these days that during any discussion they immediately give you a “ta’na” (I don’t know the word in English) to “go and blow yourself up”.
I do understand that it is not good to blow oneself up. But history shows that at times it was part of the military strategy to save the country. Like in Pak-India war 1965 Pakistan soldiers in Lahore knew that Indian Tanks are too much and if they want to save Lahore they need to do something to blow the tanks, so they tied bombs to themselves and moved under the tanks to make sure that the bomb explodes at the right place.
Now, you would find such cases only in places where the foreigners have invaded and attacked the country. Did you hear much about self exploding in Afghanistan and Pakistan before USA attack on Afghanistan ?
I know that some of them have become blind in Pak and doing it for (apparently) no useful reason but in the past Muslims weren’t like this because their families were not destroyed by foreign forces. Though I still don’t know what to say about such people, but there are people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Kashmir…etc. who have got blind to take revenge after their sisters, daughters, mothers and wives were “iltreated” by the foreign military forces.** I even saw a person on TV who mentioned that his daughter was pregnant when in Gujrat in 2002 the extremists entered their house cut her to take out of her womb the 8 months old baby, then cooked the baby in front of her, then forced her to eat it. They they raped her. After that they pissed on her and then cut her into pieces and put fire on her body parts. Then he and his children said while facing the camera. We were not terrorists before, but we would become terrorist now. We would do anything to take our revenge, do whatever you want to stop us. The Indian army and police were watching when those extremists burnt our brothers and raped our sisters.**
We all know from different incidents that during 1947 migration a lot of Muslim women jumped into the wells to kill themselves before the Sikhs could place their hands on their honor and dignity, as there was no other option available to them after their husbands were killed. So it seems that behind such actions there definitely is someone who has hurt them so much that they have to do something to save their own dignity and that of their family.
P.s.I am not saying who is right and who is wrong, but presenting two sides of the story. We often are only told one side of the story. Do you ever wonder what would be going through the mind of a person who once loved his life and family suddenly got blind ???
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first of all, you have to be better at arguign with such people, when it resorts to things like 'go blow yourself up' there are responses that can be given to shut em up, why dont you justtell em "blow me"
when a suicide bomber blows up innocent people how exactly is he getting 'revenge'?
some sort of vigilante justice going after perps of some crime is not what always happens, whether it is terrorists blowing up buses full of people in Israel or masajid of shia in Pakistan.
Sadly what appears to be the case is that majority of the people are misguided, brainwashed and mere tools of extremists.
Re: One thing I have noticed among "some" non-muslims
you could substitute "now we will be terrorist" with "now we will be child rapist" or "now we will steal goats" and not change the fairness of the story. you cannot punish one person for the crimes of another, its simple, no matter how bad your own circumstances are.
Re: One thing I have noticed among "some" non-muslims
Don't compare fighting and dying for one's nation to suicide bombings undertaken as an expression of religious hatred. Most of these suicide bombers would never have gone that path but for getting brainwashed at their local mosque by some speech maker pretending to be the pious cleric. These guys think they're performing a service to Allah
Re: One thing I have noticed among "some" non-muslims
Submission,
I'd be very interested to know the details of where you are getting this info from = extremist taking baby out of womb, making mother eat it, then rape her, cut her into pieces and burn her. Please provide reference.
Re: One thing I have noticed among "some" non-muslims
^ Brother, after 2002 incidents that happened in Gujrat, a friend of mine sent me a documentary through e-mail. I don't exactly remember which channel it was but it was a very detailed documentary. In that they showed reporters who went into the city and secretly made video of the violence. Then they showed people running from their houses. After that the reporters were interviewing the effected people. A lot of burnt bodies could be seen. Few of the people seemed to have lost their concious, and were very unhappy that the army and police didn't do anything to stop them. It was such a horrible video thatI immediately deleted it. But anyone who watch it could have felt that it was in Gujrat as the huge number of burnt bodies and the surroundings were the same as were shown on CNN and BBC. The words I mentioned in my previous post (that you are questioning) I heard exactly these words from an old man among the people who were being interviewed.
At the end of the documentary they showed a khutba of the Imam of local masjid. I would share with you the words of his speech as much as I remember. It was in urdu.
