah belongs the Most Beautiful Names
The Glorious Qur’an says in Surah Isra chapter 17 verse 110
"Say: ‘Call upon Allah, or call upon Rahman: by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well): for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names.‘"
[Al-Qur’an 17:110]
You can call Allah by any name, but it should be a beautiful name,should not conjure up a mental picture, and should have qualities that only Allah possesses.
Oh c'mon. Islam has the answer to everything. Is it necessary to refer to God in Arabic only or not? Surely there is a an opinion of a hadith as reported by someone that has been verified that has the proper Islamic answer to this.
And btw, Jesus didn't speak English so he never called out "God".
I have mentioned in Hebrew my friend jesus did not know english, thats why i wrote in Hebrew i think you missed that out. Now other than that i dont wotn to argue as its baseless this is with respect to your first post in this thread.
Sorry, I did missed that out. But Jesus spoke Aramaic. Did you missed that out?
But I won't argue with you as its baseless with respect to your post in this thread where you thought it was funny for someone posting Allah=God=Bhagwan to be declared Hindu, Christian and Muslim.
Sorry, I did missed that out. But Jesus spoke Aramaic. Did you missed that out?
But I won't argue with you as its baseless with respect to your post in this thread where you thought it was funny for someone posting Allah=God=Bhagwan to be declared Hindu, Christian and Muslim.
I dont understand when i told my Christian once Jesus spoke Aramaic he disagreed with it coz i heard this form a notable Muslim scholar that hespoke Aramaic, and in the argument people went on to say the Bible is in hebrew, since God sends someone who can understand there own language. Now what shud i do, any ways leaving that apart do agree in Torah, God is called Elah that should suffice you.
Now since you have told its Aramaic i have gotta ask him again, i will do that well that should be fine and answers ur first questin that u can call Allaah in different language best eg is the Ten Commandments in Hebrew any more doubts, should be ok wiht u.
Seminole as usual i always say to you, your point makes no sense and its more argumentative, and attitude and winning rather then to come to a common point. My reply for your first post would suffice me, but you acted exactly as i thought, because you came into to this thread not to learn but argue coz if you had come to learn my reply was enough.
Well, take care and have some fun and let me know wheter you are satisfied or not.
I had read the hadith, and heard it in a lecture where Book of Tawheed by Mohammed ibn Abdul Wahhab in the book of Ruqyah and then this is the hadith of Bukhari, finally got the reference, man you really made me think
Volume 7, Book 71
606:
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
Allah's Apostle said, 'Nations were displayed before me; one or two prophets would pass by along with a few followers. A prophet would pass by accompanied by nobody. Then a big crowd of people passed in front of me and I asked, Who are they Are they my followers?" It was said, 'No. It is Moses and his followers It was said to me, 'Look at the horizon.'' Behold! There was a multitude of people filling the horizon. Then it was said to me, 'Look there and there about the stretching sky! Behold! There was a multitude filling the horizon,' It was said to me,** 'This is your nation out of whom seventy thousand shall enter Paradise without reckoning*.' "Then the Prophet entered his house without telling his companions who they (the 70,000) were*. So the people started talking about the issue and said, "It is we who have believed in Allah and followed His Apostle; therefore those people are either ourselves or our children who are born m the Islamic era, for we were born in the Pre-lslamic Period of Ignorance.'' When the Prophet heard of that, he came out and said. "Those people are those who do not treat themselves with Ruqya, nor do they believe in bad or good omen (from birds etc.) nor do they get themselves branded (Cauterized). but they put their trust (only) in their Lord " On that 'Ukasha bin Muhsin said. "Am I one of them, O Allah's Apostle?' The Prophet said, "Yes." Then another person got up and said, "Am I one of them?" The Prophet said, 'Ukasha has anticipated you."
Ruqyah exactly means healing through medicine, basically its healing and one of the best form of submitting to Allaah was healing could be done with Quranic verses, as written in the Quran its a book of shifa(curing) also.