" Mujhey hinduon se koi gila shikwa nahin hai. Mujhey to aye Musalmaan tumhari begherti se gila hai. Mujhey yeh kehtey hoey sharam ati hai, ke musalman tu us ummat ka hissa hai jis ney Hazrat Abu-bakr (r.a), Hazrat Umar (r.a),......ko janam diya. Un key dor mey kis ghair muslim ne kisi musalmaan behen ki taraf aankh uthaney ki himmat nahin ki, aur tumhari ankhon ke samney itna sub kuch ho gya. Yeh hindu kis khet ki mooli tha, jis ney aaj humari behnoon ki izzat pe haath dala. Tum muslamanon ne to khud hinduon ko apney ghar mey jaga di hai, lata mangesh or doosrey singers to tumharay dil mein hein, tum kahan ghairat khao gey in batoon sey........"
May Allah forgive me if I said anything wrong anywhere, but this is what I remember from the whole documentry.
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omg..itz pathetic..theres noway u can justify that..no matter wht happened to them in the past..y would u take revenge from innocent people who have nothing to do with ur sufferings huh..pathetic!..goddamn terrorists..hate em!
Don't compare fighting and dying for one's nation to suicide bombings undertaken as an expression of religious hatred. Most of these suicide bombers would never have gone that path but for getting brainwashed at their local mosque by some speech maker pretending to be the pious cleric. These guys think they're performing a service to Allah
I don't believe anyone can turn to suicide bomber just by listening to a speech at local mosque, it takes some extended time for brainwashing.
Re: One thing I have noticed among "some" non-muslims
this kind of nonsense should not even phase anyone. i find it impossibly hard to believe that anyone could make anybody do this. likewise, those who feel that they can exploit muslims by saying all this, must be corrected for their narrow beliefs and an utter state of ignorance.
^ Brother, after 2002 incidents that happened in Gujrat, a friend of mine sent me a documentary through e-mail. I don't exactly remember which channel it was but it was a very detailed documentary. In that they showed reporters who went into the city and secretly made video of the violence. Then they showed people running from their houses. After that the reporters were interviewing the effected people. A lot of burnt bodies could be seen. Few of the people seemed to have lost their concious, and were very unhappy that the army and police didn't do anything to stop them. It was such a horrible video thatI immediately deleted it. But anyone who watch it could have felt that it was in Gujrat as the huge number of burnt bodies and the surroundings were the same as were shown on CNN and BBC. The words I mentioned in my previous post (that you are questioning) I heard exactly these words from an old man among the people who were being interviewed.
At the end of the documentary they showed a khutba of the Imam of local masjid. I would share with you the words of his speech as much as I remember. It was in urdu.
" Mujhey hinduon se koi gila shikwa nahin hai. Mujhey to aye Musalmaan tumhari begherti se gila hai. Mujhey yeh kehtey hoey sharam ati hai, ke musalman tu us ummat ka hissa hai jis ney Hazrat Abu-bakr (r.a), Hazrat Umar (r.a),......ko janam diya. Un key dor mey kis ghair muslim ne kisi musalmaan behen ki taraf aankh uthaney ki himmat nahin ki, aur tumhari ankhon ke samney itna sub kuch ho gya. Yeh hindu kis khet ki mooli tha, jis ney aaj humari behnoon ki izzat pe haath dala. Tum muslamanon ne to khud hinduon ko apney ghar mey jaga di hai, lata mangesh or doosrey singers to tumharay dil mein hein, tum kahan ghairat khao gey in batoon sey........"
May Allah forgive me if I said anything wrong anywhere, but this is what I remember from the whole documentry.
I'm sorry but I will not believe any of this stuff until you show me this documentary where the extremist hindus are slaughtering, raping, pissing on and burning the muslim girl. It seems like exaggerated stuff to manipulate muslims. I'm not saying stuff didn't happen, it definitely did and I hope those extremists die! but all this burning/raping/pissing is exaggeration by muslim extremists to recruit jihadis.
nop..i wuz referrin to the comparison he drew btw the two..those afghani taliban n gujrati terrorists or whteva..in noway it justifies all those suicide bombings n terrorism..it wuz soo naive ov u..