There is hadith regarding this too. But most of the sahabas performed Ruqyah on there own proves there submission to Allaah.
Just to clarify, when Islam refers to a "muslim" it doesn't necessarily just mean a person who follows Prophet Muhammed's Islam. It is also a term usually inclusive of followers of God who came before Prophet Muhammed's time. Usually, "muslim" is just a term used to refer to a "follower of God". Don't confuse with the current political definition of the word.
Not that I buy into this hadith. I have no idea where it came from, and I've never heard of such a thing.
I had read the hadith, and heard it in a lecture where Book of Tawheed by Mohammed ibn Abdul Wahhab in the book of Ruqyah and then this is the hadith of Bukhari, finally got the reference, man you really made me think
Volume 7, Book 71
606:
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
Allah's Apostle said, 'Nations were displayed before me; one or two prophets would pass by along with a few followers. A prophet would pass by accompanied by nobody. Then a big crowd of people passed in front of me and I asked, Who are they Are they my followers?" It was said, 'No. It is Moses and his followers It was said to me, 'Look at the horizon.'' Behold! There was a multitude of people filling the horizon. Then it was said to me, 'Look there and there about the stretching sky! Behold! There was a multitude filling the horizon,' It was said to me,** 'This is your nation out of whom seventy thousand shall enter Paradise without reckoning*.' "Then the Prophet entered his house without telling his companions who they (the 70,000) were*. So the people started talking about the issue and said, "It is we who have believed in Allah and followed His Apostle; therefore those people are either ourselves or our children who are born m the Islamic era, for we were born in the Pre-lslamic Period of Ignorance.'' When the Prophet heard of that, he came out and said. "Those people are those who do not treat themselves with Ruqya, nor do they believe in bad or good omen (from birds etc.) nor do they get themselves branded (Cauterized). but they put their trust (only) in their Lord " On that 'Ukasha bin Muhsin said. "Am I one of them, O Allah's Apostle?' The Prophet said, "Yes." Then another person got up and said, "Am I one of them?" The Prophet said, 'Ukasha has anticipated you."
Ruqyah exactly means healing through medicine, basically its healing and one of the best form of submitting to Allaah was healing could be done with Quranic verses, as written in the Quran its a book of shifa(curing) also.
There is hadith regarding this too. But most of the sahabas performed Ruqyah on there own proves there submission to Allaah.
Now since you have told its Aramaic i have gotta ask him again, i will do that well that should be fine and answers ur first questin that u can call Allaah in different language best eg is the Ten Commandments in Hebrew any more doubts, should be ok wiht u.
If you believe you can call God in any language, then why did you find it amusing that someone says a person is Muslim and Hindu and Christian just because they post Allah=God=Bhagwan? So don't lecture me on coming to this thread to not learn.
I am curious as to the fixation on the usage of "Allah" in place of "God" when the rest of the communication is in English. It appears that even the literalist view is that it is not necessary to do so, yet everyone does.
If you believe you can call God in any language, then why did you find it amusing that someone says a person is Muslim and Hindu and Christian just because they post Allah=God=Bhagwan? So don't lecture me on coming to this thread to not learn.
I am curious as to the fixation on the usage of "Allah" in place of "God" when the rest of the communication is in English. It appears that even the literalist view is that it is not necessary to do so, yet everyone does.
Seminole i did not find amusing because of Allah=God=Bhagwan. NOw Vedic Intellect mentioned that he is a Muslim that is by default one who believes in Allaah.
What made me laugh was
SSINGH asked Vedic Intellect, are you a chrisitian and hindu also implying the signature God and Bhagwan. I was never amused about Allah=God=Bhagwan but for muslim, christian and hindu.:D
I think you got it wrong there, and we are arguing on something other than that. Well my mistake if i could not comprehend.
Secondly wrt literalist view, i think it there own perception. For eg, if you grab a Quran translated in French for Allaah its mentioned as Dieu, correct me if i am wrong i just manage to read see it once long time ago.
